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  • Am I the only one that thinks the decontamination in the really high areas near the plant is a complete farce? While it might work to clear a hot spot in Tokyo, it seems to be doing nothing to bring down levels on a home in the areas where the radiation is high in a blanket over an area.
    by lillymunster 11/25/2011 2:26:46 PM

  • @Edano are the castor shipments in a cask like spent fuel or some other type of container. The heat signature is worrying. Has anyone ever taken a radiation detector near one?
    by lillymunster 11/25/2011 2:28:02 PM

  • Prediction was run on the Shiga nPP on Lake Biwa. Models showed areas where significant contamination would take place including the lake. The lake is a major source of fresh water for the region and beyond. www.sankeibiz.jp
    by lillymunster 11/25/2011 2:38:25 PM

  • Govt considering free medical care for Fukushima children mdn.mainichi.jp
    by lillymunster 11/25/2011 3:03:25 PM

  • Re IC, I checked the NISA Sep update to IAEA again, pp II-82: "A little after 18:00 on March 11, possibly because DC power supply was recovered, the display lamps of return line and feeder line isolation valves of System A were lighted again to show the valves were closed. Because of this, valve-opening operation was performed at 18:18 on March 11; it was confirmed by station employees that vapor was generated from the exhaust port. However, closing operation of return line isolation valves of System A was performed at 18:25 on March 11 because it became impossible to confirm the vapor immediately after that.
    After that, opening operation of return line isolation valves of System A was performed at 21:30 on March 11 to maintain the open state after steam generation was confirmed." The steam gives some indication that water was condensed. Alas, it did not suffice.
    by Peter 11/25/2011 3:04:38 PM

  • This doesn't make sense. The govt says because stronium 89 (50 day half life) isn't present with the stronium 90 (half life 29 years) in Yokohama on a roof, it isn't from Fuku. Did they miss the memo that it has been 8 months? Maybe I am missing something? mdn.mainichi.jp
    by lillymunster 11/25/2011 3:05:16 PM

  • Suspicious of the IC performance, tepco tried an alternative via the core sprayer (CS), according to the same report: "Regarding water injection to reactors, in order to develop alternative water injection line via the core spray system(CS)from FP line, staff entered the reactor buildings in the dark, manually opened valves of CS, etc, then after the depressurization of reactor pressure (less than 0.69MPa gage), made the condition available for water injection.
    At 17:30, March 11, the diesel-driven fire pump was confirmed to be in a workable condition. Since the indicated value of the supervisory instrumentation in the main control room was invisible, the staff entered into the reactor building and confirmed that the pressure gauge indicated 6.9MPa gage (20:07, March 11). After that, the water-level gauge was restored at 21:19 on the same day, confirming the indication of TAF+200mm.
    At 01:48, March 12, staff confirmed that the diesel-driven fire pump which had been in operation for injecting water to the reactor stopped at some point, thus they carried and supplemented light oil manually, carried batteries kept in cooperative firms on the site for replacement, etc, but could not restart the operation." Note the pressure readings! Before 17:30 tepco managed to diminish rpv pressure to less than .69MPa. Within 2 hours and a half, the pressure climbed ten-fold. So the water injection attempt through the core sprayer did not help.
    by Peter 11/25/2011 3:15:32 PM

  • There should have been a high pressure coolant injection (HPCI) system using steam-driven pumps. I wonder what happened to that.
    by Peter 11/25/2011 3:17:36 PM

  • Consider while the fuel was melting in the reactor, guys were repeatedly sent into the building.
    by Peter 11/25/2011 3:21:14 PM

  • @Peter yet TEPCO claims only two people have high exposure levels.

    So did the core spray not help because things were too far gone and it didn't run long enough or would it have not helped no matter what? This seems to be an interesting divide between what failed to help due to malfunctions and what failed to help no matter what. It sounds almost like unit 1 was in a freefall from the start.
    by lillymunster 11/25/2011 3:31:03 PM

  • @lillymunster Good afternoon. Regarding the strontium-89: Having a half-life of 50 days means its radioactivity will decrease by half in roughly 50 days (statistically speaking), which means if you had a high release, you will be able to trace it for at least two years before it drops down to undetectable levels. Roughly speaking, an isotope with a half-life of 1 week can be traced for 3 or 4 months if the initial release is significant before it becomes undetectable. So, no wrong in that assumption back there.
    by Pedro Jesus 11/25/2011 3:37:38 PM

  • In the June report of NISA to IAEA, p IV-39, I find: " For the one hour that they remained following the earthwork (quake, ed.), the HPCI records show no indications of any drop to the automatic activation water level (L-L) or any records of the HPCI being activated."
    by Peter 11/25/2011 3:40:27 PM

  • @lillymunster , as I see it, the CS works only at low rpv pressures. As always, when tepco says they initiated an action or actuated a valve, it does not necessarily mean that it actually happened.
    by Peter 11/25/2011 3:43:50 PM

  • The water level indicators must also have been malfunctioning, since they showed the core covered, while it was exposed and melting.
    by Peter 11/25/2011 3:46:29 PM

  • @Pedro Jesus so there should have been at least low levels of Stronium 89 showing? This is the detectable level of Stronium 90: The test detected 0.82 to 1.1 becquerels per kilogram of strontium 90

    Would the ratio make the stronium 89 below detectible levels or would this truly be not from Fuku?
    by lillymunster 11/25/2011 3:46:52 PM

  • @lillymunster Let me check. I'm not acquainted with the ratio between Strontium isotopes, let alone each of their half-lives.
    by Pedro Jesus 11/25/2011 3:48:22 PM

  • @Peter So the IC's were malfunctioning and not working well when they did work (the one that did). The HPCI shows no record of being activated. The CS system was attempted for a while after they depressurized but eventually either couldn't do enough or the loss of the diesel pump was enough to make it no longer able to function due to the pressure increase.
    by lillymunster 11/25/2011 3:49:31 PM

  • @lillymunster , that sums it up pretty well, and helps answer @artnuke's questions from yesterday night. :)
    by Peter 11/25/2011 3:57:40 PM

  • www.techniklexikon.net

    the radiation of a castors equipped with 9 spent fuel has been measured in 2m distance with 25mSv/hr (5mSv/hr gamma and 20mSv/hr neutron). www.techniklexikon.net

    by Edano via Techniklexikon.net 11/25/2011 4:02:58 PM

  • @lillymunster Because they are synthetic, I can't find any ratio of Sr-89 compared to Sr-90 but I did find out that it takes about 500 days for 99.9% of the initial sample to decay. The rule of thumb is 10 half-lives for 99.9% of radioactive material to decay for any given isotope under ideal circumstances. I also found out, but I haven't confirmed it, that a patient being treated for bone cancer can take up to 150MBq (150,000,000 Becquerel of Strontium-89) in a single treatment, so those readings may seem, comparatively, quite negligible.
    by Pedro Jesus 11/25/2011 4:04:45 PM

  • by Edano via Aschmies.de 11/25/2011 4:06:14 PM

  • The Prometheus Trap / Men in Protective Clothing-6: Policeman forbidden from telling the truth ajw.asahi.com
    by lillymunster 11/25/2011 4:08:05 PM

  • @Peter This makes me wonder what other factors were happening at unit 1 in the early hours. They said the IC being closed caused the quick and massive meltdown. So are the safety systems that inept? Or were there other damages and issues going on.
    by lillymunster 11/25/2011 4:10:47 PM

  • Asahi Shimbun is putting it's English content behind a paywall.
    by lillymunster 11/25/2011 4:12:33 PM

  • HIgh cesium levels in river mouth ajw.asahi.com
    by lillymunster 11/25/2011 4:21:27 PM

  • Out for a bit
    by lillymunster 11/25/2011 4:21:33 PM

  • Europe-MultiCountries Nuclear Event Update. November 25.2011. The cause of the release of the I-131 is under investigation. "Might have emitted from Hungary". Pakistan has been cleared, saying that the release of I-131 is not possible unless there is a nuclear fuel failure. While the incident at Kanupp involved leakage of heavy water, which contains tritium and not Iodine-131. hisz.rsoe.hu
    by MaryW 11/25/2011 6:33:54 PM

  • Swedish company expediting camera delivery to Fukushima for "safety" of workers. They don't elaborate on possible uses. Could they maybe be getting ready to send some cameras into inspect the lower parts of the building or look for corium? www.jagsreport.com
    by lillymunster 11/25/2011 7:12:52 PM

  • today there was a tremendous speech by sarkozy. he declared his deep devotion to arerva, he loves the nukes even more than carla bruni. i will see if i find the speech somewhere.
    by Edano 11/25/2011 7:18:20 PM

  • Sarkozy Clings to Nuclear Energy Amid Protests www.foxnews.com
    by Edano 11/25/2011 7:21:33 PM

  • France Will Keep Penly Reactor Plan, Atomic Future, Sarkozy Says www.businessweek.com
    by Edano 11/25/2011 7:23:38 PM

  • @Edano Maybe we should ask our «friend» Angela to try and twist his mind around since they are seem so close.
    by Pedro Jesus 11/25/2011 7:23:52 PM

  • can't find a video, but he spoke of "force nucléaire" and other bullshit like environment and economy and stone age without nukes in such a maniatic manner that i shivered. he said that the beautiful landscape of la france will never be damaged by windmills. 30,000 windmills are too much for him.
    the french opposition has meanwhile agreed to reduce the nukes by 50% in case they win 2012 elections.
    by Edano 11/25/2011 7:28:19 PM

  • i haven't been in france for a long time, resp. i really cannot say that i ever saw any wind turbine in france.
    by Edano 11/25/2011 7:29:48 PM

  • @Edano The French govt has a major financial stake in Areva. Having that go out of business might give the govt. a major financial loss
    by lillymunster 11/25/2011 7:31:59 PM

  • France still plans to build 60th nuclear reactor
    France's President Nicolas Sarkozy delivers a speech on nuclear energy at the Areva plant in Pierrelate, southern France, November 25, 2011.
    in.reuters.com
    by Edano 11/25/2011 7:32:27 PM

  • as to the protests against the castor transport, it has to be said that there is a close causal relation between the decades-long violent resistance and the changes in angela merkel's mind about nuke power. it is a good example how people can reach their aim in a constant fight against money and influence. so - you in france, britain, america - begin to heavily protest against waste storage transports, this is the weakest spot of the nuke lobby ! occupy nukes !
    by Edano 11/25/2011 7:39:56 PM

  • LOL. We have gotten at least 3 very angry comments on the Youtube page telling us that the videos are not new breaking news. ::headdesk:: Will try to get some descriptions up after I get them all saved to my hard drive for back up.
    by lillymunster 11/25/2011 7:40:38 PM

  • @Edano good idea.
    by lillymunster 11/25/2011 7:41:13 PM

  • block railways, make people aware of what happens in their back yard. remember - the public does not know anything about it. let them know it.
    by Edano 11/25/2011 7:41:44 PM

  • the overloaded spent fuel pools at us reactors and nowhere to take any of it is a major disaster that is flying under the radar
    by lillymunster 11/25/2011 7:43:58 PM

  • ah there is a translation of the video i posted earlier.
    by Edano 11/25/2011 7:48:10 PM

  • by Edano 11/25/2011 7:48:13 PM

  • France Will Keep Penly Reactor Plan, Atomic Future, Sarkozy Says
    www.businessweek.com a detailed article.
    by Edano 11/25/2011 7:51:35 PM

  • The spent fuel problem is how South Dakota managed to ban nuclear power in the state. Without the ability to store spent fuel you can't operate a power reactor.
    by lillymunster 11/25/2011 7:54:21 PM

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