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  • by Edano 9/19/2011 10:46:02 AM

  • @Edano Did not see it on Focus . :-0
    by Majj 9/19/2011 10:47:18 AM

  • Kan reveals Tokyo nuclear evacuation plans

    Tokyo correspondent

    Updated September 19, 2011 09:49:05

    Japan's former prime minister Naoto Kan has revealed he contemplated evacuating as many as 30 million people from Tokyo and surrounding areas during the Fukushima nuclear disaster.

    Speaking to Japan's Kyodo News, Mr Kan, who was prime minister during the nuclear crisis, said evacuations on such a scale may have led to Japan being unable to function.

    Mr Kan has since resigned from the prime ministership and can now speak more openly about the crisis.

    He said he asked experts for "simulations of the worst case scenario" at the Fukushima nuclear plant.

    He said the experts explained that people living 200 to 250 kilometres from the plant would have to be evacuated.

    He said he contemplated the chaos that would have ensued if such a measure had been taken.

    ''It was a crucial moment when I wasn't sure whether Japan could continue to function as a state,'' he said.

    ''I felt that the risk was at its highest during the first 10 days [after the disaster struck].''

    Mr Kan also said there were no effective safeguards in place because ''we had never foreseen a situation in which a quake, tsunami and a nuclear plant accident would occur at the same time."

    He also delivered a less-than-flattering assessment of TEPCO, the operator of the Fukushima nuclear plant.

    The former primer minister accuses the company of wanting to abandon the stricken nuclear plant at the height of the crisis and let its workers walk offsite for the reactors to bubble away.

    Mr Kan says such a situation was "impossible" and he rejected TEPCO's request.

    He also accused the firm of failing to communicate properly with both him and its head office.

    Mr Kan says TEPCO could not explain to him what was happening with the venting process at Fukushima to release radioactive steam.

    ''Even TEPCO officials [who were with me] at the prime minister's office were unable to fully explain why they were not doing the venting so I wasn't sure whether there was good communication between the TEPCO head office and the Fukushima plant,'' he said.
    www.abc.net.au
    by Edano 9/19/2011 10:49:56 AM

  • Damaged nuke plant may lose insurance
    News Date: 19th September 2011


    Japanese insurers are considering canceling coverage of the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant, which was heavily damaged by this year's earthquake and tsunami.

    The insurance contract with Tokyo Electric Power Co. comes up for renewal in January, the Asahi Shimbun reported. If the plant's insurance is canceled, it would technically be operating illegally.

    "The insurance contracts are targeted at nuclear reactors that are operating normally and are not leaking out radioactive substances," one industry executive said. "It will be difficult to renew the contract under the current circumstances."

    Japan's Law on Compensation for Nuclear Damage provides for government payment from nuclear disasters caused by earthquakes, tsunamis and other natural forces. The Japan Atomic Energy Insurance Pool, which includes 23 major insurers, provides coverage for other nuclear accidents.

    Tepco plans to decommission four of the six reactors at Fukushima No. 1 and has announced no decision on the other two. The decommissioning is likely to take decades.

    Source: GNA www.businessghana.com
    by Edano 9/19/2011 10:53:30 AM

  • by Edano 9/19/2011 10:56:34 AM

  • www.seattlepi.com Thousands march against nuclear power in Tokyo longer article
    by Edano 9/19/2011 10:59:48 AM

  • whaling protest in japan

    by Edano via Spaciousplanet 9/19/2011 11:01:30 AM

  • by Edano via Images.thenews.pk 9/19/2011 11:04:49 AM

  • Japanese nuclear energy experts discuss Fukushima

    Japanese experts on nuclear energy are discussing ways to contain the nuclear accident in Fukushima at their first conference since the accident.

    The Atomic Energy Society of Japan started a 4-day conference in Kitakyushu City, southwestern Japan, on Monday.

    Society president and University of Tokyo Professor Satoru Tanaka said in an opening address that the society finds it extremely regrettable that the accident in Fukushima has had such a huge impact on the people of Japan and caused them such great worry.

    Professor Hisashi Ninokata of Tokyo Institute of Technology, who leads a subcommittee investigating the accident, said even experts had had too much confidence in the safety of Japan's nuclear power generation. He said the society should face the accident squarely and work hard to contain it.

    During the morning session, Japanese nuclear experts discussed how to contain the Fukushima accident and help affected areas recover.

    About 7,000 atomic energy experts at universities, research institutes, and power companies are members of the Atomic Energy Society of Japan. The society postponed its annual conference after the accident in Fukushima.

    Monday, September 19, 2011 13:42 +0900 (JST)
    www3.nhk.or.jp
    by Edano 9/19/2011 11:32:24 AM

  • @lillymunster & hello to all
    It would be nice if you could add the direct link on SimplyInfo as well, as this Greenpeace report is also available freely without the need of forced fakebook-memberchip:

    GreenPeace Fukushima Seafood Results
    www.greenpeace.org
    by Vivre 9/19/2011 11:33:19 AM

  • Fukushima evacuees drive to homes in no-go zone

    Some evacuees from the no-entry zone around the damaged Fukushima nuclear plant have been allowed to briefly visit their homes in private vehicles.

    Residents of Kawauchi Village have begun driving home to retrieve some of the belongings they left behind during the evacuation in March.

    Two hundred and 25 people from 90 households are scheduled to visit their homes on Monday.

    This is the second chance for evacuees to briefly go home. Only two people per household were allowed to go the first time, and they were taken on buses. This time, evacuees can use their own vehicles and can take as many people as the vehicles can carry.

    Some early arrivers were seen reporting at a village facility. The village is providing them with two-way radios for emergency communication.

    A 66-year-old man returned with his wife from Chiba Prefecture near Tokyo. He said he had borrowed a truck from an acquaintance so he could get his bed.

    The vehicles will be tested for radioactive contamination when they come out of the no-go zone. They will be decontaminated if the amount of radioactive substances exceeds new and stricter limits.

    Home visits in private vehicles are due to continue until late November.

    Kawauchi Village Mayor Yuko Endo said it is sad that people have to go through tests and procedures just to go back to their own homes.

    Monday, September 19, 2011 12:44 +0900 (JST)
    www3.nhk.or.jp
    by Edano 9/19/2011 11:34:56 AM

  • Fukushima-made firework show canceled due to citizens' radiation fear

    NAGOYA, Sept. 19, Kyodo english.kyodonews.jp
    by Edano 9/19/2011 11:38:00 AM

  • english.kyodonews.jp

    60,000 gather in Tokyo to protest against nuclear power generation

    TOKYO, Sept. 19, Kyodo english.kyodonews.jp

    Antinuclear power gathering in Tokyo

    Photo taken from a Kyodo News helicopter shows people attending an antinuclear power protest rally at Meiji Park in Tokyo on Sept. 19, 2011. Notable speakers at the event included Nobel Prize winning writer Kenzaburo Oe. (Kyodo) english.kyodonews.jp

    by Edano via English.kyodonews.jp 9/19/2011 11:39:46 AM

  • i hope they go on moving.
    by Edano 9/19/2011 11:43:04 AM

  • no reports of protesters on nhk...
    by Edano 9/19/2011 11:44:44 AM

  • Morning (afternoon-evening)
    by lillymunster 9/19/2011 11:53:53 AM

  • @lillymunster lilly, i think you may be right with your theory about corium in #2 torus. there are signs.
    by Edano 9/19/2011 11:57:33 AM

  • @Edano ooh really? What did you find?
    by lillymunster 9/19/2011 11:58:13 AM

  • by Edano via Houseoffoust 9/19/2011 11:58:30 AM

  • by Edano via Houseoffoust 9/19/2011 11:58:30 AM

  • look at the 3 torus temps and radiation. they are synchronously rising. very synchrone.
    by Edano 9/19/2011 11:59:18 AM

  • s/c pool water a, s/c pool water b and suppression chamber gas
    by Edano 9/19/2011 12:00:34 PM

  • @Edano Almost identical changes. I had to look twice, thought I had the radiation chart open twice by mistake.
    by lillymunster 9/19/2011 12:00:51 PM

  • this is strong evidence for corium in torus.
    by Edano 9/19/2011 12:02:01 PM

  • @Edano the sensors say there is still water at 40-50c range?
    by lillymunster 9/19/2011 12:02:46 PM

  • they don't indicate that there is water. normally there is water.
    by Edano 9/19/2011 12:04:32 PM

  • @Edano if there is water and corium is dropping in there should be steam somewhere. Or the sensors are in a part of the torus where the corium is not? They are still on the increase.
    by lillymunster 9/19/2011 12:05:47 PM

  • @lillymunster we don't know. there should be steam and the sensors can be distant from corium.
    by Edano 9/19/2011 12:07:10 PM

  • they should have a bunch of sensors around the torus, so that we would know better.
    by Edano 9/19/2011 12:08:23 PM

  • @Edano Any idea how part of the core would end up inside the torus?
    by Pedro Jesus 9/19/2011 12:08:39 PM

  • the rising began around sept 10.
    by Edano 9/19/2011 12:08:41 PM

  • by Ian 9/19/2011 12:09:08 PM

  • @Pedro Jesus this is lilly's turn :)
    by Edano 9/19/2011 12:09:18 PM

  • @lillymunster, check out the diagram of the reactor at 0:47 of that video I just posted.
    by Ian 9/19/2011 12:09:43 PM

  • by Edano via Houseoffoust 9/19/2011 12:10:16 PM

  • @Edano @Lilly I see, interesting theory. Any comments from our experts as to if that is physically possible? The significance of that possibility is alarming regarding NPPs designs.
    by Pedro Jesus 9/19/2011 12:14:25 PM

  • @Pedro Jesus personally, i am (was) sceptical about it, but when i see the synchrone data, i admit the possibility.
    by Edano 9/19/2011 12:15:55 PM

  • @Pedro Jesus the drawing (corium not to scale :-) ) there is a flaw in the design. the corium could easily make it to that torus vent pipe that sits at the floor of the drywell. We looked at Chernobyl corium movement. That kind of lateral movement was found in chernobyl. If it hits that vent pipe it is only steel of 4mm total thickness. It could burn through or make it down the pipe.
    by lillymunster 9/19/2011 12:16:44 PM

  • @Pedro Jesus more pictures and notes on the corium movement here www.houseoffoust.com
    by lillymunster 9/19/2011 12:17:16 PM

  • there may be also direct connections between bulb bottom and torus with cables in it or steel rebar, that would act like channels for the corium.
    by Edano 9/19/2011 12:17:38 PM

  • @Edano I wouldn't expect those conducts to withstand the heat produced by nuclear core. They would probably melt in contact with the core. But I can see a possibility there, however unlikely it may seem.
    by Pedro Jesus 9/19/2011 12:19:53 PM

  • the corium in the containment must pile up to 2 meters, according to the diagram. seems too much for my intuition.
    by Edano 9/19/2011 12:20:08 PM

  • @Pedro Jesus Dean had also mentioned that the concrete is heavily filled with rebar that would melt easily and cause a network of holes in the concrete.
    by lillymunster 9/19/2011 12:20:39 PM

  • @Edano :-P I made the corium rather large, trying to illustrate so people could see, not to scale. :-)
    by lillymunster 9/19/2011 12:21:21 PM

  • @lillymunster :) yes i know :)
    by Edano 9/19/2011 12:21:43 PM

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