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  • What a 'red flag warning', for southern CA region???? sdcountyemergency.com
    by MaryW 11/2/2011 12:24:59 AM

  • Ammonia can be very toxic. They had an ammonia leak at the meat packing plant in town. Many ended up in the hospital, they had to evacuate the entire place and they ended up getting huge fines over it.
    by lillymunster 11/2/2011 12:27:03 AM

  • Red flag warning is for wild fires
    by MaryW 11/2/2011 12:27:54 AM

  • @all We're expecting Santa Ana winds for the next 24 hrs. It's a cooler system and thankfully short.
    by LM 11/2/2011 12:30:34 AM

  • ammonia is not flammable, only in pure oxygen.
    by Edano 11/2/2011 12:30:35 AM

  • but very toxic and environment damaging.
    by Edano 11/2/2011 12:33:20 AM

  • San Onofre-- A letter sent from the NRC Region IV office to plant officials addresses the performance
    of the plant during 2010 www.nrc.gov
    by elainekirk 11/2/2011 12:34:30 AM

  • by Edano via Upload.wikimedia.org 11/2/2011 12:35:22 AM

  • @elainekirk Hello there
    by bojack54 11/2/2011 12:39:16 AM

  • Have a write up on what we know and the INES and NRC levels. I think the media has no clue what they are talking about. That is extremely scary that the media has no clue about nuclear emergency levels....

    There was an accident at the San Onofre nuclear power plant in California. The plant is in the NW corner of San Diego county on the ocean front. Reports state that ammonia at the plant used to purify the steam system leaked at the unit 3 turbine building. The plant is telling officials that it is on the "non-nuclear" side of the systems and that the reactor is still running. The reactor in question is a Combustion Engineering PWR.

    "The County of San Diego, in response to the alert, has activated and staffed the Operational Area Emergency Operations Center with county agency representatives, in order that it may be prepared should the situation at the power plant deteriorate. All resources and support personnel have been identified and are on standby, ready to be mobilized, if needed." link

    NBC Los Angeles calls it an "Alert"
    LA Times has called it both a "Level 3 Emergency" and a "Level 2 Emergency"
    San Diego County EMS is calling it an "Alert"
    Huffington Post is calling it a "Level 3 Alert"

    No outlet or official has clarified what emergency scale they are using. There is an INES scale and also the NRC alert level scale.

    Unusual Event
    This is the lowest of the four emergency classifications. This classification indicates that a small problem has occurred. No radiation leak is expected and federal, state and county officials are notified.

    NRC Alerts
    Events are in process or have occurred which involve an actual or potential substantial degradation of the level of safety of the plant. Any releases expected to be limited to small fractions of the EPA Protective Action Guideline exposure level

    NRC Site Area Emergencies
    Events are in process or have occurred which involve actual or likely major failures of plant functions needed for protection of the public. Any releases not expected to exceed EPA Protective Action Guideline exposure levels except near site boundary.

    NRC General Emergencies
    Events are in process or have occurred which involve actual or imminent substantial core degradation or melting with potential for loss of containment integrity. Releases can be reasonably expected to exceed EPA Protective Action Guideline exposure levels offsite for more than the immediate site area.

    Below is the INES scale that is a number system of 1-7. Just levels 2 and 3 are posted since those relate to some of the vague media claims.
    Level 3: Serious incident
    Impact on people and environment
    Exposure in excess of ten times the statutory annual limit for workers.
    Non-lethal deterministic health effect (e.g., burns) from radiation.
    Impact on radiological barriers and control
    Exposure rates of more than 1 Sv/h in an operating area.
    Severe contamination in an area not expected by design, with a low probability of ­significant public exposure.
    Impact on defence-in-depth
    Near accident at a nuclear power plant with no safety provisions remaining.
    Lost or stolen highly radioactive sealed source.
    Misdelivered highly radioactive sealed source without adequate procedures in place to handle it.
    Examples:
    THORP plant Sellafield (United Kingdom) – 2005.
    Paks Nuclear Power Plant (Hungary), 2003; fuel rod damage in cleaning tank.
    Vandellos Nuclear Power Plant (Spain), 1989; fire destroyed many control systems; the reactor was shut down.
    San Onofre Nuclear Generating Station (United States), 2011; Ammonia leak. No evacuation called for.
    Level 2: Incident
    Impact on people and environment
    Exposure of a member of the public in excess of 10 mSv.
    Exposure of a worker in excess of the statutory annual limits.
    Impact on radiological barriers and control
    Radiation levels in an operating area of more than 50 mSv/h.
    Significant contamination within the facility into an area not expected by design.
    Impact on defence-in-depth
    Significant failures in safety ­provisions but with no actual ­consequences.
    Found highly radioactive sealed orphan source, device or transport package with safety provisions intact.
    Inadequate packaging of a highly radioactive sealed source.
    Examples:
    Blayais Nuclear Power Plant flood (France) December 1999
    Ascó Nuclear Power Plant (Spain) April 2008; radioactive contamination.
    Forsmark Nuclear Power Plant (Sweden) July 2006; backup generator failure.

    What we currently know looks like possibly a NRC Alert, NRC Alerts DO NOT HAVE NUMBERS attached to them. The INES number scale of 2 or 3 does not fit with what is currently being told to the public.
    by lillymunster 11/2/2011 12:39:40 AM

  • If there is something to add right now let me know or if I messed up something, otherwise I want to get this posted asap - hoping it might clear up some confusion thanks to the media
    by lillymunster 11/2/2011 12:40:35 AM

  • Xenon being found in unit 2 - boron being added, admitted fission is back on www3.nhk.or.jp
    by lillymunster 11/2/2011 12:41:56 AM

  • "...leaked ammonia has been contained and...now ventilating the building." twitter.com!/SanDiegoCounty/statuses/131528581787553793
    by MaryW 11/2/2011 12:45:37 AM

  • Wasn't there a change at unit 2 recently?
    by lillymunster 11/2/2011 12:46:09 AM

  • @lillymunster edano is your man I think I seem to recall soomething just a mo. UYour san onofre looks good
    by elainekirk 11/2/2011 12:47:06 AM

  • Looking at the scales I think it was an NRC alert - that level doesn't have the radiation releases or large disaster things tied to it like the iNES levels did. In short some of the media are clueless. :-)
    by lillymunster 11/2/2011 12:51:26 AM

  • U.S.NRC info on Unit 3. www.nrc.gov
    by MaryW 11/2/2011 12:51:41 AM

  • @lillymunster I believe you are correct. The alert is the NRC's Level 3
    by MaryW 11/2/2011 12:52:27 AM

  • #2 lost pressure last 4 days.
    by Edano 11/2/2011 12:52:42 AM

  • So are they trying to redirect our attention to #3?
    by MaryW 11/2/2011 12:53:30 AM

  • UNIT 2
    3pm oct 28th
    At 12:53 pm on October 28, we activated the exhaust fan of the gas
    management system of the reactor containment vessel in the reactor
    building and started test operation.
    At 12:53 pm on October 28, we activated the exhaust fan of the gas
    management system of the reactor containment vessel in the reactor
    building and started test operation. As we confirmed stable operation of
    the system, from 6:00 pm on the same day, we put the system in operation.
    oct 30th
    Regarding the hydrogen concentration of the gas management system of the
    reactor containment vessel in Unit 2, we confirmed that it increased to
    approx. 2.3vol% at 5:00pm on 29 October, which was approx. 1vol% at the
    beginning of the operation. Therefore we adjusted the amount of injecting
    nitrogen gas from approx.14 Nm3/h to 16.5 Nm3/h in order to avoid
    exceeding the combustible threshold concentration (4vol%) of hydrogen.
    oct 31st
    Regarding the hydrogen concentration of the gas management system of the
    reactor containment vessel in Unit 2, we confirmed that it increased to
    approx. 2.7vol% at 5:00pm on October 30, which was approx. 1vol% at the
    beginning of the operation. Therefore we adjusted the amount of injecting
    nitrogen gas to the Primary Containment Vessel from approx.16.5 N ㎥/h to
    21 N ㎥/h at 6:10 pm on October 30 in order to avoid exceeding the
    combustible threshold concentration (4vol%) of hydrogen.
    oct 31st
    (From 10:12 am to 11:50 am on Octorber 31,
    hydrazine [corrosion preventive] was also injected).
    nov 1st
    -From 11:23 am to 1:23 pm on November 1, we conducted a dust sampling
    around the blowout panel of the reactor building.
    by elainekirk 11/2/2011 12:55:04 AM

  • @MaryW NRC doesn't have numbers. Unusual event-Alert-Site Area Emergency-General emergency. Only INES has numbers. IT is confusing. I would expect the media though to look it up before they publish. :-)
    by lillymunster 11/2/2011 12:59:05 AM

  • @Edano any thoughts on 2 losing pressure and gaining fission?
    by lillymunster 11/2/2011 1:00:02 AM

  • @lillymunster not really. temps are constant, slightly rising.
    by Edano 11/2/2011 1:01:13 AM

  • Like a degree or two?
    by lillymunster 11/2/2011 1:01:58 AM

  • radiation steadily decreasing.
    by Edano 11/2/2011 1:02:04 AM

  • @lillymunster I reread the Huffington Post article that Edano posted a bit ago. It does state the INE level 3.
    by MaryW 11/2/2011 1:02:35 AM

  • @lillymunster half a degree within in 6 hours. (max)
    by Edano 11/2/2011 1:04:14 AM

  • @MaryW yes, but they are wrong. :)
    by Edano 11/2/2011 1:04:45 AM

  • @Edano You know, most everything in news this year tends to contradict itself :))
    by MaryW 11/2/2011 1:05:51 AM

  • @lillymunster rpv supporting skirt top shows a plus of 1.1 degrees within 6 hours.
    by Edano 11/2/2011 1:06:21 AM

  • Yep - reread the huffpo article they do say INES - there is no author cited for the post either. If you look at the definition of INES 3 they are way off. houseoffoust.com
    by lillymunster 11/2/2011 1:06:27 AM

  • so if there are still rest of rods in the rpv, they might be heating up again.
    by Edano 11/2/2011 1:09:53 AM

  • I am sure Rense.com will be telling everyone that all of CA is doomed in a few hours. :-)
    by lillymunster 11/2/2011 1:10:42 AM

  • @Edano will be interesting to see how it goes over the next few days.
    by lillymunster 11/2/2011 1:11:25 AM

  • @lillymunster just came in new data. now there is an increase of 5.6 degrees in rpv support skirt.
    by Edano 11/2/2011 1:15:15 AM

  • by Edano via Houseoffoust 11/2/2011 1:15:42 AM

  • @Edano hmmm - is that 6 hour time frame again?
    by lillymunster 11/2/2011 1:15:59 AM

  • @lillymunster yes. last reading 23:00 now 5:00.
    by Edano 11/2/2011 1:16:50 AM

  • and another meter rises by 1.3 degrees. but 5.6 is quite a lot.
    by Edano 11/2/2011 1:18:05 AM

  • JUst to keep the heads spinning...TEPCO finds sign of fresh nuclear fission at Fukushima Reactor. Nov 02.2011 english.kyodonews.jp
    by MaryW 11/2/2011 1:21:28 AM

  • TEPCO finds sign of fresh nuclear fission at Fukushima reactor

    TOKYO, Nov. 2, Kyodo

    Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Wednesday there may be signs of fresh nuclear fission in the No. 2 reactor at its quake-damaged Fukushima Daiichi power plant and that it has begun injecting boric acid to control a possible nuclear reaction.

    There has been no change in the temperature, pressure and radiation levels at the reactor, whose nuclear fuel is believed to have melted when the cooling system failed following the March 11 earthquake and tsunami, the utility known as TEPCO said.

    Gas samples taken Tuesday from inside the reactor's containment vessel may contain radioactive xenon, a gas typically generated by nuclear fission, the company said. english.kyodonews.jp
    by Edano 11/2/2011 1:23:12 AM

  • @Edano thanks, I don't know how to do that.
    by MaryW 11/2/2011 1:24:01 AM

  • "may contain xenon" ???? may or does contain ?
    by Edano 11/2/2011 1:24:53 AM

  • very concerning.
    by Edano 11/2/2011 1:26:05 AM

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