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  • @Edano the California Electric power web page shows info on Wind/Solar and other types of renewable power, www.caiso.com content.caiso.com
    by RonD 9/18/2011 4:45:36 PM

  • @Edano high gas prices put a big dent in the car culture. People started buying bikes, mopeds and efficient cars when gas hit $4-$5 a gallon. California has made changes but many parts of the US people think of California as a strange foreign country. :-) I think it will have to be social change here, political change is just to mired down now. If big box home stores start selling solar and wind set ups it would be a big change.
    by lillymunster 9/18/2011 4:49:08 PM

  • @Edano Scotland has declared itself anti nuke and Wales I believe but England is maybe not 'gelled' enough to make a sustained stance against it
    by elainekirk 9/18/2011 4:53:29 PM

  • @elainekirk yes, but the english stem from the germans (i mean the angles and saxons) :) so ....
    by Edano 9/18/2011 4:55:27 PM

  • but the french as well.... :(... too long ago.
    by Edano 9/18/2011 4:57:37 PM

  • @Edano I don't know enough about the French situation, it seems strange that they are so invested in nuclear.
    by lillymunster 9/18/2011 5:02:40 PM

  • @lillymunster true, there must be a historical reason, probably connected to the two world wars...
    by Edano 9/18/2011 5:05:27 PM

  • @Edano In the reading I did on Hanford and some of the Manhattan Project things I was reading yesterday. There was such a push by companies that joined the war effort to let them make civilian profits off of the technologies developed when the war ended. The war actually slowed down medical uses of radioisotopes but grew the nuclear industry. They really were desperate to find any way to use what they had spent so much money developing. It seems like nuclear power was just an off the cuff after thought as they tried to find a use for the technology from the bomb.
    by lillymunster 9/18/2011 5:12:07 PM

  • if aliens watch us they will be astonished of how stupidly we burn and poison our beautiful unique planet, while the sun provides us with everything we need....
    by Edano 9/18/2011 5:12:17 PM

  • @Edano If you take a world map and mark off the places we have ruined with factories, bomb testing and power plants gone wrong you start to get some big sections that are dangerous. If we were to keep it up we could be running out of safe land quickly between direct contamination and heightened background levels everywhere.
    by lillymunster 9/18/2011 5:13:59 PM

  • This is what I have for the article so far.

    German power giant Siemens has announced a complete withdrawal from nuclear power activities. The worldwide corporation cited the social and political change going on in Germany right now as a major factor in their change of business strategy. Siemens also cited the Fukushima disaster as a motivating factor in their business decision. Since the Fukushima disaster Germany decided to abolish all nuclear power plants over the next decade and put all efforts into alternative energy. Siemens ended a contract with Russia's Rosatom to build nuclear power plants and earlier ended a nuclear contract with Areva that cost them a considerable sum in penalties.

    "The (nuclear) chapter is closed for us," Peter Loescher told weekly Der Spiegel in an interview published on Sunday, calling the decision an "answer" to Germany's clear political and social stance over atomic energy.


    “German industrial giant Siemens is turning the page on nuclear energy, the group's CEO Peter Loescher told the Der Spiegel weekly in an interview published on Sunday.
    "We will no longer be involved in overall managing of building or financing nuclear plants. This chapter is closed for us," he said, explaining that Siemens would restrict its activity to double-use technology.

    "We will from now on supply only conventional equipment such as steam turbines. This means we are restricting ourselves to technologies that are not only for nuclear purposes but can also be used in gas or coal plants."...


    Siemens will now be focusing heavily on their renewable energy efforts. The German effort to have 35% renewable energy production by 2030 is certainly a motivating factor. Expect more projects like their north African solar generation project.

    Still, the drastic change in a huge worldwide corporation is stunning. Siemens obviously sees the future and conditions for nuclear power to be a losing proposition. Giant corporations don't make such massive changes if they don't benefit the profits and future of the company.
    by lillymunster 9/18/2011 5:14:22 PM

  • in the end, it's all hitler's fault...
    by Edano 9/18/2011 5:15:29 PM

  • @Edano LOL! because he had a bomb program?
    by lillymunster 9/18/2011 5:15:55 PM

  • @lillymunster great article
    by elainekirk 9/18/2011 5:16:21 PM

  • @elainekirk Thanks. Did I get everything in there?
    by lillymunster 9/18/2011 5:16:39 PM

  • @lillymunster : the americans caught all the nazi scientists for manhattan project...
    by Edano 9/18/2011 5:17:16 PM

  • @lillymunster it reads greats
    by elainekirk 9/18/2011 5:19:03 PM

  • @lillymunster yes, very nice article. you know how to get the point.
    by Edano 9/18/2011 5:19:25 PM

  • Thanks. I will set it to post to the site Monday morning. Will try to get one on the changes in Germany for tuesday
    by lillymunster 9/18/2011 5:21:11 PM

  • by Edano via Upload.wikimedia.org 9/18/2011 5:22:48 PM

  • Areva is hitting hard times. They discontinued some uranium mining and I think they let some staff go.. There was a news story about major changes to deal with the slowdown in nuclear power. With the French govt. so heavily involved in Areva I wonder what it will do to govt finances.
    by lillymunster 9/18/2011 5:29:44 PM

  • @Edano i reckon france invested heavily in it as a form of trade as much as for domestic, they saw themselves as having a financial interest in global nuke plants and areva are going to start struggling now , tepco wont be feeding them, seimens have chosen to buy out it is going to become a third world industry and that wont sustain france
    by elainekirk 9/18/2011 5:30:43 PM

  • the french don't have enough coal in their country:

    "As a direct result of the 1973 oil crisis, on March 6, 1974 Prime Minister Pierre Messmer unexpectedly announced what became known as the 'Messmer Plan', a huge nuclear power program aimed at generating all of France's electricity from nuclear power. At the time of the oil crisis most of France's electricity came from foreign oil, and while it was strong in heavy engineering capabilities, France had few indigenous energy resources.

    The announcement of the Messmer Plan, which was imposed without public or parliamentary debate, also led to the foundation of the Groupement des scientifiques pour l'information sur l'énergie nucléaire (Association of Scientists for Information on Nuclear Energy), formed after around 4,000 scientists signed a petition of concern over the government's action, known as the Appeal of the 400 after the 400 scientists who initially signed it.

    The plan envisaged the construction of around 80 nuclear plants by 1985 and a total of 170 plants by 2000. Work on the first three plants, at Tricastin, Gravelines, and Dampierre started the same year and France installed 56 reactors over the next 15 years" en.wikipedia.org
    by Edano 9/18/2011 5:31:21 PM

  • @lillymunster snap! I will see if I can find france's foriegn trade figures
    by elainekirk 9/18/2011 5:31:38 PM

  • @Edano, can you check the urinalysis section on Busby's website and let me know the medical relevance of the testing he is doing? Some of it sounded like junk as in urine wouldn't be the way to detect but you would know better than I.

    translate.google.com
    by lillymunster 9/18/2011 5:35:17 PM

  • they planned 200 plants.... gosh.
    by Edano 9/18/2011 5:35:19 PM

  • @lillymunster i will try.
    by Edano 9/18/2011 5:35:59 PM

  • Cool brochure this lady is holding images.zeit.de

    by lillymunster via Images.zeit.de 9/18/2011 5:39:21 PM

  • this is the best analysis of areva I could find www.economist.com
    by elainekirk 9/18/2011 5:39:46 PM

  • @Elaine, good article. Areva has everything tied into sales of the EPR and it is a disaster of a product. It is more expensive than other designs by 50% and is full of technical design issues. I don't know if the EU has resolved the issues with the EPR. They found design flaws and demanded Areva fix them before moving forwards and their EPR being built in France has a failed concrete pour job.
    by lillymunster 9/18/2011 5:46:48 PM

  • @lillymunster yup methinks that liquifaction may be more wdespread than the industry imagined ;)
    by elainekirk 9/18/2011 5:52:44 PM

  • @elainekirk For the first few months the business newspapers in the US were loudly claiming that nuclear power was just fine and to keep your investments in uranium (for those that HAVE investments in uranium?). Then it trickled off to a few "meh, uranium will probably still make money" stories. There are still lobbyists trying to get US funds to build nuclear plants. The govt is talking about cutting old people's social security, I would hope we are not wasting money on nuke plants we don't even own.
    by lillymunster 9/18/2011 5:57:40 PM

  • this is interesting they are bridges many built with latest technology and the damage they suffered in the quake/tsunami yet tepco would have us believe that the npp escaped unscathed docs.google.com
    by elainekirk 9/18/2011 6:00:53 PM

  • Found another weird Busby website translate.googleusercontent.com
    by lillymunster 9/18/2011 6:01:49 PM

  • @elainekirk they survive on the illusion of Japanese technology superiority, that is all they needed. :-)
    by lillymunster 9/18/2011 6:02:31 PM

  • well, busby only says that he conducts urineanalysis in his lab. if you analyse urine, you can detect every specific isotope you want, in contrary to a body counter, which only measures the activity, but does not specify the isotope. on the other hand, you cannot deduct from urine the internal contamination of the body, because the body stores isotopes and you have to calculate the individual biological half life. in this case, you would prefer a thyroid scan for iodine and a whole body count for strontium. the urine concentration of isotopes is dependent of several factors like nutrition habits and repeated contamination. better than a urineanalysis would be a blood test. in comparison, urineanalysis is the cheapest. that's why it is conducted on radworkers. it is also indicated if you want to control a singular incorporation, but it has to be done over several weeks to be conclusive. a much better, but not well known way to detect contamination, would be the "biological dosimetry" www.bfs.de . www.usuhs.mil this method detects the chromosome damages directly. the problems of urineanalysis on soldiers is dicussed here: www.gfstrahlenschutz.de it claims that urine tests are not at all sufficient.
    by Edano 9/18/2011 6:04:33 PM

  • Busby's other page is asking for money for his non profit where he is currently the only person in it. translate.googleusercontent.com
    by lillymunster 9/18/2011 6:04:38 PM

  • www.usuhs.mil now, don't think that this is being done on the fuku residents.

    by Edano via Usuhs.mil 9/18/2011 6:07:45 PM

  • @Edano what about his hair testing? I had not heard of that, can anything actually be detected? He is claiming uranium will show up in hair.
    by lillymunster 9/18/2011 6:07:59 PM

  • @lillymunster yes, it's correct, but you can use every tissue of the body. for example teeth. but it is not quantitative.
    by Edano 9/18/2011 6:09:33 PM

  • @Edano so you can see body contamination but not make any determination of amounts?
    by lillymunster 9/18/2011 6:10:17 PM

  • @lillymunster yes.
    by Edano 9/18/2011 6:10:40 PM

  • but hair is quite well for estimating the time and duration of incorporation. you can detect every joint in the last half year in the hair.
    by Edano 9/18/2011 6:12:53 PM

  • OK. I noticed everything Busby has going on went back to money. Looking at his profile he is a chemist with a PHD in chemistry. Not a medical dr.
    by lillymunster 9/18/2011 6:13:59 PM

  • funny, he does not mention that it is a chemical lab. he suggests it is medical.
    by Edano 9/18/2011 6:17:12 PM

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