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by Edano via Castortv.de 11/24/2011 11:05:31 AM

amazing, how well this is organized.
by Edano 11/24/2011 11:08:40 AM

Type: Earthquake
38 minutes ago
Magnitude: 6.2
DateTime: Thursday November 24 2011, 10:25:34 UTC
Region: Hokkaido, Japan region
Depth: 42.3 km
Source: USGS Feed
by Edano 11/24/2011 11:21:32 AM

www.jma.go.jp
5- in hokkaido, no shaking in fuku www.jma.go.jp
by Edano via Jma.go.jp 11/24/2011 11:22:41 AM

There are no nuclear facilities nearby the epicenter. hisz.rsoe.hu
by Edano 11/24/2011 11:24:02 AM

M6.1 quake shakes southern Hokkaido

TOKYO, Nov. 24, Kyodo

An earthquake with a preliminary magnitude of 6.1 rocked southern Hokkaido on Thursday evening, the Japan Meteorological Agency said.

There was no danger of tsunami due to the 7:25 p.m. quake that originated off the coast of southern Hokkaido at the depth of around 30 kilometers, the agency said.

It registered lower 5 on the Japanese seismic intensity scale of 7 in the town of Urakawa on Japan's northernmost island prefecture. english.kyodonews.jp
by Edano 11/24/2011 11:29:18 AM

Radioactive strontium found in downtown Tokyo: citizens' group

TOKYO, Nov. 24, Kyodo english.kyodonews.jp
by Edano 11/24/2011 11:30:32 AM

Morning! (afternoon-evening)
by lillymunster 11/24/2011 1:09:12 PM

Reading MIA's comment from last night that 5 and 6 should be scrapped also. Yes they should. One of the workers said TEPCO was acting like they were going to fix and restart 5 and 6. The local government actions recently put an end to that. They did some sort of resolution to not allow nuclear plants to operate in the prefecture. Units 5 and 6 don't have functioning intakes. The intake pool where the pumps reside are full of garbage and the intakes themselves are damaged. One is in pieces, another was looking not quite right.

To pump water to cool 5 and 6 they have been using temporary pumps and hoses. Parts of the system they are currently using are having issues and may need replacing. IIRC it is part equipment brought on site and part existing equipment. 5 and 6 are a mess too just not an eploded falling down mess.
by lillymunster 11/24/2011 1:25:06 PM

Good morning everyone. Lilly, the real edano a few months ago answered the question of potential restarts at the Fukushima plants that this possibility could be only considered, once the radiation releases were under control, and this included Da-ini as well. I'd be surprised to see restarts happen anytime soon.
by Peter 11/24/2011 1:58:57 PM

@Peter glad your here I have a technical question for you. Is a "gamma spectrometer" any different than a germanium spectrometer we see groups like CRIIRAD using to test food. Or is that just different wording for the same equipment?
by lillymunster 11/24/2011 2:00:22 PM

On the ongoing saga of Busby, his "lab" in London is a virtual office service. He has no lab in the UK. maps.google.com
by lillymunster 11/24/2011 2:07:35 PM

@lillymunster , the germanium pertains to the type of detector. The more conventional detectors use sodium iodide crystals glued onto photomultiplier tubes. Germanium detectors use semiconductors instead (I think the material is actually Beryllium Germanium Oxide or BGO for short) and are detectors are more sensitive than the NaI crystal detectors. Both can be used for spectrometry, which means a spectrogram is produced from the output voltage of the detector that plots decays versus energy (in keV or MeV). The instrument is called a multichannel analyzer. The spectrogram is typical for the radionuclide and helps you sort out what you have got in a sample.
by Peter 11/24/2011 2:13:07 PM

@Peter So it is just odd wording for the typical equipment we are seeing used for analysis. Do you remember the price range these unit cost?
by lillymunster 11/24/2011 2:14:51 PM

@lillymunster , yes. Of course you can use semiconductors just for detection without analysis. The technical term for a machine that can identify radionuclides is multichannel analyzer. Not all multichannel analyzers use semiconductors. Those that do are more sensitive to small amounts of radiation. It has been to long for me to peg a price. Good ones certainly cost several thousand dollars.
by Peter 11/24/2011 2:21:52 PM

@Peter Busby was saying he needed $700k to buy one. It sounded high
by lillymunster 11/24/2011 2:22:51 PM

@lillymunster , too much! I found a wiki on the subject: en.wikipedia.org
by Peter 11/24/2011 2:26:04 PM

Hey look at this! You can purchase used ones on ebay for a few hundred dollars: www.hammercircuit.com
by Peter 11/24/2011 2:29:12 PM

@Peter thanks. I thought that sounded really high. I was thinking they were in the tens of thousands based on other groups doing fundraising.
by lillymunster 11/24/2011 2:29:34 PM

@Peter Do you know of a company that sells them new that lists prices?
by lillymunster 11/24/2011 2:29:57 PM

So you have the chamber unit and then the spectrometer box to do the processing?
by lillymunster 11/24/2011 2:30:38 PM

Did you see my last link. The upper part lists a number of products with manufacturer. Yes, there is always going to be a shielded chamber or well with the detector for the sample and a oscilloscope-type analyzer for the assessment. A little lower on the page, a video demonstrates the use of a Brüel & Kjær analyzer. That is an application of a multichannel analyzer for sound. Hence different.
by Peter 11/24/2011 2:37:15 PM

Here is a legit seller: www.canberra.com
by Peter 11/24/2011 2:41:03 PM

@Peter the shielded chamber that they use for the sample I am assuming isn't going to cost a ton of money. Is there a technical name for them so I can look them up?
by lillymunster 11/24/2011 2:43:44 PM

Saw this on Canberra's website, seems like a major piece of equipment and overkill for what Busby's is claiming he wants to do. All the systems I have seen used in Japan were the small container chamber, the "box" analyzer and a laptop to visualize and store the data. www.canberra.com
by lillymunster 11/24/2011 2:46:20 PM

Here is a high-end manufacturer: www.ortec-online.com . I doubt anything like this would cost more than 100 grant.
by Peter 11/24/2011 2:47:02 PM

This is what CRIIRAD is using www.nishoren.org
by lillymunster 11/24/2011 2:48:32 PM

@lillymunster , the chamber essentially is a lead pot with a lid and a hole in the side for the detector. Usually you buy the system from the manufacturer complete.
by Peter 11/24/2011 2:48:55 PM

@lillymunster , I remember they use a German brand. You can see the lead pot perfectly displayed. In this pot the detector is mounted in the bottom. I guess you need a laptop to display the spectrum.
by Peter 11/24/2011 2:53:13 PM

Radioactive strontium in Yokohama apparently unrelated to Fukushima

TOKYO, Nov. 24, Kyodo english.kyodonews.jp
by Edano 11/24/2011 2:56:05 PM

@Edano WHAT?
by lillymunster 11/24/2011 2:56:42 PM

... apparantly ...... ?
by Edano 11/24/2011 2:57:04 PM

...must get ready for the turkey approximation, distance 2 hours and a half. I try keeping in touch.
by Peter 11/24/2011 2:57:43 PM

@Peter I have to do the same in a few hours but will be back this evening since I only have to drive across town.
by lillymunster 11/24/2011 2:58:40 PM

A Peruvian mayor claims the water in his town could result in an increase in the number of gay men.

Jose Benitez, the mayor of Huarmey, pointed out high levels of strontium in the tap water, which comes from Tabalosos - a town that a TV station once claimed had 14,000 homosexual inhabitants - could lead to more gay men in the area.

He is quoted by LGBT Asylum News as saying: "Strontium reduces male hormones and suddenly we'll be as Tabalosos, as other towns, where the percentages are increasing of homosexuality. timesofindia.indiatimes.com
by Edano 11/24/2011 3:03:04 PM

maybe pedro wants to study the peru paradoxon for his hormesis theory.
by Edano 11/24/2011 3:05:26 PM

Radiation turns you gay? The religious fundamentalists in the US would have a complete freak out.
by lillymunster 11/24/2011 3:07:16 PM

'Higher-than-average radioactivity levels have been detected in a drain on a main road at Seascale.' Sellafield, Calder Hall Nuclear Power Station, United Kingdom. Nov 24.2011 hisz.rsoe.hu
by MaryW 11/24/2011 3:29:16 PM

WATCH: Nuclear Protest goes very wrong--Violent Battle of Police vs. Anti-Nuclear Groups. Nov 23,pm. enenews.com
by MaryW 11/24/2011 3:39:35 PM

An interesting find off of Enenews. They claim occupy wall street was sprung out of anti-nuclear protests (that is not an accurate statement). But they do show an interesting 1970's anti-nuclear protest where groups did a Wall Street sit in demanding they stop funding the nuclear industry.
enenews.com
by lillymunster 11/24/2011 3:59:47 PM

@Edano LOL. I pass. By the way, I never said I support the hormesis theory. I only said I have doubts, as
by Pedro Jesus 11/24/2011 4:09:57 PM

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by Pedro Jesus 11/24/2011 4:09:57 PM

Sorry, damn rabbit!
by Pedro Jesus 11/24/2011 4:10:33 PM

@Edano As I was saying, I don't support the hormesis principle, I do have doubts about the effectiveness of the LNT model, and the more I read about it the more doubts arise. It seems there are some studies that suggest that even the LNT model may not be conservative enough in certain circumstances.

Now for that theory about strontium having anything to do with homosexual population, that's 19th century thinking (or even further back). Homosexuality is not a disease. And it's not a personal choice either. Some people are born homosexual, some people are born heterosexual, some people are born bisexual, there are a lot of aspects that can contribute but it is a fact that most of it is innate. That allegation is not only contradicted by a wealth of modern scientific research but it is also absolutely unfounded, ranging insanity. That mayor should be in a mental institution under observation.

NOTE: The hormesis principle has been observed in lab tests. There is little doubt about its reality. What LNT model supporters doubt is that it can be observed in humans as it is observed in some other mammals.
by Pedro Jesus 11/24/2011 4:21:04 PM