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@Peter www.iaea.org
Additional Report of the Japanese Government
to the IAEA
- The Accident at TEPCO’s Fukushima Nuclear Power Stations -
(Second Report)
(Summary)
September 2011
by elainekirk 10/6/2011 9:58:15 PM

Found the IAEA reports, what chapter was that in?
by lillymunster 10/6/2011 10:02:42 PM

@lillymunster which link is report ?
by elainekirk 10/6/2011 10:07:33 PM

@lillymunster , chapter II.
by Peter 10/6/2011 10:09:57 PM

Take a Garbage Patch Cruise
An eco-adventure voyage will check on garbage patches in the Pacific Ocean. Fancy a holiday in a sea of junk? Environmentalists in the United States are offering "eco-adventurers" the chance to do just that.
From May 1 next year, the Sea Dragon will sail for two months through sections of the North Pacific Ocean swirling with debris from the March 2011 tsunami that devastated Japan, organizers said Wednesday.
"We'll be riding the same currents that are transporting cigarette lighters, bottle caps, children's toys and all manner of other plastic pollution generated by the tsunami," said expedition leader Marcus Eriksen. news.discovery.com
by Majj 10/6/2011 10:21:57 PM

@elainekirk , interesting. In part it is the same, but at the end the texts deviate. Perhaps, the link you posted is only a summary. The actual report has nine chapters.
by Peter 10/6/2011 10:24:39 PM

@Peter mmm I did see a big one but if it isnt either of those I don't know where i found it :(
by elainekirk 10/6/2011 10:33:25 PM

Actual Fukushima Worker Warns To Get Out Of Japan Before Spring Comes. Children have already started to have thyroid problems “even though they evacuated”.
It was assumed to take 5 years but the symptoms are showing up much faster than we ever thought.
Now it’s known that most part of the plume is stuck to the trees or soil in the mountains, where you can hardly decontaminate. www.infiniteunknown.net
by Majj 10/6/2011 10:38:51 PM

@Majj
that explaions the recent - iaea to help jap gov evaluate decontamination in the forests =
by elainekirk 10/6/2011 10:50:45 PM

I have to wonder what it all means. The workers dropping dead with supposedly low exposure levels, kids showing with thyroid issues already, all the people complaining of vague symptoms for months.
by lillymunster 10/6/2011 10:53:06 PM

@lillymunster it boils down to the fact tepco have been allowed to control the situation and have lied throughout about radiation, the latest results from them are saying no rad in the seabed soil , theres none in the sea none on land its gone ....maybe the people have soaked it all up but the truth is probably that teoco lie
by elainekirk 10/6/2011 11:00:06 PM

@lillymunster children who show thyroid anomalities so fast after exponation have very likely received high doses of radiation. i think we can conclude that all the low measurings are not true.
by Edano 10/6/2011 11:11:34 PM

@Edano it makes me so sad rockhopper was telling me today when I said that we were getting very little news in english she says in Japan people arent coming forward to help somebody wanted a wsj article explaining to them and despite a big call out on twitter for somebody to translate it to Japanese it it ended up with rockhopper doing it, she cant keep going like this I do worry
by elainekirk 10/6/2011 11:15:24 PM

i am not surprised that they now find hotspots in fuku city which would have afforded immediate evacuation. they never wanted to evacuate 3 mio inhabitants and close the tohoku motorway, as i demanded long ago.
by Edano 10/6/2011 11:15:52 PM

@Edano we have documented all of this while the worlld has carried on regardless and the saddest thing is that very soon katla will blow and for as long as the eruption lasts it will make headlines because people won't be able to get on blo*dy airplanes and go on holiday it makes me sick
by elainekirk 10/6/2011 11:25:31 PM

docs.google.com Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station: Plutonium analysis
result in the soil (PDF 9.73KB)
Plutonium in the air - daiichi www.tepco.co.jp
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www.tepco.co.jp Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station: Strontium analysis
result in the soil (PDF 9.34KB)
strontium in the air - daiichi www.tepco.co.jp
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www.tepco.co.jp Result of gamma ray nuclide analysis of soil - Fukushima Daiichi
Nuclear Power Station (PDF 10.4KB)
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seawater which they actually admit to having radiation in it on the 5th www.tepco.co.jp
by elainekirk 10/6/2011 11:43:46 PM

Going through documents from the other day. There was a bunch of medical studies on children and stronium 90 etc. A bunch of those were written by this guy Mangano JJ.

He was behind the baby deaths on the west coast thing than ended up being junk because of the way he cherry picked data. So any of the studies he or Sherman JD are involved in should have the original data investigated. They have not had a good track record of data handling.
by lillymunster 10/7/2011 12:39:19 AM

@lillymunster I will watch out for him
by elainekirk 10/7/2011 12:50:25 AM

@elainekirk There was a long debate about Mangano months ago. Getting the raw data they used for their studies would be interesting to see if we find other conclusions. I will try to look for other studies that reuse the raw data. It is really frustrating since that is some pretty critical data such as the teeth study.
by lillymunster 10/7/2011 12:53:19 AM

@lillymunster it is damned hard tracking stuff isnt it
by elainekirk 10/7/2011 12:57:06 AM

@lillymunster you seen rockhoppers tweets to us re the studies
by elainekirk 10/7/2011 12:58:17 AM

@elainekirk no what did she say?
by lillymunster 10/7/2011 1:05:16 AM

Question from rockhopper
Dr. Kodama seemed to say, "easy to detect rad-related problem. Look at chromosome 7, q11 area. If there are "three copies of it, that's a clear indication" Is this true? Many may believe this, because he said.
by elainekirk 10/7/2011 1:05:55 AM

NRC had a page debunking Mangano but it also goes into their usual suspects of sources (ICRP ETC) I would like to see the raw data or see an impartial 3rd party review it www.nrc.gov
by lillymunster 10/7/2011 1:06:40 AM

@elainekirk Hmm. Is Kodama the radiation science prof. at Tokyo Uni Hospital?
by lillymunster 10/7/2011 1:07:17 AM

@lillymunster i will ask
by elainekirk 10/7/2011 1:09:06 AM

On the stronium teeth thing. The original study was done by one group. They later gave all their data over to Mangano who then did his studies. Finding the original studies from the original group would be key. They don't seem to be in question like Mangano's later re-studies are. www.nytimes.com
by lillymunster 10/7/2011 1:12:12 AM

@lillymunster just searching there is a good link for filing on organise
by elainekirk 10/7/2011 1:14:58 AM

@elainekirk Will go check for the link.

Found this really good article from 1959 on the baby tooth survey www.nuclearfiles.org
by lillymunster 10/7/2011 1:21:07 AM

The thyroid article posted earlier mdn.mainichi.jp doesn't cite how often those abnormal-thyroid measures occur in the general population. It listed more than one type of abnormal reading. One type was found in one child, which is 0.7% of all children tested. All types totaled involved 7.6% of the cohort. Probably higher than a random sample, but I don't know.
by Ian 10/7/2011 1:24:22 AM

lilly as to the chromosomal aberation: en.wikipedia.org(human) . The info krockhopper does not suffice, there is another number after another dot at the end we need to know.
by Peter 10/7/2011 1:28:11 AM

@Peter I will ask her for it
by elainekirk 10/7/2011 1:34:56 AM

Ohio gozaimasu all
by bo 10/7/2011 1:35:20 AM

@bo greetings
by elainekirk 10/7/2011 1:35:39 AM

@Ian I wondered also. None of the news articles got into details such as compared to the rest of the population etc.
by lillymunster 10/7/2011 1:36:57 AM

@bo Hi Bo!
by lillymunster 10/7/2011 1:37:12 AM

Does anyone have access to Science (journal)? www.sciencemag.org
The original stronium 90 baby teeth survey seems to be in their November 24, 1961 issue
Science "classic" is the one we need access to. www.sciencemag.org

Why they are making old content so hard to get at....
by lillymunster 10/7/2011 1:38:22 AM

I can check. They keep it behind a gate for $$$$$$
by bo 10/7/2011 1:41:19 AM

No, I only have access from the 80s on. I do, however, have a copy of Operation Sunshine, the RAND Corporation report on the baby teeth study from the mid-50s.
by bo 10/7/2011 1:44:09 AM

@bo cool! What is that vs. the journal report?
by lillymunster 10/7/2011 1:45:10 AM

@bo that sounds good
by elainekirk 10/7/2011 1:45:26 AM

Sounds like the University of MO might have the group's files but I don't think they are on line www.umsl.edu
by lillymunster 10/7/2011 1:50:40 AM

Well I don't know about the journal report, but in the mid-50s as public concern over nuclear testing was on the rise, the RAND Corporation did a study for the AEC in which they collected teeth from around the world, from all continents, and did an analysis and found radionuclides in the teeth of all people no matter how far south, or wherever else they lived.
by bo 10/7/2011 1:51:10 AM

Also, during my trip I had a long chat with a friend of mine who is a Kazakh geneticist who has done the most extensive and important work on the affects of radiation on living organisms (people, animals and plants) in the Semipalatinsk area (the former Soviet nuclear weapon testing site). He said that he thought the greatest long term affect of the radiation in Northern Japan would be in the sea. He said that given the amount we already know has entered into the sea, he believed that it would affect all of the oceans and a very wide range of creatures living therein.
by bo 10/7/2011 1:53:44 AM