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  • @Peter yes, i agree :) but they do put special forces in normal police uniforms. they admitted that recently.
    by Edano 11/26/2011 7:59:42 PM

  • More cesium in Fukushima rice : FUKUSHIMA--The Fukushima prefectural government has announced that radioactive cesium beyond the provisional regulatory limit was detected in unmilled rice harvested at five farms in the Onami district of Fukushima Prefecture.

    Radioactive cesium exceeding the limit of 500 becquerels per kilogram was recently detected in harvested rice at another farm in the area, fueling concerns among consumers.

    This time as much as 1,270 becquerels of radioactive cesium per kilogram was detected in unmilled rice, the prefecture said Friday. The rice has not been shipped to the market. Instead, it was stored in farmers' warehouses or a local agricultural cooperative, or was distributed to farmers' relatives. www.yomiuri.co.jp
    by Majj 11/26/2011 8:03:49 PM

  • Just that the nonGermans know, the Bundesgrenzschutz is a Westgerman creation that was introduced at the inception of the Federal Republic, when nobody wanted an army, but it was felt that some armed force was needed to control the borders, sort of like a border police with military overtones. With the reintroduction of a regular military against strong opposition on the behest of the U.S. , the border police's role was even more diminished and new roles like crowd control were devised for the force.
    by Peter 11/26/2011 8:04:17 PM

  • .... they are deployed when the law needs a lot of warm bodies in the street to represent overwhelming force.
    by Peter 11/26/2011 8:05:40 PM

  • i am not sure why the german politicians think a salt dome is a good final waste storage. from wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org

    Whatever the location, the basic choice of halite (rock salt) as a host rock for a final repository was a step which eliminated from the start any alternative locations such as the clay or granite formations favourised in other countries for this purpose. Specific exploratory geological drillings were carried out between 1979 and 1999, and from the early eighties the results showed that the Gorleben salt dome could actually be unsuitable because of its unstable roof rock and as it has contact with the groundwater.

    One example of this instability is the "Gorleben Rut", a gully made by melting glacial ice which runs as low as 320 m below the surface directly above the dome. The gully is composed of sandy, gritty material which conducts groundwater. This means that the roof of the dome, expected to be several hundred metres thick and made of heavy Oligocene clay layers, does not exist in this form at this spot. According to the German Office for Radiation Protection (BfS) this is the minimum required for any location to be suitable as a final repository, following their definition of a "multi-barrier system". These clay layers have been destroyed from below by the diapir of the salt dome as it was forced upwards by tectonics, and from above by material being carried away and filled in by Ice Age glaciers.

    Another discovery made by the exploratory drilling was that saliferous groundwater moves both from the sides and the top of the salt dome towards the surface, meaning that if it came into contact with highly radioactive material, the result would be a contamination of the biosphere. If groundwater is in contact with the halite, another factor to be reckoned with is subrosion, i.e. cavities developing due to salt leaching. This could cause the roof to collapse, or sinkholes to form on the surface of the earth. There are numerous examples of this happening in salt domes all across northern Germany, including a ten-kilometre-long, deep depression over the northeastern part of the Gorleben salt structure itself; in this depression, for example, the 1.75 square kilometre Rudower See lake and the Rambower See formed; the latter is now fenland.

    In comparisons of the possible locations according to hydrogeological and geological criteria, Gorleben was judged the least suitable out of several salt domes. Some critics complained that the exploration was in fact a hidden attempt to build the storage unit. Despite the findings, further exploration has not been cancelled but only put on hold since 2000-10-01. This break, described as a "moratorium", is to provide time to sort out questions on the concept behind the final repository and its security.

    Those in favour of Gorleben as a location for the dump have called for the moratorium to be lifted, to let further exploration go ahead; its opponents have demanded a comparison with several alternative halite locations, as is usually mandatory for large-scale plans. Furthermore, they consider the geological results so far to be convincing enough evidence that Gorleben is an unsuitable spot for a nuclear waste repository.

    In 2010, Angela Merkel's center-right Federal Government lifted the moratorium and re-started the exploration process. Large-scale protests promptly resumed.
    by Edano 11/26/2011 8:07:13 PM

  • Nov 15.2011 Truck with Uranium Fuel rods Wrecks on I-40 (Memphis) www.wreg.com
    by MaryW 11/26/2011 8:10:17 PM

  • @MaryW on a normal public highway ? incredible.
    by Edano 11/26/2011 8:13:27 PM

  • Residents were advise to drive carefully on the highways as these highly radioactive trucks pass through often.
    by MaryW 11/26/2011 8:15:24 PM

  • upload.wikimedia.org

    Salmon Site nuclear test facility is a salt dome as well.

    by Edano via Upload.wikimedia.org 11/26/2011 8:16:51 PM

  • @edano, I wondered about that, too. Remember we discussed Heinz-Herbert Karry? From the early days of nuclear power in Germany, there was concern even among the pro-nuke faction what to do with the highly toxic fuel remnants that could not be reprocessed. As Karry pointed out it would be irresponsible to burden future generations with this problem unresolved. Gorleben seemed to be the best place the proponents found. I guess that was the beginning.
    by Peter 11/26/2011 8:18:15 PM

  • @MaryW this highway seems a good beginning for blocking nuke waste transports. :)
    by Edano 11/26/2011 8:19:36 PM

  • Science: Hideaways for Nuclear Waste

    Salt domes are considered as crypts for radioactive debris

    They are great underground mountains of salt, some of them six miles deep and three miles across. They were formed tens of millions of years ago—some even before the age of the dinosaurs—by the evaporation of ancient saline seas. Layer upon layer of sediment piled atop the dried-up ocean beds. Gradually, columns of the lighter salt were forced upward by the pressure, like putty squeezed through the fingers of a slowly clenching fist. In the U.S. alone, there are more than 500 such salt domes,...

    Read more: www.time.com
    by Edano 11/26/2011 8:22:24 PM

  • @edano, looks like you are right on your earlier guess. Gorleben, more than anything, was a political choice, located on the border with East Germany with little economic development and a dead mining industry in a state governed by conservatives.
    by Peter 11/26/2011 8:25:04 PM

  • cdn.spiegel.de

    The Curse of Gorleben

    Germany's Endless Search for a Nuclear Waste Dump

    excellent article of 4 pages

    by Edano via Cdn.spiegel.de 11/26/2011 8:25:44 PM

  • @Edano Highway I-40 is the major East-West transportation route in the US
    by MaryW 11/26/2011 8:27:48 PM

  • The nuke plants are all in traditionally conservative states.
    by Peter 11/26/2011 8:27:58 PM

  • @Peter it seems a salt dome is - before all - the cheapest solution.
    by Edano 11/26/2011 8:28:36 PM

  • @Peter i don't know how Krümmel is supposed to make it until 2022. it is already a wreck today.
    by Edano 11/26/2011 8:31:17 PM

  • @Edano , did they ever decommission a nuclear power reactor in Germany?
    by Peter 11/26/2011 8:39:34 PM

  • @Peter lots in eastern germany, the thtr .....
    by Edano 11/26/2011 8:40:12 PM

  • ....I mean strip it down entirely?
    by Peter 11/26/2011 8:40:17 PM

  • NYPD ran OWS eviction as a counterterrorism function. gothamist.com
    by lillymunster 11/26/2011 8:40:39 PM

  • Where did the radioactive material go?
    by Peter 11/26/2011 8:41:01 PM

  • @Peter for the east german reactors, the russians had to accept the material due to contracts.
    by Edano 11/26/2011 8:42:21 PM

  • Nuclear waste storage in salt: Explosion danger www10.antenna.nl

    New evidence has been found that salt, if irradiated by nuclear waste, may become a high explosive. Professor H.W. den Hartog from Groningen University, the Netherlands, has studied the behavior of irradiated salt for 15 years. "If irradiated, salt is heated, explosive reactions occur," he said.

    (508.4997) Herman Damveld - One of the scientific controversies concerning storage of nuclear waste in underground salt formations is the damage done by irradiation. If salt is irradiated by nuclear waste, it is partly converted into its elements: chlorine and sodium. .......
    by Edano 11/26/2011 8:45:10 PM

  • @Peter Gundremmingen-A is decommissioned en.wikipedia.org
    de.wikipedia.org
    by Edano 11/26/2011 8:51:10 PM

  • Nuclear Waste Transportation Routes in USA. Map. www.state.nv.us
    by MaryW 11/26/2011 8:51:19 PM

  • Heh. We can get nuclear waste rail transported through our back yard but we can't get passenger rail here. I noticed the line through Nebraska is the shared rail line for Amtrak
    by lillymunster 11/26/2011 8:53:28 PM

  • Could someone please post the map-thank you
    by MaryW 11/26/2011 8:54:18 PM

  • by lillymunster via State.nv.us 11/26/2011 8:54:52 PM

  • @lillymunster The rail in Memphis is also an Amtrak rail
    by MaryW 11/26/2011 8:55:28 PM

  • I'm glad to be living near Canada
    by MaryW 11/26/2011 8:56:33 PM

  • @edano, I found something interesting: Atomkraftwerk Kahl am Main, the first in Germany, put on the grid in 1961, decommissioned in 1985, decommissioning finished in 2007. It took 22 years to dismantle the plant. The wiki does not tell where the parts went. de.wikipedia.org
    by Peter 11/26/2011 8:57:37 PM

  • @Peter lots of decommissioned nukes: de.wikipedia.org
    by Edano 11/26/2011 8:58:04 PM

  • @MaryW @lillymunster does all the waste go to yucca mt ?
    by Edano 11/26/2011 9:01:21 PM

  • @Edano nope. Yucca mountain was still in planning stages. Obama and Reid nixed it. We have no storage facility.
    by lillymunster 11/26/2011 9:03:42 PM

  • Gov't to newly set safety limit for RADIOACTIVE CESIUM IN BABY FOOD!!!!!!! www.japantoday.com
    by MaryW 11/26/2011 9:07:40 PM

  • "The release of atom power has changed everything except our way of thinking...the solution to this problem lies in the heart of mankind...If only I had known, I should have become a watchmaker." Albert Einstein
    by MaryW 11/26/2011 9:12:15 PM

  • famous last words.
    by Edano 11/26/2011 9:32:12 PM

  • @MaryW Someone mentioned this makes Japan's limits for baby food the lowest in the world. Maybe the entire world should be aiming for none at all in baby food. Yet again, ignore the 1000 pound gorilla in the room. We shouldn't even have to have this conversation.
    by lillymunster 11/26/2011 9:57:52 PM

  • The German Castor protests made JP news! uni.2ch.net

    also NHK www3.nhk.or.jp
    by lillymunster 11/26/2011 10:09:23 PM

  • japanese would never do that.
    by Edano 11/26/2011 10:13:54 PM

  • @Edano they might but is a much more polite way. :-) I think if reactor restarts or something equally crazy gets dumped on someone's back doorstep they might take blockade type action.
    by lillymunster 11/26/2011 10:15:52 PM

  • "Auch die acht Gäste aus Japan, die auf der Kundgebung in Dannenberg gesprochen haben, sitzen inzwischen auf den Schienen in Harlingen." castorticker.de

    "The eight guests from Japan, who spoke at the rally in Dannenberg, Sitting now on the track in Harlingen."
    by Edano 11/26/2011 10:19:32 PM

  • they are taking lessons ..... :)
    by Edano 11/26/2011 10:20:15 PM

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