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I think the big thing frustrating all of this is the radiation and the disaster not being finite. Other large quakes they seemed to handle much better. Locals still had to band together and lead the reconstruction themselves. The national govt. didn't help much. With this the locals can't just band together and go rebuild. The national government isn't just not helping, they are making things harder/worse at every turn.
by lillymunster 10/31/2011 12:36:44 PM

the preparations for the nuclear part of the disaster were indeed poor when you think of the iodine pills, medical care, missing cooling water, and and and... they had to ask the us for help instead of using their sdf forces which don't seem to be trained sufficiently.
by Edano 10/31/2011 12:37:35 PM

not enough dosimeters....radiation suits, shoes .....
by Edano 10/31/2011 12:39:24 PM

emi.pdc.org this is very informative
by dean 10/31/2011 12:44:44 PM

that document was the KOBE JAPAN Disaster Risk Management Plan but a word search for nuclear, reactor, contamination yielded nothing..
by dean 10/31/2011 12:50:04 PM

In some cases, Fukushima Daiichi’s crisis planners exceeded minimums. The plan calls for 49 radiation-detecting meters, versus six required by law, and 100 cellphones on two systems, versus the seven required.

Still, many of the numbers suggest the six-reactor plant anticipated at most a modest emergency. It calls for a four-man medical team to attend to people exposed to radiation and other victims. Four protective suits with oxygen tanks were to be stocked, as well as a single ambulance and radiation-measuring vehicle.

Much hinged on the fax machine. One section directs managers to notify the industry minister, the local governor and mayors of nearby towns of any problems “all at once, within 15 minutes, by facsimile.” In certain cases, the managers were advised to follow up by phone to make sure the fax had arrived.
by dean 10/31/2011 12:55:08 PM

The main disaster-readiness manual, updated annually, envisions the fax machine as a principal means of communication with the outside world and includes detailed forms for Tepco managers when faxing government officials. One form offers a multiple-choice list of disasters, including “loss of AC power,” “inability to use the control room” and “probable nuclear chain reaction outside the reactor.”
by dean 10/31/2011 12:58:28 PM

@dean reading that minimum requirements now, makes me bang my head against the table. completely underestimated.
by Edano 10/31/2011 12:58:48 PM

www.infiniteunknown.net Plant Had Barebones Risk Plan
by dean 10/31/2011 12:59:11 PM

@dean and when the power is out so those fax machines dont work? Do people still HAVE fax machines?
by lillymunster 10/31/2011 12:59:16 PM

@lilly.. it sounds like the facsimile is the main reporting mechanism planned
by dean 10/31/2011 1:00:05 PM

@dean it works if they are battery powered and with a satellite connection ....
by Edano 10/31/2011 1:02:04 PM

it's just amazing to me .. imagine the fax machine waiting to send 100 fax's
by dean 10/31/2011 1:04:59 PM

in my years of emergency training, exercises etc. when something happens for real, the system seems to breakdown. One, of the main reasons is lack of good communicated information up the chain, another is lack of good information from all the safety specialists involved. In case of nuclear, lack of good knowledge base by the people on SOURCE TERM information and then projected plume path, speed and direction and monitoring for real time data.
by dean 10/31/2011 1:09:15 PM

hope this works
by dean 10/31/2011 1:18:04 PM

I ran across this video and didn't know if anyone had seen it
by dean 10/31/2011 1:18:32 PM

www.japantoday.com —

The government on Saturday unveiled its plan to store radioactive soil in storage facilities in Fukushima Prefecture.

Environment Minister Goshi Hosono, who is also the nuclear disaster minister, and Fukushima Gov Yuhei Sato addressed a meeting of the heads of the prefecture’s municipalities in Fukushima City.

At the outset of the meeting, Hosono apologized for the burden being placed on the prefecture as a result of the accident at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, and asked for their understanding and cooperation, NHK reported.

Hosono said that up to 28 million cubic meters of radioactive soil will first be stored for three years in temporary facilities to be built in each municipality. The soil will then be moved in January 2015 to larger facilities to be constructed by the central government within the prefecture, NHK reported.
by dean 10/31/2011 1:25:07 PM

www.japantoday.com —

Japanese lawyers on Sunday launched a legal team to help victims of the Fukushima accident seek compensation from the plant’s operator, Tokyo Electric Power Co, and the national government.

About 30 lawyers, mostly based in the northern Fukushima region, announced at a news conference in Fukushima city that they had set up a new legal advisory team.

In a statement, they vowed to help victims including those engaged in tourism, agriculture and dairy farms whose business has slumped due to fears of radiation from the plant.
by dean 10/31/2011 1:27:34 PM

@dean I think these groups of lawyers may be the most effective effort in all of this. As far as I know people are not obligated to go through the compensation paperwork process and could go straight to court.
by lillymunster 10/31/2011 1:35:04 PM

@lilly.. i hope the lawyers have a deep impact and set the pace
by dean 10/31/2011 1:38:04 PM

@dean the Tokyo bar assoc vowed to help people injured by all of this a while back. Most people have no clue how to navigate the legal system and are at a major disadvantage vs. TEPCO
by lillymunster 10/31/2011 1:39:19 PM

@lilly.. a good cause for a legal defence fund..
by dean 10/31/2011 1:40:41 PM

defense*
by dean 10/31/2011 1:40:47 PM

Just seen tweet from ans.org that Sheffield forgemasters to be given tens of millions to produce reactor parts has anybody any further info
by elainekirk 10/31/2011 1:41:03 PM

www.straitstimes.com march 17 article.. I wondered where the boron came from..Home > Breaking News > World > Story
Mar 17, 2011
France rushes 95 tonnes of boron to Japan

PARIS - FRANCE on Thursday will send a plane carrying 95 tonnes of boron, an element that dampens radiation, to help Japan tackle the crisis at the Fukushima power plant, Energy and Industry Minister Eric Besson said.
by dean 10/31/2011 1:41:35 PM

www.telegraph.co.uk @ elaine
by dean 10/31/2011 1:44:05 PM

@dean why now and why in such a hurry on the Boron? This along with the increasing pressure, radiation, hydrogen?
by lillymunster 10/31/2011 1:47:44 PM

@lilly.. i think the article was on 3-17-11.. for the initial delivery
by dean 10/31/2011 1:51:01 PM

I am surprised that TEPCO didn't say they are increasing the Nitrogen when they talked of increasing hydrogen..
by dean 10/31/2011 1:51:36 PM

@dean Ah, didn't see the date.

@all - in case you missed this last night. They are finding iodine 131 in rice harvested in October??? www.crms-jpn.com
by lillymunster 10/31/2011 1:52:03 PM

@dean I thought they did?

Regarding the hydrogen concentration of the gas management system of the
reactor containment vessel in Unit 2, we confirmed that it increased to
approx. 2.7vol% at 5:00pm on October 30, which was approx. 1vol% at the
beginning of the operation. Therefore we adjusted the amount of injecting
nitrogen gas to the Primary Containment Vessel from approx.16.5 N ㎥/h to
21 N ㎥/h at 6:10 pm on October 30 in order to avoid exceeding the
combustible threshold concentration (4vol%) of hydrogen. www.tepco.co.jp
by lillymunster 10/31/2011 1:53:04 PM

@ all.. I must prepare for the day.. will get back
by dean 10/31/2011 1:53:43 PM

Mainichi article on plutonium & stronium and differing expert opinions mdn.mainichi.jp
by lillymunster 10/31/2011 2:02:35 PM

Found this over the weekend - Citibank says economics on new UK nuclear plants is just not profitable. Ironically they talk about how it would work if taxpayers footed the bill for much of it. www.citigroupgeo.com
by lillymunster 10/31/2011 2:11:34 PM

Found this in an article on reactors in India, it is just me or does this sound like a really bad idea?

They point to a host of safety features, including a ‘core-melt catcher,’ which in the event of a core melt would catch the fuel in a massive tank of water.

the-diplomat.com
by lillymunster 10/31/2011 2:13:38 PM

UK taxpayers will be forced to cover decommissioning costs at Sellafield. www.independent.co.uk
by lillymunster 10/31/2011 2:22:11 PM

@lillymunster i saw an article on phone about sheffield getting millions to produce reactor parts if I find it and we get all these together can you do an article to spread
by elainekirk 10/31/2011 4:01:57 PM

BBC News - More radioactive particles found on Dalgety Bay beach bbc.in
by elainekirk 10/31/2011 4:06:52 PM

@elainekirk I have one scheduled to post in a bit here. I think there was a link for the sheffield one earlier? ooops no, saw your tweet mention. Going to look
by lillymunster 10/31/2011 4:10:53 PM

Found one line in this article

New capacity is planned in UK (Sheffield Forgemasters) and India (Larsen & Toubro, Bharat Heavy Electricals, Bharat Forge Ltd). In China the Harbin Boiler Co. and SEC subsidiary SENPE are increasing capacity.

www.world-nuclear.org

This article also mentions that these next gen reactors EPR and AP1000 require massively more steel and forge size to build.
by lillymunster 10/31/2011 4:14:40 PM

@lillymunster great stuff I am terrible trying to browse internet on phone but saw that then came home and saw your finds thought oooo article
by elainekirk 10/31/2011 4:20:00 PM

What I got out of that article I found is that Sheffield is planning to have the capacity by 2013 to forge EPR or AP1000 reactor vessels. But with EDF putting all 4 reactors on hold would they still do reactor vessels at Sheffield?
by lillymunster 10/31/2011 4:22:31 PM

Added the sheffield info to the article schedule for later today about the UK EDF stoppage and the MOX article on taxpayers paying for it. It also has the Citibank financial forecast that said new nuclear in the UK is not financially smart.
by lillymunster 10/31/2011 4:24:05 PM

The coalition had cancelled an £80m loan to Forgemasters to build parts for nuclear power stations as part of a review of Labour's spending decisions.

Forgemasters said the newer, smaller loan would be used to prepare for future contracts. www.bbc.co.uk the new loan is 36 million
by elainekirk 10/31/2011 4:24:14 PM

There is a lot of animosity to the govs (englands) plan for more npp's so methinks maybe this is their way of starting the ball rolling without saying so.
nobod seems to be asking where forgemasters hope to get orders from and throwing 36million at them without a plan seems iffy ..... methinks a done deal for parts manufacture for new plants is happening
by elainekirk 10/31/2011 4:27:20 PM