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@lillymunster, certainly I see value in the work Bobby1 is doing as it does provides hints. While it doesn't prove or disprove anything it can give you some leads that you may find correlating with other data points. Speaking of which and to provide a source for the rain-out in the Rockies that seemingly correlates with Bobby1's data, It was Arnie who mentioned it when summarizing Marco Kaltofen's analysis given to the APHA. Arnie states, "But we can be sure that the radiation did reach here and that there will be an increase in cancers, especially on the West Coast where the Rocky Mountains stopped most of the radiation and deposited it on the ground." He also specifically mentions deposition along the Cascades saying, "There is also data that indicates contamination on the ground in the Cascades, which are a mountain range right up against the Pacific Ocean." Both of those quotes are from this video: fairewinds.com
by tippytoe 11/9/2011 10:07:56 PM

@tippytoe I need to look into that weather data. When the larger volumes were coming over the US, we have massive regional rain from Montana over to Iowa for about 2 weeks straight. I hadn't thought to look to see if there was more rain further west that could have pulled more out of the air. The Norwegian models had shown the northern plains getting heavy concentration.

by lillymunster 11/9/2011 10:20:43 PM

www3.nhk.or.jp

Aeon releases results of radiation checks on food

The Aeon supermarket chain has disclosed the results of its voluntary radiation tests of food products.

Aeon has been measuring the radiation levels of foods, including rice, vegetables and domestically-produced beef, since the nuclear accident occurred at the Fukushima Daiichi plant in March.

The supermarket chain has stopped selling products that contain a minimum of 50 becquerels per kilogram of radioactive substances. The level is one-tenth of the government's provisional standard.

Aeon decided to display the test results at its 1,000 stores nationwide and on its website because of the deep public concern about the radioactive contamination of food.

In early November, Aeon detected radioactive cesium in Pacific cod and rice from Fukushima Prefecture, in bonito from Iwate Prefecture and in tuna from Miyagi Prefecture.

The company says customers can see a list of food products that contain radioactive substances as well as their radioactivity levels and production areas.

Wednesday, November 09, 2011 07:22 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp
by Edano via Www3.nhk.or.jp 11/9/2011 10:30:57 PM

Govt to bring view on low-level radiation impact

Japan's government plans to disclose its view on the health impact of low-level radiation exposure from the Fukushima nuclear accident.

The government held its first meeting of a 9-member expert team to study the radiation impact on Wednesday evening, attended by Goshi Hosono, the minister in charge of the nuclear crisis.

The panelists agreed to formulate a view as early as the beginning of December on the impact on human health of radiation levels of 20 millisieverts per year. That's the exposure limit used by the Japanese government to specify the evacuation zone around the stricken Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant.

The panelists also agreed to hear opinions from experts who are critical of the government's policies, as well as from specialists overseas.

After achieving a cold shutdown of the disabled reactors, the government is to review the 20km no-entry zone surrounding the nuclear plant.

Thursday, November 10, 2011 06:30 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp
by Edano 11/9/2011 10:35:13 PM

@Edano reviewing the zone seems to feature often how long before they send people back in there
by elainekirk 11/9/2011 10:40:27 PM

38 minutes ago south of the Mariana Islands M5.7
that is south of guam.
by Edano 11/9/2011 10:41:02 PM

Who is on that committee?
by lillymunster 11/9/2011 10:43:06 PM

Aeon.info is Aeon's website but I can't find the radiation testing results on it? I may have found it here www.aeonretail.jp
by lillymunster 11/9/2011 10:49:25 PM

@lillymunster i remember they excluded operators of nuke plants and included anti-nuke scientists.
by Edano 11/9/2011 10:50:08 PM

@Edano that is a relief what about people like Dr. 100mSv?
by lillymunster 11/9/2011 10:51:12 PM

@lillymunster nonono :)
by Edano 11/9/2011 10:51:37 PM

but i cannot find the exact composition of the committee.
by Edano 11/9/2011 10:52:26 PM

I think I found Aeon's food results! www.aeon.jp
by lillymunster 11/9/2011 10:54:35 PM

@lillymunster yep
by Edano 11/9/2011 10:55:42 PM

They are detecting iodine in non store brand rice www.aeon.jp

Working on translating - no iodine found in that rice as of yet. There was some with cesium.
by lillymunster 11/9/2011 10:56:09 PM

@tippytoe, a problem with the mortality data Bobby1 has assembled is that there's no plausible mechanism for fallout at the levels found in the U.S. to kill adults almost immediately. Apart from acute-radiation poisoning (like atom-bomb victims and Chernobyl liquidators suffered), people are not going to start dropping like flies, even in Japan. Any who do die in the U.S. / Canada due to the low levels of fallout here would most likely die in 10-20 years from now of cancer. Leukemia would be he only short-term cancer effect.
The only mortality data that might be affected by Fukushima now and in the near future is infant/prenatal mortality.
by Ian 11/9/2011 10:56:41 PM

Fukushima rice with 30 bq/kg of cesium 137 another brand of Fukushima rice with 15 bq/kg cesium 134
by lillymunster 11/9/2011 11:01:39 PM

@tippytoe, thanks for the update. I didn't read your comment to me before writing the comment just below. Infant mortality is what's meaningful to track in the U.S. / Canada. But we also need as broad views of data as possible to look for trends on larger time scales to avoid false positives.
by Ian 11/9/2011 11:01:45 PM

3 deaths in turkey quake.
by Edano 11/9/2011 11:05:11 PM

Another thing to consider is that increasing adult mortality is almost an argument against any increasing infant mortality being associated with Fukushima, since it would imply some other global non-Fukushima cause affects all ages, given that there's no plausible mechanism for the low levels of fallout in the U.S. / Canada to kill adults in a few months.
by Ian 11/9/2011 11:05:32 PM

@Ian, I agree that sudden deaths of adults can probably not be attributed to fallout, except perhaps in the cases where those adults were already in bad health. It is interesting to see that infant mortality is rising, which might make sense as it seems there would be a bit of a lag. Fetuses that were more fully developed early on probably were affected less. Keep in mind that Bobby1 is comparing the stats to last year's data. My guess is that there is likely a general rise in mortality across the board due to the economic crisis -- lost jobs, increased stress, less money, worse diets, etc...
by tippytoe 11/9/2011 11:12:27 PM

I think with radiation that the only way forward is to get fuku brought under control then get people to wise up and use geigers wherever they are and map them globally
by elainekirk 11/10/2011 12:00:44 AM

@elainekirk I would love to see safecast go global and down to the street level.
by lillymunster 11/10/2011 12:01:39 AM

Global nuclear power output to rise over 70% by 2035: IEA

LONDON, Nov. 9, Kyodo english.kyodonews.jp
by Edano 11/10/2011 12:02:50 AM

not sure on how they count bushehr.... + or - ?
by Edano 11/10/2011 12:03:33 AM

Idaho lab confirms 6 workers exposed to radiation from plutonium

LOS ANGELES, Nov. 9, Kyodo english.kyodonews.jp
by Edano 11/10/2011 12:04:46 AM

I find it so galling when the few make these pronouncements without mandate from the people it is our damn planet too
by elainekirk 11/10/2011 12:05:38 AM

@elainekirk sometimes I think the only way to fight back is to stop buying their product.
by lillymunster 11/10/2011 12:11:57 AM

@lillymunster imagine how many nukes are just powering the internet ....
by Edano 11/10/2011 12:20:26 AM

@Edano stop that ...noooooooooooo
by elainekirk 11/10/2011 12:31:20 AM

@Edano ack! demand renewable powered packets!
by lillymunster 11/10/2011 12:38:42 AM

Went through the Aeon stores food testing. It seemed to fall mostly along the lines of where we know it to be considerably contaminated is making contaminated food.

Fukushima rice Shine Orimase 30 bq/kg cesium 137
Fukushima rice Koshihika Orimase 15 bq/kg cesium 134
Non-store brand rice from other places showed none detected
Store brand rice from Shiga was below their detectible limits

Store brand produce from Gunma and Mie was all none detected with minimal levels detected listed that were below 20 bq/kg
Non - store brand produce from Chiba, Ibaraki, Saitama, Tochigi

Store brand beef from Miyazaki, Kagoshima, Nagano, Ibaraki all under store non-detected limits all under 20 bq/kg

Non-store brand beef from "North Sea" below limits of detection.

Fish from Iwate (Ofunato) - 9.3 bq/kg (C-134) and 11 bq/kg (C-137), Miyagi (Shiogama) 11 bq/kg - had fish with small levels detected.
Fish from Miyagi (Ishinomaki) Had near 50 bq/kg cesium 134 & 137 in "Shinta". They also list the location fished at.

www.aeon.jp
by lillymunster 11/10/2011 12:57:44 AM

what happens if a bag of rice is below the limit but the contamination is concentrated and one serving contains over?
by elainekirk 11/10/2011 1:31:35 AM

Idaho defective plutonium container incident www.reuters.com
by artnuke 11/10/2011 1:31:42 AM

Went through the Aeon stores food testing. It seemed to fall mostly along the lines of where we know it to be considerably contaminated is making contaminated food.

Fukushima rice Shine Orimase 30 bq/kg cesium 137
Fukushima rice Koshihika Orimase 15 bq/kg cesium 134
Non-store brand rice from other places showed none detected
Store brand rice from Shiga was below their detectible limits
by artnuke 11/10/2011 1:32:09 AM

And do they just check radiation levels? what if it is str or pu ? I cannot see how any food contaminated with radiation is safe
by elainekirk 11/10/2011 1:33:08 AM

Ahem.

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No more "houseoffoust" being tangled in the simplyinfo.org addresses!!
Whooo Hooo!
by lillymunster 11/10/2011 1:35:52 AM

@artnuke I don't know any people living off banana's!!! that is like saying that because vitamin A is good for you , it may well be but it will kill you if you have too much
by elainekirk 11/10/2011 1:36:07 AM

@lillymunster CONGRATULATIONS
by elainekirk 11/10/2011 1:36:28 AM

@artnuke What is in a banana won't do the things to a human body that the cesium etc. will.
by lillymunster 11/10/2011 1:36:43 AM

@elainekirk GoDaddy was no help at all. One tech tried to tell me it was google's fault another told me I can't do it and all sites would be stuck reverting back to my initial domain. I finally found a tutorial someone just posted online with the fix.
by lillymunster 11/10/2011 1:37:55 AM

i think all banana dose posts are to be deleted instantly. same with hormesis.
by Edano 11/10/2011 1:37:58 AM

there are columns for CS-134, CS-137 and iodine 131 for the beef in this table, looks lik 9 bq per kg worth of I-131, but why should there be any if the half-life of I131 is in days? That would mean there's enough new I131 showing up in the environment to only keep staying in live meat, but even for the few days it takes to get from the slaughterhouse to the store and the detection lab. Is 't the official story that there is only a tiny bit of residual fission going on? Difference is in a properly shut down plant, all that "residual" bad stuff would be isolated in fuel rod cladding and an airtight pressure vessel, not melted into bits on the floor. www.aeon.jp
by artnuke 11/10/2011 1:41:25 AM

@elainekirk good question on the rice. I am not sure how Aeon is selecting products. They had said they put more limits and oversight from buyers on their store brand items. So one would assume all rice from a far flung area that tested low or none would have little potential to cause a concentration problem. Rice from a questionable area that is more widely co-mingled has that potential. I have a big issue with co-mingled food. It has been the cause of most of the big food illness outbreaks in the US where they take massive lots of food from various places and mix them all together before they portion them out for sale. With contaminated rice it wouldn't contaminate the clean pieces of rice unless the contamination was in the dust on the rice. Co-mingling just makes it impossible to isolate the bad product and creates much more risk
by lillymunster 11/10/2011 1:43:30 AM

@artnuke right hand column is their minimal detectible limit with their machine, left side column under each isotope is the actual detected limit. If it has writing instead of numbers in that left column that is non detected.
by lillymunster 11/10/2011 1:44:36 AM