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    by bo 10/6/2011 5:52:43 AM

  • good morning world
    by elainekirk 10/6/2011 8:03:25 AM

  • Gov't panel mulls interim goals on radiation dose

    A government panel is calling for Japan's one-millisievert annual radiation limit to be eased for the interim, saying it will be difficult to restrict exposure in some areas near the troubled Fukushima nuclear plant.

    The environment is contaminated by radioactive substances in areas hit by fallout from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, causing concern that residents may be exposed to radiation for long periods.

    The panel on radiation believes it will be difficult to keep their dose below the one-millisievert limit set by the government for normal times and proposed on Thursday to set an interim exposure target.

    It says the target should be set between one and 20 millisieverts in line with recommendations by the International Commission for Radiological Protection.

    The panel says the target should be lowered in steps as decontamination progresses.

    It adds that targets could differ by region and that residents should have a voice in setting the targets.

    The panel will wrap up its proposal at its next meeting, but its plan to ease the radiation exposure limit is expected to arouse controversy.

    Thursday, October 06, 2011 15:39 +0900 (JST)
    www3.nhk.or.jp
    by Edano 10/6/2011 8:24:51 AM

  • ridiculous.
    by Edano 10/6/2011 8:26:27 AM

  • IAEA reports incident at Belgian nuclear waste sit

    A UN nuclear agency says 3 people are being checked for radiation exposure at a nuclear-waste processing facility in Belgium.

    The International Atomic Energy Agency made the announcement in Vienna on Wednesday.

    It said an official from the agency was on a routine inspection of the facility, accompanied by a EURATOM inspector and a Belgoprocess official, when a contamination incident occurred.

    The 3 have undergone external decontamination procedures and medical checks.

    The agency also says Belgian authorities have reported that the incident area has been sealed off and no radiation has been released into the environment.

    The operator of the processing facility says the 3 were checking a container of radioactive material when it fell to the floor and cracked.

    Thursday, October 06, 2011 08:02 +0900 (JST)
    www3.nhk.or.jp
    by Edano 10/6/2011 8:28:14 AM

  • by Edano via Www3.nhk.or.jp 10/6/2011 8:28:32 AM

  • Gov't seeks local disposal of radiation-tainted waste within prefs.

    TOKYO, Oct. 6, Kyodo

    The government seeks to dispose of waste stuffs contaminated with highly radioactive materials spewed from the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant within the prefectures they are found in, so as to minimize their movement, its draft basic policy showed Thursday.

    The policy, which the government aims to formalize at a Cabinet meeting in early November, takes over from conventional waste disposal and decontamination plans but will require assurances that the approach is safe and that unwanted contaminated waste does not pile up in neighborhoods to the concern of residents.

    Working out the policy under a special law to deal with radioactive contamination that will take full effect next January, the government also seeks to set up interim storage facilities in prefectures where contaminated waste and soil are found ''in substantial quantities,'' and assume responsibility for them. english.kyodonews.jp
    by Edano 10/6/2011 8:30:49 AM

  • @Edano good morning
    by elainekirk 10/6/2011 8:47:40 AM

  • PRIORITIZATION OF RECOMMENDED ACTIONS TO BE TAKEN IN
    RESPONSE TO FUKUSHIMA LESSONS LEARNED
    pbadupws.nrc.gov
    Enclosure
    docs.google.com
    by elainekirk 10/6/2011 10:25:13 AM

  • sorry couldnt find more news out now for awhile
    by elainekirk 10/6/2011 11:21:15 AM

  • morning all. Have all the individual files from the FOIA uploaded. Will be making a links list of all and then try to do the big single file again.
    by lillymunster 10/6/2011 11:43:22 AM

  • Here's Busby's supplements, clays (Terramin and LL's Magnetic Clay) are highly featured : www.4u-detox.com
    by Ian 10/6/2011 11:59:34 AM

  • Not sure if this is the same as the magic pills for kids page that they pulled down. They list this as the ingredients in the "forumula 1" pills

    Component
    Calcium Lactate 800mg               
    Calcium lactate 800mg
    Magnesium Oxide 300mg
    Magnesium oxide 300mg
    Sodium selenate 50micrograms
    50micrograms Sodium selenite
    Sodium molybdate 25micrograms
    25micrograms sodium molybdate
    plus cellulose etc bulking agents etc
    Cellulose

    The pills are listed at 5800 yen that equals $75.00 USD or 57 euros
    by lillymunster 10/6/2011 12:06:07 PM

  • toxsci.oxfordjournals.org "Since clay and zeolitic minerals comprise a broad family of functionally diverse chemicals, there may be significant hidden risks associated with their indiscriminate inclusion in the diet." Concludes that detoxifying clays should be tested rigorously to determine safety.
    by Ian 10/6/2011 12:18:15 PM

  • www.tandfonline.com cites animal studies and a 2-week human study with the detox clay NovaSil clay, not adverse effects cited and efficacy for aflatoxin removal was shown.
    by Ian 10/6/2011 12:27:09 PM

  • good morning to all
    by dean 10/6/2011 12:27:53 PM

  • morning dean!
    by lillymunster 10/6/2011 12:33:01 PM

  • @dean have all the individual files uploaded on the server, building a links list for those. Then try to upload the big file
    by lillymunster 10/6/2011 12:39:14 PM

  • @lillymunster , @Ian, any idea why some of the ingredients are listed twice? Also what are the selenate and molybdate supposed to do?
    by Peter 10/6/2011 12:39:30 PM

  • ty Lilly.. I can't wait you and elaine are both remarkable people
    by dean 10/6/2011 12:42:11 PM

  • @Peter not sure on the ingredients, I am not familiar with either one. I copied the list as it was on the website.
    by lillymunster 10/6/2011 12:46:37 PM

  • @ Peter, good morning,,, I wonder if JAPAN has the equivalent of the FDA for approving drugs or supplements. I could just imagine the scammers making up non studied drugs or supplements claiming recovery or protection from radio-isotopes and then sending them to japan to make a profit
    by dean 10/6/2011 12:46:56 PM

  • I thought this article was interesting ---------"1945, at the time of the atomic bombing of Japan, Tatsuichiro Akizuki, M.D. was Director of the Department of Internal Medicine at St. Francis's Hospital in Nagasaki. Most patients in the hospital, located one mile from the center of the blast, survived the initial effects of the bomb, but soon after came down with symptoms of radiation sickness from the fallout that has been released.

    Dr. Akizuki fed his staff and patients a strict diet of brown rice, miso and tamari soy soup, wakame, kombu and other seaweed, Hokkaido pumpkin, and sea salt and prohibited the consumption of sugar and sweets.

    As a result, he saved everyone in his hospital, while many other survivors perished from radiation sickness.
    Source: Tatsuichiro Akuziki, M.D. Nagasaki 1945, London Quarter books, 1981. (Brown rice, miso, Sea vegetables, Salt)

    In 1968 Canadian researchers reported that sea vegetables contained a polysaccharide substance that selectively bound radioactive strontium and helped eliminate it from the body. In laboratory experiments, sodium alginate prepared from kelp, kombu, and other brown seaweeds off the Atlantic and pacific coasts was introduced along with strontium and calcium into rats. The reduction of radioactive particles in bone uptake, measured in the femur, reached as high as 80%, with little interference with calcium absorption. "
    by dean 10/6/2011 12:50:14 PM

  • @Peter and @ian... I ran across this which was interesting www.ratical.org
    by dean 10/6/2011 12:52:33 PM

  • @Hi. Found this comparison Fuku and Chernobyl at Ajw.asahi. What is the difference in the messuring of the two accidents – Fuku shows becurel pr. m2, and Chernobyl show kBq/m2 -?
    I didn’t know Japan was that big compared to Europe, that was ok to see the size properly.
    ajw.asahi.com
    by Mona 10/6/2011 1:06:16 PM

  • ty Mona just from the units one would assume that Chernobyl was much worse..
    by dean 10/6/2011 1:21:14 PM

  • Except for the selenate and the molybdate, you might as well take TUMS. www.tums.com
    by Peter 10/6/2011 1:47:46 PM

  • @Peter :-) You can get a huge jar of TUMS for about $3
    by lillymunster 10/6/2011 1:52:53 PM

  • The magnesium in it is the laxative variety. If these pills catch on invest in toilet paper stocks in Japan. :-)

    In medicine, magnesium oxide is used for relief of heartburn and sore stomach, as an antacid, magnesium supplement, and as a short-term laxative. It is also used to improve symptoms of indigestion. Side effects of magnesium oxide may include nausea and cramping.[5] In quantities sufficient to obtain a laxative effect, side effects of long-term use include enteroliths resulting in bowel obstruction.[6]
    by lillymunster 10/6/2011 1:55:01 PM

  • @Hi Dean/all. Do you mean Chernobyl was worse than Fukushima, with 1 reactor and Fuku’s 4? And Chernobyl 87 tons radioactive material and Fuku over 1500? I found: kBq (kilobecquerel, 103 Bq). My math is lousy – and radioactivity is so difficult that no one can figure it out! Grrr.. ;)
    Why can’t they show all numbers in the same way… Chernobyl is over 1480 kBq =103 Bq and Fuku is 3millions Bq – how many Bq is 1480 103 Bq??
    How useful is it to compare when they use:3-3millions… That is very wide.
    An other thing: Japan is messuring from airplane – THE RADIATION IS MUCH HIGHER NEAR GROUND- that I saw from Greenpeace (link to data sheets on this page: http://www.greenpeace.org/international/en/news/Blogs/nuclear-reaction/fukushima-city-kids-should-not-have-to-choose/blog/36541/ ) - big differences only from 1,5m to 1m to 0,1m above the ground. So when they messure from a plaine, they must explain this differences – because some people think the radiation levels are ok – but they’re not! Last results I read from Japan, is lower than Scandinavia – we understand that is wrong when a big nuclear catastrophy is in Japan. People who use a Geiger counter at the ground, get much higher results.
    What do you think about this anyone?
    enenews.com

    by Mona via Enenews 10/6/2011 2:30:00 PM

  • @Mona, they are doing aerial readings and also from car readings and some other types. It is hard to keep track of what agency is doing what kind of reading in what location... This is some of the car readings by MEXT radioactivity.mext.go.jp
    by lillymunster 10/6/2011 2:34:00 PM

  • @Mona, just because Fukushima stores more fuel (mostly in its fuel pools) than Chernobyl did doesn't automatically mean it was all blown out and thus Fukushima was worse. In fact, it wasn't all blown out. They were two different events, and only Chernobyl suffered a fully blown open core.
    by Ian 10/6/2011 2:36:47 PM

  • back
    by dean 10/6/2011 2:38:07 PM

  • Hello again,
    new MEXT radiation maps have been released today: radioactivity.mext.go.jp
    announced on: fukushima-diary.com
    by Vivre 10/6/2011 2:40:54 PM

  • @Vivre people in Tokyo have been saying they were finding radiation for months and getting dismissed. I wonder how this will play out now that the govt is admitting it. Grabbed the MEXT link, will get that added with Elaine's links probably tonight/tomorrow. Trying to finish up the NRC documents.
    by lillymunster 10/6/2011 2:50:36 PM

  • Chernobyl was worse with than fukushima with one reactor because there was no primary containment. The roof blew off like unit 1 (tennis court) and unit 3 (cathedral roof) but reactor core 1 was pretty much contained except for some meltdown gases (like TMI), core 3 evidently blew out through the edges of the reactor well manhole cover in Ian's steam explosion, but it was mostly steam, not tons of uranium going up 1 km into the air. I believe most of the cesium on march 15 was in that dirty explosion "mushroom cloud" and in the visible steam plumes over the next days. Khalili is largely correct that radiation fatalities such Chernobyl didn't happen because of the containment. However it did not stop fallout, and it appears mr. Acute Lukeumia died from exposure to concentrated cesium fallout accumlated over months. Claims by pro-nukers that fukushima can be cleaned up would depend on the "no additional cancers beyond thyroid" theory that Khalili promoted on the BBC show, and that assumes we've already accepted the relatively small but measureable increases in infant and child deaths observed next to perfectly working plants as we dug up yesterday. I never heard of those studies before yesterday, though I know perfectly healthy people whose parents worked at Hanford.
    by artnuke 10/6/2011 2:51:21 PM

  • cache.wists.com here is the chernobyl museum model of the wreckage. The massive "manhole cover" floor was blown up and fell back down on its edge. Tons of fuel melted, broke and was thrown up into the air in a massive thermal explosion, I guess the difference between that explosion and a a-bomb explosion is just a matter of degree, it took out the roof but not the sides of the building. By contrast, the side walls of unit 3 were also blown out. Chernobyl side walls look just fine.
    by artnuke 10/6/2011 2:51:26 PM

  • @artnuke Hanford is still largely under govt. secrecy rules, they won't release everything they know. There is some data on hanford and cancer risk. The Mayak plant in Russia has more data out and they showed some pretty concerning health outcomes for their workers. I don't know if the working conditions at hanford/mayak play a role or we just have more data on Mayak
    by lillymunster 10/6/2011 2:53:20 PM

  • Fukushima's radioactive sea contamination lingers Levels of radiation in the sea off the Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear plant remain stubbornly high six months after the earthquake and tsunami struck Japan on 11 March.

    After levels peaked at around 100,000 becquerels per cubic metre of seawater in early April, much of the radioactive iodine, caesium and plutonium from Fukushima was expected to rapidly disperse in the Pacific Ocean.

    Instead, it seems that the levels remain high. That could be because contaminated water is still leaking into the sea from the nuclear plant, because currents are trapping the material that's already there, or both.
    www.newscientist.com would have posted on organize, but it's closed down
    by M.I.A. 10/6/2011 3:01:45 PM

  • @M.I.A. went and restarted Organize
    by lillymunster 10/6/2011 3:14:01 PM

  • @lillymunster TY. I always feel bad posting off-topic here and disrupting the convo :)
    by M.I.A. 10/6/2011 3:18:16 PM

  • Comparisons Chernobyl vs Fukushima

    After the 1986 Chernobyl accident, the most highly contaminated areas were defined as those with over 1,490 kiloBecquerels per square metre (kBq/m2) of caesium. Agricultural produce from soil with 550 kBq/m2 was destroyed. People living within 30 kilometres of the Fukushima plant have evacuated or been advised to stay indoors. Since March 18th, MEXT has repeatedly found caesium levels above 550 kBq/m2 in an area some 45 kilometres wide lying 30 to 50 kilometres north-west of the plant. The highest was 6,400 kBq/m2, about 35 kilometres away, while caesium reached 1,816 kBq/m2 in Nihonmatsu City and 1,752 kBq/m2 in the town of Kawamata, where iodine-131 levels of up to 12,560 kBq/m2 have also been measured. [New Scientist]

    Read more: www.businessinsider.com
    by dean 10/6/2011 3:24:13 PM

  • @lilly I don't think the jp-gov is out to play fair - the news all show into a different direction. And thoses datas may be half-wy irelevant if taken one metre from ground while the soil readings above are many times higher.
    I read some days ago they where going to encrease measurements but placing the collectors on building-tops. We'll see.
    Thanks to your hard effort for reviewing all those NRC documents

    @Ian are you still around?
    by Vivre 10/6/2011 3:26:14 PM

  • @Vivre I have seen complaints about that various places. The academic people taking samples and citizen testing is doing more of the close to ground sampling. A comprehensive survey of all 3 (air,surface,soil) done in an organized manner would be so much better. It is like nobody is in charge in Japan.
    by lillymunster 10/6/2011 3:28:41 PM

  • @Lillimunster, Ian. TY for answers and link. I don’t think all blew up in Fuku – not in Chernobyl either. They want to build a new cover to Chernobyl for xxx mill because it is still dangerous. And yes, the accidents are different, but 3 meltdowns are 3 meltdowns – or meltthrough. What is going on in the ground? The radioactive sludge may say the groundwater is contaminated – if so, this will only get worse, isn’t it? But what about the math, any one who know? - how many Bq is 1480 103 Bq?
    A totally different thing, but maybe I can post it anyhow.. Do you know the crash course, that I found some days ago? www.chrismartenson.com
    With a useful “What should I do-list” to met a world crisis: www.chrismartenson.com
    by Mona 10/6/2011 3:53:30 PM

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