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  • @Bo, have you heard anything about the anecdotal evidence of people getting radiation related illnesses. There are tons of anecdotal stories and some comments from healthcare workers about leukemia being up considerably. these kinds or reports are all over twitter and blogs. Really hard to sort out if they show a trend or not.
    by lillymunster 11/8/2011 2:32:26 PM

  • @lillymunster low life scum
    by elainekirk 11/8/2011 2:32:50 PM

  • @lillymunster, so it's more to do with having to access more radioactive areas than that areas are getting more radioactive.
    by Ian 11/8/2011 2:34:56 PM

  • @lillymunster, there's a report about some media guy in Japan who regularly advertised himself eating Fukushima produce getting some from of attributable sickness. I can hunt it down if it's news to you.
    by Ian 11/8/2011 2:36:29 PM

  • @lillymunster I have been away from Japan for all but two weeks since mid-August, so I haven't heard much here. But one of the conferences that I will attend later this month is primarily of epidemiologist, so I will pose that question. I have mostly just read what you all have read. I can also pose the question to my friend who is an expert from Kazakhstan, although he is often slow to respond. Surely if there is a related population it is in Semipalatinsk, more so than Chernobyl.
    by bo 11/8/2011 2:37:23 PM

  • @Ian yes I saw the story about the TV personality getting acute leukemia and was promoting Fukushima produce. Supposedly acute leukemia is extremely rare in adults.
    by lillymunster 11/8/2011 2:39:43 PM

  • @bo Thanks, I keep going back to info on Semipalatinsk it really does seem to fit more than Chernobyl and the data from Semipaltinsk is so different and seems less prone to manipulation.

    I see more and more people worrying about these illness stories and having members of the emperor's family being sick with them also is starting to really worry people. Meanwhile the govt seems to be playing the denial card again.
    by lillymunster 11/8/2011 2:42:29 PM

  • @lillymunster the sad truth is that we know what will unfold. The press will take a long time to get up to speed on this, and the government will just deny it. There will be no public acknowledgement of this until the statistical data is in, about 20 years from now, just like Chernobyl. But Semipalatinsk is probably the place most contaminated with alpha emitters in the world, and with a significant population living in contaminated areas.
    by bo 11/8/2011 2:48:14 PM

  • @lillymunster, idiots like him seem to've been living in la la land, hello! Radiation is real!
    by Ian 11/8/2011 2:48:19 PM

  • Check this out, it seems that you can see the ladder that goes into the pool at the NW edge of SFP3 here: www.youtube.com If so, it really gives a sense of context, of how massive the objects we're seeing really are.
    by Ian 11/8/2011 2:50:35 PM

  • @bo, I got a hard copy of this study www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov on Semipalatinsk at the library from a Russian journal. It's on esophageal cancer and radiation exposure, it's in English despite that most of the studies in the journal are in Russian.
    by Ian 11/8/2011 2:54:24 PM

  • @Ian Fitter thought that was a cable rack. We saw pieces of this when they sent the bots inside 3. They are used to support all the cabling running through the plant. They are slightly narrower than a ladder, the cable rack sections in the bot video compared to scale of the door looked to be about 1 ft. wide most ladders are 1.5 to 2 feet wide. still shows a pretty massive scale difference.
    by lillymunster 11/8/2011 2:56:22 PM

  • Atomic spiders in Iitate, cue the b-movie references! 1000x concentration of radioactive silver. ex-skf.blogspot.com
    by lillymunster 11/8/2011 3:01:40 PM

  • @Ian very interesting. I'm sure much of the original study was work conducted by my friend Dr. Bigaliyev. He has been doing genetic studies of humans, plants and animals in those towns for almost 40 years.
    by bo 11/8/2011 3:02:13 PM

  • Here's a quote from this study oem.bmj.com that points to an important aspect of Semipalatinsk, which is that slow dose-rates may be more harmful than fast-dose rates:

    "The second study included residents of northern Kazakhstan
    who were exposed to the fallout and also to external radiation
    from atomic bomb explosions performed at the nuclear
    Semipalatinsk test site.[12] The best estimate of the excess relative
    cancer mortality risk per dose was considerably higher than that
    for the atomic bomb survivors.
    "

    [12] Bauer S, Gusev BI, Pivina LM, et al. Radiation exposure due to local fallout from Soviet atmospheric nuclear weapons testing in Kazakhstan: Solid cancer mortality in the Semipalatinsk historical cohort, 1960–1999. Radiat Res 2005;164:409–19.
    by Ian 11/8/2011 3:02:15 PM

  • by lillymunster via 1.bp.blogspot 11/8/2011 3:03:54 PM

  • Significant rise in cancer risk within 5 years after exposure to ‘low-dose’ radiation — 12% increase after 40 millisieverts: enenews.com
    by bo 11/8/2011 3:04:46 PM

  • @Ian that study quote may also reflect that most of the casualties in Hiroshima and Nagasaki were from gamma and beta exposures, while many of the deaths and illness in Semipalatinsk were from internalized alpha emitters.
    by bo 11/8/2011 3:06:46 PM

  • @bo, yeah, emphasizing the difference between external and internal. Fortunately Fukushima may not have output as much alpha emitters. Not to minimize, but that's my understanding.
    by Ian 11/8/2011 3:08:30 PM

  • Well, in Semipalatinsk we are talking about dozens of tests, including monstrously large h-bombs, over several decades. That is an immense amount of contamination.
    by bo 11/8/2011 3:09:44 PM

  • Minamata disease exhibit offers lessons to radiation-hit Fukushima

    TOKYO, Nov. 8, Kyodo english.kyodonews.jp
    by Edano 11/8/2011 3:10:34 PM

  • Expert on Fukushima radiation in US: We know its going to impact public health VIDEO enenews.com
    by MaryW 11/8/2011 3:13:56 PM

  • Well folks, to beat this jet lag, gots to get me
    to bed so I can reset to Japanese rhythms. Will see you all in the morning.
    by bo 11/8/2011 3:15:53 PM

  • @bo g'night bo
    by elainekirk 11/8/2011 3:16:08 PM

  • @lillymunster, a cable rack at the pool edge? Maybe. Here's a ladder in SFP4: www.youtube.com
    by Ian 11/8/2011 3:17:53 PM

  • A list of technical thoughts on unit 2 enformable.com
    by lillymunster 11/8/2011 3:19:16 PM

  • @bo, good to see ya, sleep well and dream of a nuclear free Japan! :)
    by Ian 11/8/2011 3:19:37 PM

  • @Ian yes that one is clearly metal steps for accessing something.
    by lillymunster 11/8/2011 3:20:24 PM

  • Yet another problem - radioactive cedar pollen fukushima-diary.com
    by lillymunster 11/8/2011 3:24:50 PM

  • The head of French EDF tries to justify his existence www.reuters.com
    by lillymunster 11/8/2011 3:32:17 PM

  • Analysis of fuel-pool sloshing based on the wave data for the March 11 mega-quake: www.lancemore.jp www.lancemore.jp Lead-in page: www.lancemore.jp
    by Ian 11/8/2011 3:35:14 PM

  • Edano admits food in Japan is harmful fukushima-diary.com
    by lillymunster 11/8/2011 3:51:07 PM

  • Plant status 10am on the 8th Nov (Daiichi)
    unit 3

    (water temperature of spent fuel
    pool as of suspension: approx. 24.8°C). After finishing the reverse
    cleaning of the primary strainer, then, at 7:17 pm on the same day we
    restarted the alternative cooling (water temperature of spent fuel pool
    as of restart: approx. 22.5°C *It is supposed that water temperature as
    of restart became lower than that as of suspension because water in
    skimmer surge tank was cooled down by outside air.
    Unit 4
    At 12:25 am on November 8, RO membrane unit of desalting facility in
    spent fuel pool, Unit 4 automatically stopped due to the alarm
    indicating leakage. Responding to the alarm, we confirmed that all the
    isolation valves of each unit were closed by the interlocks. Also,
    considering that all the spots at leakage risk were equipped with
    receiving pans which would be able to store all of the liquid in the
    unit, we judged that further deterioration of leakage or leakage to
    outside of the unit was unlikely. We will check the site and situation
    in the future. The operation of circulating cooling system has been
    continued.
    Other info
    At 2:55 pm on November 7, we started another boiler by using a spare
    water transfer pump for boiler. Then, we started evaporative
    concentration apparatus 3B at 5:24 pm and 3C at 6 pm. Causes of the
    trouble of the water transfer pump for boiler are still under
    investigation. At 2:24 am on November 8, we manually stopped the boiler
    of evaporative concentration apparatus in the water desalinations since
    alarm worked and indicated decrease of water level in boiler water
    supply tank at 2:20 am. Then, we stopped evaporative concentration
    apparatus 3B at 2:28 am ad 3C at 2:31 am. Although all the evaporative
    concentration apparatus stopped, water treatment by the water
    desalinations (RO membrane system) and water injection to the reactors
    have been continued. Causes will be investigated in the future.
    www.tepco.co.jp
    by elainekirk 11/8/2011 5:05:36 PM

  • Example of changed /sanitized reporting of Fukushima.
    Original article: "Its killing the measuring equipment"...They're blaming it on software-its their meters getting cooked". "They're running bulldozers around to bury the stuff so it doesn't cook people going by".
    by MaryW 11/8/2011 5:11:30 PM

  • Plant Status 3.30pm on the 8th Nov (Daiichi)
    Unit 4

    Afterwards, as the result of confirmation at the site of this
    facility, we confirmed that the leakage have stopped, all of the leaked
    liquid is in the receiving pans (approx. 5 liter), and there exists a
    trail of leakage from the pump casing of RO membrane unit. At 2:00 pm on
    the same day, we wiped out the leaked liquid and reset the alarm. We
    will investigate in detail.
    Other notes
    From 10:11 am on November 2 to 3:05 pm on November 8, we transferred the
    accumulated water from the basement of the Unit 3 turbine building to
    the High Temperature Incinerator Building of the Centralized Radiation
    Waste Treatment Facility in order to stop power supply of Unit 3
    accumulated water transfer pump as the preparation of the power source
    reinforcement work.
    - From 9:38 am on November 4 to 3:00 pm on November 8, we transferred the
    accumulated water from the basement of the Unit 2 turbine building to
    the High Temperature Incinerator Building of the Centralized Radiation
    Waste Treatment Facility in order to stop power supply of Unit 2
    accumulated water transfer pump as the preparation of the power source
    reinforcement work.
    www.tepco.co.jp
    by elainekirk 11/8/2011 5:13:14 PM

  • 2011indyinfo.com's-efforts/ The New York Times
    by MaryW 11/8/2011 5:13:26 PM

  • Revised/ cleaned-up article by New York Times www.nytimes.com
    by MaryW 11/8/2011 5:15:38 PM

  • OK-I see the New York Times links here are not taking us to the 2 articles. Will post source, if someone would want to do the cut/past thingy.
    by MaryW 11/8/2011 5:18:38 PM

  • It appears radioctivity density has gone UP in the sub-drain/turbine bldg. basements. Nov 4 v. Nov. 7 www.tepco.co.jp www.tepco.co.jp
    by M.I.A. 11/8/2011 5:29:34 PM

  • BBC News - Dalgety Bay beach: Significant radioactive source found bbc.in
    by elainekirk 11/8/2011 5:30:03 PM

  • The NYT article was in MY bookmarked files. Don't know if link can be used now since it was a censored one from April 07.2011. But I'll post this link and we'll soon see. (otherwise emailing the copy will only work) 2012indyinfo.wordpress.com
    by MaryW 11/8/2011 5:39:38 PM

  • I feel the NYT original article helps explain the reason why there were so many discrepancies in the reported radiation measurement and the ND's. TEPCO was just trying to make their reports look complete.
    by MaryW 11/8/2011 5:47:57 PM

  • 1 in 4 residents of towns around Fukushima plant don't want to return

    FUKUSHIMA, Japan, Nov. 9, Kyodo

    About one-fourth of residents of eight municipalities around the Fukushima Daiichi power plant, site of an ongoing nuclear crisis, have no intention of returning to live in the area, Fukushima University said Tuesday.

    According to preliminary results of a survey conducted by the university in September on about 13,460 households in the towns and villages of Futaba district in Fukushima Prefecture, the most common reason for not wanting to go back -- cited by 83 percent of respondents -- was decontaminating the area was difficult.

    Other reasons included they cannot trust the central government's safety declaration level, cited by 66 percent, and they cannot expect the nuclear crisis to be resolved, expressed by 61 percent, showing many residents were not satisfied with the state's countermeasures. english.kyodonews.jp
    by Edano 11/8/2011 6:07:42 PM

  • @MaryW I havent read it yet just doing battle with my sat nav
    by elainekirk 11/8/2011 6:08:05 PM

  • Mary - did you get a working link posted? Is the version on that blog the one we should look at? I got that one to work. If it is another version let me know, I can have you email it to me to cut and paste it?
    by lillymunster 11/8/2011 6:11:24 PM

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