Japan Earthquake

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or...am I already playing a part in the radiation afflicted society.
by MaryW 12/2/2011 7:30:58 PM

I remember that. There were some people thought it was the actual model and we were all doomed.
by lillymunster 12/2/2011 7:34:08 PM

I think we all should rent the dvd and watch it together:<))
by MaryW 12/2/2011 7:37:25 PM

@MaryW we are the people who are always right in the end.
by Edano 12/2/2011 7:37:28 PM

@Edano is there a reliable source for determining internal contamination vs. health risk?
by lillymunster 12/2/2011 7:50:00 PM

Oh, but I see the date above map is April 18th. But why would they be posting it as an oct data
by MaryW 12/2/2011 7:50:21 PM

@lillymunster only for contamination over 500mSv (0.5Gy)
by Edano 12/2/2011 7:53:27 PM

@lillymunster you mean sth like this: en.wikipedia.org ?
by Edano 12/2/2011 7:55:29 PM

another reason TEPCO is in such a hurry to declare everything safe:
Another panel set up at the government's initiative is also looking into the causes of the accident and is set to compile an interim report in late December. english.kyodonews.jp
by lillymunster 12/2/2011 7:57:59 PM

@Edano the WIki doesn't separate external and internal but says later in the article that internal will have worse health effects?
by lillymunster 12/2/2011 8:00:02 PM

@Vivre thanks,
Belie www.merriam-webster.com

Base mat is the term used for the big concrete pad under the reactor :-)
by lillymunster 12/2/2011 8:04:15 PM

@lillymunster yes it's true. the table is for external exposure. usually you cannot inhale such a high dose.
by Edano 12/2/2011 8:05:05 PM

new project: Tepco wants to open a dance hall in #1, first red light flashing is tested...
by Puc 12/2/2011 8:05:20 PM

@Edano there are workers with over 250 mSv internal = 5 of them.
by lillymunster 12/2/2011 8:06:00 PM

the dosimeters only measure external exposure. 250mSv internal must be a hell lot.
by Edano 12/2/2011 8:07:18 PM

@Edano really odd the list of external exposure doesn't show as many workers with high external. The WBC internal levels show quite a few with high levels.
by lillymunster 12/2/2011 8:11:04 PM

@Lilly - ty for enhancing my beliefs :-)
(and the valuable webster-link)
by Vivre 12/2/2011 8:15:04 PM

Could reason be workers are suited up to protect from high external exposure, therefore, showing low external exposure?
by MaryW 12/2/2011 8:16:04 PM

"Until now, scientists have only been able to estimate very roughly how much of the energy from the radioactive material that is released in the "source organs" is absorbed by these organs themselves, and how much reaches other organs nearby and is absorbed there. This provides values of "organ doses" given that the spread of the radioactive material around the body is already known. These values allow health effects to be predicted but they cannot be measured directly so schematic models of the human body have been used to estimate the energy absorptions." www.innovations-report.de
by Edano 12/2/2011 8:18:53 PM

So maybe the suits helped but many had mask failures? Or they were able to be relatively well decontaminated to lower external but since you can't scrub your insides....
by lillymunster 12/2/2011 8:21:31 PM

"Dose-response relations were observed for death from hemato- and lymphopoietic cancers and from upper aerodigestive tract cancers, adjusting for age, time since first monitored, pay type, and external (gamma) radiation dose. No association was found for other cancers, including cancers of the lung. Despite the small number of exposed deaths from specific cancer types and possible bias due to measurement error and confounding, the positive findings and strong dose-response gradients observed suggest carcinogenic effects of internal radiation to the upper aerodigestive tract and the blood and lymph system in this occupational cohort." www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
by Edano 12/2/2011 8:22:00 PM

Just found this maybe it will help? dspace.lrri.org:8080
by lillymunster 12/2/2011 8:23:50 PM

The ultimate study, in my opinion, would be on signs and symptoms: such as, fatigue, nose bleeds, airway congestions. And years of follow-up, since radiation related diagnosed illnesses and deformities will first show up years down the road. Good example is Chernobyl
by MaryW 12/2/2011 8:24:04 PM

Die For Fukushima Prefecture. Dec 02.2011. Fukushima local government asking other local government to stop accepting Fukushima citizen who are evacuating... fukushima-diary.com
by MaryW 12/2/2011 8:34:23 PM

Page 14 of the Japanese government's guide for Fukushima educators and parents www.pref.fks.ed.jp , which explains how anxiety (over radiation) can trigger stress reactions in the brain, causing various physical ailments.
by Edano via Japanfocus.org 12/2/2011 8:34:58 PM

i cannot find anything about internal dose to health relations.
by Edano 12/2/2011 8:39:30 PM

Pollen In Tokyo Is Contaminated As Well. Dec 02.2011. fukushima-diary.com
by MaryW 12/2/2011 8:41:23 PM

@MaryW that is just sick. I wonder if a family came up with the means to move on their own would not be allowed to go rent in govt. managed apartments in another area or if that only impacts the paid move programs? Japan has lots of govt run apartment blocks at least near Tokyo.
by lillymunster 12/2/2011 8:42:02 PM

the paper I posted has models for inhalation of MOX fuels
by lillymunster 12/2/2011 8:46:29 PM

Fukushima workers should store own blood for future stem cell contingency if radiation exposure was high. April 15.2011. www.medicalnewstoday.com
by MaryW 12/2/2011 8:48:52 PM