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Elaine, just read your post about immigration. If people want to dig up other countries they are familiar with I can dig up the US requirements for temporary and permanent stays here.

@lillymunster oh yes please I have asked Hjortur for Iceland and I will look up ours

@lillymunster he has caused so much hurt

I read the parts of the article Edano posted. He has no compassion for people.

@M.I.A. Strange things happen. The flashes start up whenever the radiation gets really high, like after the reactors start spewing steam.

@elainekirk They plowed that area over early on. They claimed it was to remove debris and to cover over fuel bits. There is a building crack right in line with where the odd dip in the ground is. They had enough excuses to cover over the area as part of dealing with #4 but I still think there is a very good chance there is a crack through the reactor building line up.

back for a good while

@ lilly and @ Edano, during my research on the different models used for predicting long term biological damage caused by ionizing radiation I have the following over view for each model and then I will give my thoughts. I am on business travel today and work next week but I will have the free time to
complete the short write up on my findings.

@Will thank you Will that will be helpful the people need to know the options and it is better that they have them all here and now so they can work together on the options available to them, too many people holding out on dreams doesnt ,unfortunately, help community spirit :(

@Edano didn't know that Edano

The linear no-threshold model (LNT) is a method for predicting the long term, biological damage caused by ionizing radiation and is based on the assumption that the risk is directly proportional to the dose at all dose levels. In other words, the sum of several very small exposures have the same effect as one larger exposure. The LNT model therefore predicts higher risks than either the threshold model, which assumes that very small exposures are negligible, or the radiation hormesis model, which predicts the least risk by assuming that radiation at very small doses can be beneficial. Because the current data is inconclusive, scientists disagree on which method should be used (taken from wiki). Before the nuclear industry existed the only health concerns were based more around natural occurring radiation and our bodies had a mechanism to protect us by the release of melatonin for example. Higher levels of radiation were found to exist in areas where radioactive elements existed naturally and, some have proven to be fatal. As the nuclear industry started and the science of ionizing radiation damage matured, the industry had to develop guidelines which could be used to set limits. Unfortunately those limits were established on the basis of probabilities of getting cancers etc to the body due to the exposures. Acute and Chronic doses were established and the devastation caused by the bombing in Japan were used to form some basis that has had application through the years.

Some areas near Fukushima plant to remain no-go zones: gov't sources

TOKYO, Aug. 21, Kyodo

The government has decided to keep certain areas showing high levels of radiation around the radiation-leaking Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant as no-go zones even after the damaged complex is brought to a cold shutdown, government sources said Sunday.

Areas within 20 kilometers of the plant that will not see the lifting of the no-go zone designation will be determined after results of radiation monitoring tests are examined in the future, the sources said, adding it is unavoidable some areas will remain no-go zones for a long time.

The government will consider purchasing those long-term restricted areas and owning them, the sources said.
english.kyodonews.jp

Companies that hire workers who are untrained and uneducated for working in areas where there exists the risk of receiving radiation exposure and dose should be fined if those workers are found to be unfamiliar with their work and the safety, protective clothing and familiarization. The industry through the world hires these workers "sometimes referred to as Road Whores", some of which have experience and are trained, but, many of which are labor type workers doing the seemingly least important but necessary tasks. Once they have reached the limits (which are elevated in most all cases to the maximum levels allowable) they are let go with no compensation. In my opinion a scale should be established such that the industry has to compensate the workers proportionate to their dose and in the event of receiving a dose equivalent to a life time dose they should be compensated for life.

@ Edano, good seeing you in

@dean have you asked your colleagues about the corium crust seismic thing ?

today I travel

I am of the opinion @ Edano that the majority of analyses assume, in general, that the corium moves due to it's weight and melting/burning action acted on the structures but eventually cools, slows, and stabilizes. They have not considered what can happen to that corium when subjected to mild to intense seismic events.

we know quite exactly the cellular and subcellular effects of high energy radiation, and the effects are always destructive. low dose radiation is as destructive as high dose radiation, but fewer cells are affected. there is no way that this could "improve" the cell. you can compare it to the exposure to fire, fire always burns you, and it never makes any benefit to you, even if it is a very small fire.

@dean yes, exactly.

@ lilly once time I asked a nuclear plant worker, who was an engineer, how do you find work out there in the nuclear industry? He said.. oh it's simple just go to www.roadwhore.com