
the siemens story and the german shift from nukes could be worth a long article. i think we don't have that yet. people out of germany don't know much about it, i assume. but when you explain the details (grid, deregulation), other countries' people will understand it better, and that this could be done everywhere (except france and usa, maybe).
by Edano 9/18/2011 11:42:53 AM

@Edano oh yes definately !!! I found the seimens pull out in business weekly in english and tweeted it from simplyinfo but we do need an article that sets out how major the Gemany and seimens pull out are
by elainekirk 9/18/2011 11:44:38 AM

i'm not good in writing articles ...
by Edano 9/18/2011 11:45:38 AM

@Edano neither am I I can find info happily sit digging all day but putting it into words that the public can comprehend is beyond me, we really need some scribes to help @Lilly out she must be getting writers cramp
by elainekirk 9/18/2011 11:47:43 AM

we could just find and copy a good english background article on that.
by Edano 9/18/2011 11:48:55 AM

elsewhere I do put things together by quoting from articles and stringing them together that would work we could try that
by elainekirk 9/18/2011 12:00:06 PM

@elainekirk just checking der spiegel english articles...
by Edano 9/18/2011 12:01:15 PM

off track tepco have listed readings from blow out panels
www.tepco.co.jpby elainekirk 9/18/2011 12:02:27 PM

Japan is capable of Replacing Nuclear Power with RenewablesWritten by Joao Peixe
Saturday, 17 September 2011 18:58
Former German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, a leading proponent of Germany phasing out nuclear power, has said that in the wake of Japan’s disastrous 11 March Fukushima nuclear accident that the country can both phase out nuclear power and become a pioneer in sources of alternative energy.
In an interview with Mainichi newspaper Schroeder said, "Japan is in a position where it is technologically capable of forming different energy policies. Japan could become a pioneer in energy other than nuclear power. Even risks of less realistic dangers like terrorism or airplane accidents must not be ruled out if there is even a slim possibility of them happening. Germany's safety philosophy is more solid than that of Japan. The massive tsunami could probably have been envisaged, and the fact that it was not envisaged when it should have been is problematic."
Schroeder added that when Germany decided to eliminate nuclear power, "there was tremendous resistance from the power industry, which had believed that nuclear power was the essence of their business model,
but debate was continued with industry executives until they understood."
In 1998 Schroeder's Social Democratic Party of Germany formed a coalition with the German Green Party and four years later the coalition passed legislation to eliminate nuclear power by around 2020, a policy put on hold by the administration of Chancellor Angela Merkel until after the Fukushima accident.
By. Joao Peixe, Deputy Editor OilPrice.com
oilprice.com by Edano 9/18/2011 12:12:01 PM

@Edano I don't know if lilly could copy it over
docs.google.com if I put the siemens articles and we find some english language on germany's pull out
by elainekirk 9/18/2011 12:15:56 PM

by Edano 9/18/2011 12:17:47 PM

it is really hard to find more than just short news on that.
by Edano 9/18/2011 12:19:38 PM

it is building up quite well :)
by elainekirk 9/18/2011 12:21:59 PM

i have to go out to vote. berlin regional elections. we will most probably have a left-green mayor.
by Edano 9/18/2011 12:22:47 PM

ok I will look for articles on germany's withdrawal from nuke
by elainekirk 9/18/2011 12:25:08 PM

@Thunder thanks thunder that looks good I will tweet it too
by elainekirk 9/18/2011 12:45:09 PM

@Thunder ty sleep well
by elainekirk 9/18/2011 1:03:48 PM

radioactivity in subdrains
docs.google.com and
docs.google.comby elainekirk 9/18/2011 1:18:20 PM

Morning! (afternoon-evening)
@Elaine, the news stories about Seimens that are in the google doc, where did they come from?
by lillymunster 9/18/2011 1:39:26 PM

OMG. Rockhopper sent me this on twitter. Busby has gone into business in Japan, selling supplements with his picture on the bottle. Of course he doesn't say what is in them. He is also offering food and hair testing and this doesn't sound like any sort of non profit set up.
translate.google.comI checked who owns the domain and it is Busby's business in London.
by lillymunster 9/18/2011 2:19:39 PM

@Liz I don't think anyone has posted that yet. Thanks...
by lillymunster 9/18/2011 2:54:54 PM

@lillymunster the links are all on there edano thought it would make a good article spo we gathered them up for you I tried to take a different aspect from each article
by elainekirk 9/18/2011 3:18:49 PM

@lillymunster I am writing to whoever I can this has to be stopped now
by elainekirk 9/18/2011 3:30:54 PM

Siemens, not Seimens ;)
by Edano 9/18/2011 3:49:27 PM

i found some interesting background about the german power shift:
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In Germany’s Nuclear Phase-Out, Renewable Energy Plans Are Clear www.wri.org-
How Germany Plans to Succeed in a Nuclear Free, Low Carbon Economy insights.wri.org-
How will Germany meet its ambitious energy goals? Pathways to a Low-Carbon, High-Prosperity Economy and “Grid Plan 2050”
powerpoints.wri.orgby Edano 9/18/2011 4:06:29 PM

@Edano I will go add them :)
by elainekirk 9/18/2011 4:12:16 PM

back for a bit
by lillymunster 9/18/2011 4:13:00 PM

@Edano @elainekirk wonderful! I wanted to make sure I had everything before I wrote something up. Thinking I do one with the gathered Siemens information and another with the German energy shift.
by lillymunster 9/18/2011 4:14:16 PM

IPCC Study: Renewable Energy Could Provide Majority of World’s Energy by 2050 The report finds that by 2050, nearly 80 percent of the world’s energy supply could be provided by renewable energy sources.
www.wri.org by Edano 9/18/2011 4:14:37 PM

@Edano your making my day! :-) Vested interests have done so much to convince people alternative energy isn't viable, good to see some information showing otherwise.
by lillymunster 9/18/2011 4:16:23 PM

@lillymunster very nice, thank you ! i think it is important to tell people on what bases and principles the shift will be made. it is not science fiction and it is not stupidity, it is well prepared and entirely possible. it is good when we fight against the big sceptisism, fired by the nuke industry.
by Edano 9/18/2011 4:17:24 PM

@Edano People in the US I talk to are in disbelief that German is actually doing all of this. They have been so convinced alternative energy is folly. So showing people all the details of the changes in Germany can be key to change everywhere else.
Does the mainstream German media talk about all the reality of nuclear power openly? In the US the lack of this in the main media seems to be a big hurdle. Unless someone is actively seeking information they likely don't know much about energy issues. Then you have politicians here telling people it is American to drive a huge truck with 1 person in it and to own a huge house and run the air conditioning with the front door open. Anything else is "unamerican".
by lillymunster 9/18/2011 4:24:44 PM

My understanding of the various news stories on Siemens is the political and social change in Germany is the reason for their change and they now want to invest heavily in renewable technology and will only keep on with the generic parts of power plants like turbines.
by lillymunster 9/18/2011 4:27:20 PM

@lillymunster the media is very present and critical on nuke energy. the big electricity companies fight with deceptive information such as that germany will have blackouts and must import nuke power, but we have strong green parties and a social agreement that does not believe in those pr campains.
by Edano 9/18/2011 4:29:09 PM

of course we have a broad consensus about abolishing nukes, at first in the population, then in the political parties, and now it is growing in the industry as well. without this consensus the shift would be difficult.
by Edano 9/18/2011 4:30:51 PM

the green party in germany derived from the anti nuke movement after chernobyl, so you can say that the shift to renewables needed thirty years.
by Edano 9/18/2011 4:32:22 PM

@Edano I suppose since there was such direct impact after Chernobyl it was easier to get people to see change is needed.
by lillymunster 9/18/2011 4:33:28 PM

30 years is a human generation, so this shift is also a change from old nuke thinking to modern, complex, decentral thinking.
by Edano 9/18/2011 4:34:20 PM

when i think of europe, great britain should be able to make a similar move. they were heavily affected by chernobyl and had their own disasters as well. they are not too dependent of nuke power (comparing to france), but maybe the social consensus is not so strong.
by Edano 9/18/2011 4:36:55 PM

@Edano People in the US will tell me that alternative energy doesn't work. I tell them to drive 30 minutes east of here. There is a massive wind power region mixed in among the farms in southern Minnesota. I have never seen it not generating power. We have almost constant wind around here. The decentralized idea needs to become political mandate with govt. subsidy to buy systems and it would easily take off here. Right now our govt. is completely dysfunctional, they can't vote on what to have for lunch. :-)
by lillymunster 9/18/2011 4:38:10 PM

@lillymunster as far as i know, they have made some renewable efforts in california. maybe this has to grow state by state.
by Edano 9/18/2011 4:40:31 PM

and think about the big uneconomic american cars that used to be "american style". today they don't sell anymore. in some ten years you will find them only in cuba. :)
by Edano 9/18/2011 4:41:51 PM