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  • any new info yet ?
    by elainekirk 11/2/2011 1:26:43 PM

  • one thing in the commercial world.. as new fuel designs or cladding designs come on board,, they are usually "tested" in an operating reactor ... something that is not so good in my opinion..
    by dean 11/2/2011 1:27:43 PM

  • I haven't been snooping around @elaine.. Edano and I have been discussing below...
    by dean 11/2/2011 1:28:17 PM

  • water is increasing in the #2 trench www.tepco.co.jp
    by elainekirk 11/2/2011 1:28:49 PM

  • @Edano.. one thing in commercial fuel,,, "if" there is a cladding problem the heat transfer efficiency is lost and local cladding burnout can happen
    by dean 11/2/2011 1:31:31 PM

  • @elaine, maybe from all the water and spray and boric acid?
    by dean 11/2/2011 1:31:50 PM

  • these are results of gas in #2 sampled OCT 28th
    www.tepco.co.jp
    they have just been published
    the gas for Nov 1st is this doc
    www.tepco.co.jp
    by elainekirk 11/2/2011 1:32:30 PM

  • * = under evaluation... really may mean .. under revision
    by dean 11/2/2011 1:35:55 PM

  • www.tepco.co.jp
    we now have an English version of the expanding foam magic full doc
    www.tepco.co.jp

    by elainekirk via Tepco.co.jp 11/2/2011 1:36:23 PM

  • why that data is simply impossible.. we're in cold shutdown.. BANG the instrument something is wrong.. hmmmmmm
    by dean 11/2/2011 1:36:44 PM

  • theory for what pellets are left and haven't melted, they are all going through some form of corrosion on the cladding and we will probably begin to see some sporadic breach of cladding and subsequent release of fission products into the reactor/building/environment
    by dean 11/2/2011 1:38:39 PM

  • IEEE outlines some predictions of the future at daiichi spectrum.ieee.org
    by lillymunster 11/2/2011 1:39:49 PM

  • @lilly.. intersting.. our collective could come up with ours..
    by dean 11/2/2011 1:45:28 PM

  • @lilly.. make a sticky pad on the ongoing corrosion of fuel pellet cladding.. I think something will happen there .... just my gut feeling..
    by dean 11/2/2011 1:46:33 PM

  • More on the Setagaya hot spot. mdn.mainichi.jp

    So why is Tokyo full of radium dumped into the ground?
    by lillymunster 11/2/2011 1:46:48 PM

  • @dean will gather comments - then stick a link to them up top
    by lillymunster 11/2/2011 1:47:16 PM

  • @lillymunster because it has been long practice in Japan to mix rubble for road surfaces and concrete
    by elainekirk 11/2/2011 1:49:45 PM

  • Conventionally, the gross radioactivity of a reactor coolant and/or the off-gases from the reactor are monitored during operation. An abrupt rise in radioactivity indicates that a cladding leak has occurred somewhere in the system. Experimentalreactors are thereupon shut down and the offending element is removed from the system and replaced. Operation of power reactors is usually continued with the leaker present -- frequently with a number of leakers present -- either until a scheduledshutdown occurs or until the gross radioactivity of the coolant and off-gas becomes too high to tolerate. After shutdown all offending elements are removed and replaced.

    In both cases identification of the failed fuel elements is necessary. Attempts have been made in the past to monitor the coolant exiting each subassembly in the reactor to determine directly the location of the failed fuel element. Unfortunately, success in this can only be attained with equipment which is extremely complex mechanically.

    Identification is accomplished in most commercial light-water reactors by a technique known as "sipping". Following shutdown of the reactor the coolant in each subassembly is sampled and the sample is checked for certain radioactive fissionproducts.
    by dean 11/2/2011 1:50:55 PM

  • @dean they are running blind what happened to all the talk from iaea and gov about expert advisers going in? that died a death did tepco refuse entry?
    by elainekirk 11/2/2011 1:53:14 PM

  • “Given the signs, it’s certain that fission is occurring,” Junichi Matsumoto, a general manager at Tepco who regularly talks to the media, told reporters in Tokyo today. There’s been no large-scale or sustained criticality and no increase in radiation, he said.
    Fission taking place in the reactor can lead to increases in radiation emissions and raises concerns about further leaks after another radioactive hot spot was discovered in Tokyo on Oct. 29. It’s possible there are similar reactions occurring in the No. 1 and No. 3 reactors, the other cores damaged at the station, Matsumoto said. www.bloomberg.com
    by elainekirk 11/2/2011 1:54:57 PM

  • @elaine.. we don't hear much about Japan accepting all this so called help at the facilities much less at the ministry levels.. it's complicated I'm sure
    by dean 11/2/2011 1:55:48 PM

  • "possible" being the operative @ elaine.. he doesn't know for sure
    by dean 11/2/2011 1:56:41 PM

  • @dean I think Japan have agreed it is tepco who haven't
    by elainekirk 11/2/2011 1:57:29 PM

  • @lilly.. one of the common failure modes of cladding is HYDRIDING.. and with the fuel pellets in such a disarray with who knows what kinds of corrosive conditions..... if we start tracking these episodes over time we may be on to something for predictions on cladding breaches
    by dean 11/2/2011 1:59:52 PM

  • @dean Did you catch that they are putting hydrazine into #2 now?
    by lillymunster 11/2/2011 2:01:15 PM

  • www.msnbc.msn.com tritium leaks found at 48 US nuke sites,,,,, @ LILLY for reading
    by dean 11/2/2011 2:03:18 PM

  • no @ lilly.. there ya go..
    by dean 11/2/2011 2:03:31 PM


  • Hydrazine,
    is:

    ... a colourless flammable liquid with an ammonia-like odor and is derived from the same industrial chemistry processes that manufacture ammonia. However, hydrazine has physical properties that are closer to those of water.

    Hydrazine is highly toxic and dangerously unstable, and is usually handled while in solution for safety reasons.

    Hydrazine is used within both nuclear and conventional electrical power plant steam cycles to control concentrations of dissolved oxygen in an effort to reduce corrosion.
    by dean 11/2/2011 2:05:22 PM

  • they have dumped hydrazine in the SFP's in the past also
    by dean 11/2/2011 2:06:07 PM

  • @lilly, elaine,,,, question of the day. how many fissions occur in a shutdown reactor per minute...
    by dean 11/2/2011 2:11:00 PM

  • They initially were putting hydrazine into 3, it was soon after that people had lots of sore throats and nosebleeds. I think if these symptoms were not due to fallout they were due to hydrazine in the steam released.
    by lillymunster 11/2/2011 2:11:35 PM

  • that is a normal reactor.. BWR..
    by dean 11/2/2011 2:11:37 PM

  • ooooh pop quizzes. I need more coffee. :-)
    by lillymunster 11/2/2011 2:11:53 PM

  • second question.. how many fissions occur in fukushima demolished shutdown reactor per minute..
    by dean 11/2/2011 2:12:16 PM

  • &(__).. full cups to all...
    by dean 11/2/2011 2:12:56 PM

  • @dean erm
    by elainekirk 11/2/2011 2:19:18 PM

  • @elaine.. tell TEPCO we want to know all the other fission fragments that should have been emitted if there were fissions from criticality.. Yield Isotope
    0.0508% selenium-79
    0.2717% krypton-85
    5.7518% strontium-90
    6.2956% zirconium-93
    6.0507% technetium-99
    0.3912% ruthenium-106
    0.1629% palladium-107
    0.0003% cadmium-113m
    0.0297% antimony-125
    0.0236% tin-126
    0.6576% iodine-129
    2.8336% iodine-131
    6.7896% caesium-133 → caesium-134
    6.3333% iodine-135 → xenon-135 → caesium-135
    6.0899% caesium-137
    2.2713% promethium-147
    1.0888% samarium-149
    0.4203% samarium-151
    0.0330% europium-155 → gadolinium-155
    0.0065% gadolinium-157
    by dean 11/2/2011 2:19:32 PM

  • @dean I will drop them a line, just hope they don't send me complimentary bottled water
    by elainekirk 11/2/2011 2:20:31 PM

  • www-pub.iaea.org @lilly for hydriding
    by dean 11/2/2011 2:20:32 PM

  • lol @ elaine or some SUSHI
    by dean 11/2/2011 2:24:03 PM

  • @elainekirk they are going to start selling it as "radium water" :-)
    \
    by lillymunster 11/2/2011 2:24:47 PM

  • I wonder if they are selling the 'nearly new' facemasks on ebay
    by elainekirk 11/2/2011 2:27:17 PM

  • www.cedengineering.com @lilly and elaine.. check the SUBCRITICAL MULTIPLICATION SECTION..
    by dean 11/2/2011 2:28:46 PM

  • A NEW PRODUCT..CCWFIC.... clean contaminate water for ironing cloths.. better than distilled.. all germs dead
    by dean 11/2/2011 2:29:51 PM

  • I better take off for gym... it's so nice to be back... will return ..
    by dean 11/2/2011 2:30:33 PM

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