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  • @lillymunster I think that is what prompted the EU crackdown but as with everything else they just went overboard people should be able to buy supplements if they want to but they should be honestly described and I think the eu carp will get watered down to that level
    by elainekirk 9/18/2011 9:33:59 PM

  • @elainekirk they have had problems in the US. Both with safety and drug companies wanting them regulated as drugs. So far they have not done anything.
    by lillymunster 9/18/2011 9:41:06 PM

  • @lillymunster sometimes I think the public need to get savvy, you cannot legislate for every eventuality people dont seem to want to take responsibility for themselves and don't realise that every piece of legislation is wrapped in a sacrificed freedom
    by elainekirk 9/18/2011 9:44:12 PM

  • @elainekirk pretty much. We end up with strange laws that don't really do anything useful. Then find holes that probably should have been plugged somewhere else. The US doesn't seem to have cracked down on natural health as much as the UK has at least yet. They are trying to take some very old medicines off the market that have been used for decades with no real side effects. The pharma companies are doing the complaining to the FDA. So we lose a tried and true drug and get something less effective with more side effects and double the price
    by lillymunster 9/18/2011 9:46:54 PM

  • @lillymunster the uk gov would leave it alone but they are bowing to europe and as you say it is the drug companies that want regulation so they can turn them into 'medicines' and make their fortunes grow , politics is just a machine of big business
    by elainekirk 9/18/2011 9:54:35 PM

  • The depression amongst our Japanese friends is showing
    by elainekirk 9/18/2011 9:56:18 PM

  • @elainekirk how so?
    by lillymunster 9/18/2011 9:57:18 PM

  • OB_Li is seeming very down
    by elainekirk 9/18/2011 9:58:28 PM

  • @elainekirk six months of frustration. Like Bo said, this is a marathon, not a sprint.
    by lillymunster 9/18/2011 9:59:39 PM

  • @lillymunster yes these things take time unfortunately
    by elainekirk 9/18/2011 10:02:25 PM

  • @lillymunster I had a contact who was a professor of pharmacology, and he got this huge grant from some pharmaceuticorp to study the effects of Ginko because the extracts are such huge sellers, and with its benefits for the aging, its use can only grow. So of course, pharma wanted to make some synthetic analog of it so they could patent it and make a fortune.

    SO he set about his work testing it... OK... lets go for simplest first, is the active ingredient soluble in water? Yes. Completely. Lets run it through a molecular screen and see how big. Wow... HUGE, highly soluble organics.... they're giant polysaccharides or something. They'll never synthesize this. Why would you, anyway? Ginko grows like weeds into giant, abuse-resistant trees. It's easier to just extract it.

    Ah, but you can't patent an extract. His funding was cut the next day.
    by RadioGuy 9/18/2011 10:02:38 PM

  • @RadioGuy great example
    by elainekirk 9/18/2011 10:05:04 PM

  • @RadioGuy Yep sounds like typical pharma business. I noticed a few months ago ads in the US for a pharmaceutical brand of fish oil. www.lovaza.com
    It it just stupid. Someone's medical insurance is paying for that and those kinds of expenses drive up insurance costs.
    by lillymunster 9/18/2011 10:05:43 PM

  • A good article on why Lovaza is a waste of money www.healthy-heart-guide.com
    by lillymunster 9/18/2011 10:07:23 PM

  • why have tepco started giving these #2 readings www.tepco.co.jp is it some kind of admittance that things are dire
    by elainekirk 9/18/2011 10:10:09 PM

  • I think this says they are going to take fish from Fukushima, can it and send it to 3rd world countries as food aid. www3.nhk.or.jp
    by lillymunster 9/18/2011 10:28:37 PM

  • Some new FukuPhotos : cryptome.org
    by Ian 9/18/2011 10:31:08 PM

  • There seems to be a hole blasted through the truck entry of Unit 3 seen here : cryptome.org

    by Ian via Cryptome.org 9/18/2011 10:32:50 PM

  • @Ian am I seeing things? Looks like it doesn't connect to the building?
    by lillymunster 9/18/2011 10:41:23 PM

  • @lillymunster ah yes I think it is in the stuff I listed here for the iaea report docs.google.com
    by elainekirk 9/18/2011 10:44:46 PM

  • @lillymunster That's the way I read that translation too. They're going to send canned fish from the affected area to third world countries at no cost to dispel the damaging rumors about the areas's food safety.
    by RadioGuy 9/18/2011 10:58:56 PM

  • @RadioGuy it is in those docs it isnt just the fish either
    by elainekirk 9/18/2011 11:05:30 PM

  • @RadioGuy ::facepalm::
    by lillymunster 9/18/2011 11:06:13 PM

  • Looking at Ian's picture I think they are removing the garage off the building. Maybe part of the eventual tenting?
    by lillymunster 9/18/2011 11:07:24 PM

  • @lillymunster, looks to me like a wall panel was cleanly knocked off the truck entry. That would give it the impression of not being connected. But note that there's a lot of under-wall infrastructure visible there. Perhaps a fallen-out column knocked that panal off. Notice how close a hanging column is to that missing wall-panal space. The hole I referred to shows sings of having been blown out in the explosion, note its irregular edge and the outward-bent thin rebar. This shows a similarity to the Unit 4 blast we've not been able to see previously.
    by Ian 9/18/2011 11:37:08 PM

  • by Ian 9/19/2011 12:00:48 AM

  • Unit 3, wall rubble broke garage

    by lillymunster 9/19/2011 12:02:32 AM

  • Found this in my stash. Look lower right. Bunch of the wall beams fell through that part of the garage.
    by lillymunster 9/19/2011 12:03:07 AM

  • @lillymunster, similar damage may have occurred on the north side to the lower building there.
    by Ian 9/19/2011 12:05:26 AM

  • The original posting of the AlJazeera report below : www.youtube.com
    by Ian 9/19/2011 12:06:19 AM

  • tepco just tweeted the pic collection again and it got me thinking, yesterday the lack of ground shots pre0occupied me but looking again they have a neat wee map at the bottom with the border between towns clearly marked.
    www.tepco.co.jp
    It has me thinking when a comp gets contract for a reactor it comes with decommissioning included? if 5 & 6 are not beyond repair and there is a question over who foots the bill could the idea of restarting them have reared it's head again?
    by elainekirk 9/19/2011 12:41:33 AM

  • Siemens Stops Building Nuclear Reactors as Germany Pulls Atomic-Power Plug
    www.bloomberg.com
    Siemens AG (SIE) said it abandoned a planned return to the nuclear-power industry, following the German government in its retreat from atomic energy in the wake of the reactor catastrophe in Japan earlier this year.
    The German engineering company will drop plans to cooperate with Russian nuclear-power company Rosatom Corp. in the field of reactors, Chief Executive Officer Peter Loescher told Germany’s Der Spiegel magazine, in comments that were confirmed by the Munich-based company. There are no financial implications linked to retreat, spokesman Alfons Benzinger said.
    “We’ve closed that chapter,” Loescher said, according to an interview with the German weekly. Siemens is responding to the “clear position taken by society and politics in Germany” in regard to a retreat from nuclear power, he said.
    by RadioGuy 9/19/2011 1:02:47 AM

  • Up to one-seventh of Fukushima may be contaminated
    mdn.mainichi.jp
    TOKYO (Kyodo) -- It is likely that more than 2,000 square kilometers of land in Fukushima Prefecture have been contaminated with radioactive substances released from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant and need to be decontaminated, research indicated Thursday.

    The area accounts for about one-seventh of the whole prefecture, according to the estimation by Yuichi Moriguchi, a professor at the University of Tokyo. The volume of contaminated top soil that would need to be removed totals 100 million cubic meters.
    by RadioGuy 9/19/2011 1:08:56 AM

  • Taro Kono calls for replacing executives at power companies as requirement for any NPP restart. www.taro.org
    by lillymunster 9/19/2011 1:27:36 AM

  • The atomic devil strikes again – IAEA General Conference 2011 Sept. 19th – 23rd
    tekknorg.wordpress.com
    This has so many links in it, I've barely started following them all, but one of the first is this:

    The main way in which the "radiation protection industry" has succeeded in hugely underrating the ill-health caused by nuclear power is by insisting on a group of extremely restrictive definitions as to what qualifies as a radiation-caused illness statistic. For example, under IAEA's criteria:

    If a radiation-caused cancer is not fatal, it is not counted in the IAEA's figures

    If a cancer is initiated by another carcenogen, but accelerated or promoted by exposure to radiation, it is not counted.

    If an auto-immune disease or any non-cancer is caused by radiation, it is not counted.

    Radiation-damaged embryos or foetuses which result in miscarriage or stillbirth do not count

    A congenitally blind, deaf or malformed child whose illnesses are are radiation-related are not included in the figures because this is not genetic damage, but rather is teratogenic, and will not be passed on later to the child's offspring.

    Causing the genetic predisposition to breast cancer or heart disease does not count since it is not a "serious genetic disease" in the Mendelian sense.

    Even if radiation causes a fatal cancer or serious genetic disease in a live born infant, it is discounted if the estimated radiation dose is below 100 mSv [mSv= millisievert, a measurement of radiation exposure. One hundred millsievert is the equivalent in radiation of about 100 X-Rays].

    Even if radiation causes a lung cancer, it does not count if the person smokes -- in fact whenever there is a possibility of another cause, radiation cannot be blamed.

    If all else fails, it is possible to claim that radiation below some designated dose does not cause cancer, and then average over the whole body the radiation dose which has actually been received by one part of the body or even organ, as for instance when radio-iodine concentrates in the thyroid. This arbitrary dilution of the dose will ensure that the 100 mSv cut-off point is nowhere near reached. It is a technique used to dismiss the sickness of Gulf War veterans who inhaled small particles of ceramic uranium which stayed in their lungs for more than two years, and in their bodies for more than eight years, irradiating and damaging cells in a particular part of the body.
    by RadioGuy 9/19/2011 1:29:37 AM

  • Former PM Koixumi calls for end of nuclear power in Japan mainichi.jp
    by lillymunster 9/19/2011 1:30:22 AM

  • unbelievable, noone wants this shit:

    Japan to offer products from disaster areas as ODA

    Japan's Foreign Ministry hopes to use products from the country's northeast that was hit by the March 11th quake and tsunami to aid developing countries.

    The Foreign Ministry filed a budget request worth more than 220 million dollars with the government, which is working on a third supplementary budget bill for fiscal 2011.

    The Ministry says it wants to use part of the requested budget, worth about 65-million dollars, to buy industrial products, including wheelchairs, and marine food products made in Iwate, Miyagi and Fukushima Prefectures, to provide them free of charge to developing countries.

    The Ministry says it hopes the program will also help stop radioactive-related rumors from affecting shipments and sales of those products overseas.


    Sales of products made in the country's northeast have been hurt by such rumors since the nuclear crisis began at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant in the same region.

    The Ministry also requested the equivalent of about 52 million dollars to set up a rapid quake and tsunami reporting system for nations in Southeast Asia and the Pacific Rim region.
    www3.nhk.or.jp
    The Ministry says it also wants the equivalent of about 13 million dollars to invite experts from the International Atomic Energy Agency to assess and advise on radiation surveys the government plans to conduct.

    Monday, September 19, 2011 05:59 +0900 (JST)
    www3.nhk.or.jp
    by Edano 9/19/2011 1:31:33 AM

  • Aha...the English document. Yep, this dilution strategy is getting downright dangerous. Trying to dispel rumors about the safety of the food by giving it away to developing nations... that's wrong on so many levels.

    They give it away for free, but I bet someone is taking a hefty wriote-off on it, so really... they're selling it.
    by RadioGuy 9/19/2011 1:34:23 AM

  • i don't think any country will accept this rubbish.
    by Edano 9/19/2011 1:35:34 AM

  • I bet it's already turning up in pet food.
    by RadioGuy 9/19/2011 1:35:58 AM

  • If anyone were testing pet food.
    by RadioGuy 9/19/2011 1:36:26 AM

  • Noda to emphasize continuing need for nuclear plants in Japan at U.N.

    TOKYO, Sept. 19, Kyodo

    Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda is set to emphasize the continuing need for nuclear power plants in Japan and will pledge to ensure the highest level of operational safety during an upcoming U.N. conference, according to a draft of his speech obtained by Kyodo News on Sunday.

    Noda will adopt a different position to that of his predecessor Naoto Kan, who sought to reduce the country's reliance on nuclear power in the wake of the crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant.

    According to the draft, Noda will tell a session of the U.N. high-level meeting on nuclear safety and security on Thursday that his government will ''raise the safety of nuclear plants to the highest level.''
    english.kyodonews.jp
    by Edano 9/19/2011 1:38:10 AM

  • the highest safety level is certainly decommisioning, mr noda !
    by Edano 9/19/2011 1:38:46 AM

  • That's the disgusting thing about the whole approach so far: it's all about protecting business. "How can we minimize the risk reporting enough to sell this food we know is dangerous to someone, ANYONE, who won't know it's poison?"
    by RadioGuy 9/19/2011 1:39:16 AM

  • @Edano Yep... that's about as safe as it can get... decommissioned.
    by RadioGuy 9/19/2011 1:39:45 AM

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