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  • @Edano That JapanFocus article is interesting. I don't get it...doesn't the government of Japan know, a government can only exist with people! Narrow-minded thinking will be the collapse of this country.
    by MaryW 12/2/2011 9:00:18 PM

  • @Edano Did you know in the JapanFocus article when you click on the pink picture, mom holding child, there are 11 radiation charts/diagrams with stats on radiation cancers in children?
    by MaryW 12/2/2011 9:05:19 PM

  • @MaryW it is a different twist on the same short sighted mentality we see elsewhere. They are so absorbed with politics and business they forget the engine for both is a healthy and prosperous population. People who are doing well buy things, pay taxes and make new contributions to society.
    by lillymunster 12/2/2011 9:06:06 PM

  • @lillymunster government officials are only think of themselves as individuals, not seeing the big picture. And the embarrassment in the 'I'm sorrys', bows and blunt out lies, only reveal to the world the stupidity and low standards of Japan as a country in this civilized world.
    by MaryW 12/2/2011 9:10:30 PM

  • Beagles Exposed To MOX fuel where it stayed internally after inhalation

    by lillymunster 12/2/2011 9:13:31 PM

  • @MaryW we have the exact same thing going on in the US, it just has the overlay of some different behavior, culture.
    by lillymunster 12/2/2011 9:14:22 PM

  • If there ever was a country in need of reform, it is Japan. All officials should stand trail for their crimes against their citizens. I will never by another corporate-made 'Made in Japan' product again.
    by MaryW 12/2/2011 9:14:26 PM

  • @MaryW I try to separate out the people from the government, It can be very hard for people to change their govt when it goes wrong. Even harder if many others are asleep about the problems. There is a little bit of hope in the Osaka elections. The people who won stepped outside the normal political parties and said they wanted to do what the people wanted, end nukes, have govt that isn't corrupt etc.
    by lillymunster 12/2/2011 9:16:50 PM

  • @lillymunster that is true to a point. A person can not live without being part of a society. And where we are born is not our choice. So when a country or people see an injustice being done, the weak have to depend on the strong to make the necessary changes. I feel the Japanese people are not forgotten, there are a lot of forces around the world who are trying their best to help the situation.
    by MaryW 12/2/2011 9:21:47 PM

  • It is hard to change a culture.
    by MaryW 12/2/2011 9:22:39 PM

  • Change is the wrong word there.
    by MaryW 12/2/2011 9:26:12 PM

  • In these studies, the incidence of lung tumors in Fischer-344
    rats has been significant (Ref. 2)
    While significant information exists on the biological effects following inhalation of
    239pu02 or UO2
    by rats, dogs and monkeys, (Ref. 3, 4, 5, 6) no information exists on the
    dose-response relationships following inhalation of mixed U-Pu oxides. Specifically, the
    scientific questions forming the basis for this study are: does the inhalation of aerosols
    consisting of mixed (U-Pu) oxides pose a unique carcinogenic hazard to lung compared to chemically
    pure forms of PuO2
    and are the hazard assessments for human inhalation of 239pu02 adequate
    to be extended to the case of mixed U-Pu oxide inhalation in humans
    by lillymunster 12/2/2011 9:27:12 PM

  • No one want to change anyone's traditions and beliefs, but common sense and kindness should rule
    by MaryW 12/2/2011 9:27:34 PM

  • @MaryW true. There are people in Japan who are trying to change things. Part of the problem is how entrenched big business and political parties are in Japan. The govt many times acts in totally shameless ways to screw over people they should be protecting. This isn't lost on people in Japan, I think many are just unsure how to change what is a huge beast
    by lillymunster 12/2/2011 9:29:05 PM

  • Rats exposed to MOX and pure Plutonium

    by lillymunster 12/2/2011 9:31:28 PM

  • Nearly 100% survival is apparent for all groups of rats, including control groups, with only
    two deaths (one accidental, one with a brain lesion) in the experimental groups and a single death
    (kidney and adrenal lesion) in the control group. The group which was over-exposed (~ 200
    initial lung burden) is being maintained, but considered separate from these studies. In this
    over-exposed group of 44 rats, 19 have died at times ranging from 86 to 201 days after inhalation.
    Virtually all of these deaths are the result of radiation pneumonitis and pulmonary fibrosis and resultant pulmonary failure. This syndrome is typical for high initial lung burdens in
    rodents, Beagle dogs and monkeys.
    by lillymunster 12/2/2011 9:33:24 PM

  • Digging all the way through the study and it doesn't give a clear exposure vs. outcome. Bah!
    by lillymunster 12/2/2011 9:37:09 PM

  • @lillymunster no they wont give that info
    by elainekirk 12/2/2011 9:37:53 PM

  • @elainekirk oh this is just driving me crazy. You know someone has the data on internal exposure like the external exposure tables. Of course finding that is impossible. I found some references to internal exposure via cancer treatment but that isn't inhaled so likely acts differently.
    by lillymunster 12/2/2011 9:43:14 PM

  • Radiation triage in adults www.uptodate.com
    Radiation induced lung injury www.uptodate.com

    Still nothing really specific about inhalation vs. outcomes
    by lillymunster 12/2/2011 10:01:24 PM

  • This might help? Oak Ridge made a radiation exposure calculation software www.wise-uranium.org

    ALL of oak ridge's various dose etc software programs here ordose.ornl.gov
    by lillymunster 12/2/2011 10:04:38 PM

  • Inhalation of radiation www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
    by lillymunster 12/2/2011 10:13:35 PM

  • The four groups ranged from those who were
    not exposed at all to those receiving a maximum dose of 30 millisieverts or more. A comparison of the adjusted rate-ratios for cancers
    among these groups showed that the workers who received the highest doses died at a substantially higher rate from leukemias and lymphomas than did those who were not exposed. The same relationship was true for workers who died from cancers of the mouth,
    throat, esophagus, and stomach. Substantiating these observations
    was the fact that workers in the zero-dose range had the lowest rates
    of death and those within the two intermediate dose ranges had progressively higher rates of death with increasing dose. Again, this was
    true both for leukemias and lymphomas and for cancers of the
    mouth, throat, esophagus, and stomach. The researchers also examined lung, bladder, kidney, and prostate cancer incidence, but found
    no elevations in mortality rates. Although the link to increased
    leukemias and lymphomas had been reported in two earlier studies,
    the relationship to mouth, throat, and esophagus cancers had not
    previously been reported for workers exposed to internally deposited
    radionuclides in this low-dose range.
    Caveats added due to the smaller study group. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
    by lillymunster 12/2/2011 10:19:44 PM

  • why is this not being taken up by the msm as if I need to ask :(
    by elainekirk 12/2/2011 10:20:50 PM

  • If anyone with journal access can find this study even if it is in Russian it would be useful [Retrospective diagnosis of radiation inhalation lesions of the bronchial mucosa in clean-up personnel after the nuclear accident at the Chernobyl nuclear reactor using the micronucleus test].
    [Article in Russian]
    Lisochkin BG, Kravtsov VIu, Rybachenko VV.
    Source
    I.P.Pavlov Research Institute of Pulmonology, Sankt-Petersburg Medical University, 197022, St-Petersburg.
    by lillymunster 12/2/2011 10:21:22 PM

  • @elainekirk the exposure data for the workers was quietly tucked into the daily reports and put out after everyone was obsessing over their made up meltdown analysis.

    Lack of MSM is why I am digging on this. If we can present the worker data with some reliable research to frame it it could be picked up
    by lillymunster 12/2/2011 10:22:04 PM

  • Feldheim wind farm, local govt gets revenue from the windfarm. Maybe this is an idea for municipalities wanting to make up for nuclear money? p.twipple.jp
    by lillymunster 12/2/2011 10:33:52 PM

  • @lillymunster I hope it is picked up
    by elainekirk 12/2/2011 10:34:35 PM

  • Based on our screening calculations, doses to many workers are likely to have exceeded the dose limit which was then about 15 rem per year. This chart [slide #1] shows the cumulative lung dose per worker as it relates to the number of months exposed (i.e. on the job), and also to different multiples of the then-prevailing Maximum Allowable Concentration (MAC) of uranium in the air. It shows that the more months a worker was exposed, the higher the cumulative lung dose, and the higher the level of uranium in the workplace air (i.e. the higher the number of multiples of MAC), the higher the dose.

    The data and our calculations suggest that the highest exposed workers had a high probability of dying from cancer as a result of the exposure. The estimated mean lung dose in the highest exposure category (8,400 rem) would be equivalent to an effective dose (or "whole body" dose) of approximately 1,000 rem. Using the International Council for Radiation Protection (ICRP) cancer risk factor of 0.04%, this corresponds to about a 40% risk of dying from cancer. This is a 200 percent increase in fatal cancer risk compared to unexposed persons. 15 rem = 150 millisieverts

    www.ieer.org
    by lillymunster 12/2/2011 10:42:18 PM

  • I think these IEER studies may be the key we need
    by lillymunster 12/2/2011 10:44:53 PM

  • good find
    by elainekirk 12/2/2011 10:49:21 PM

  • @elainekirk shot off an email to IEER to see if they have any data on internal exposure vs. health outcome
    by lillymunster 12/2/2011 11:07:14 PM

  • My how things have changed. Senator Obama pushed for a new radiation protection standard. Fast forward to this year the US govt acts like Fuku is a non issue for the US www.ieer.org
    by lillymunster 12/2/2011 11:12:45 PM

  • @lillymunster it is all in the pockets , forget the 'dressing to the right or left' just make sure the pockets are lined
    by elainekirk 12/2/2011 11:15:10 PM

  • @lillymunster Regarding the new radiation protection standard. In 2009 Obama revised the discrimination term, "Reference Man", to be excluded. "Reference Man" was a hypothetical Caucasian Male 20-30 years old, use in the radiation protection standard. It was revised to all 'types' of persons in the field, no-ethnic color, 20-whatever age, children, and unborn children and pregnant women. Prior to Obama's revision, only the young white man was regarded.
    by MaryW 12/2/2011 11:27:20 PM

  • brb off to forage for food
    by lillymunster 12/2/2011 11:32:18 PM

  • Reactors nearing cold shutdown

    Japan may announce this month that reactors at the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant have reached a state of cold shutdown.

    The government and Tokyo Electric Power Company, the operator of the plant say the phase could be achieved on December 16th at the earliest. Before that, nuclear experts must first assess mid-term safety measures proposed by the utility.

    The government will then divide evacuation areas around the plant into 3 zones based on radiation levels, and come up with support measures for each district.

    For an area with high radiation levels where residents are unlikely to return soon, the government will consider buying land from owners.

    In a zone where evacuation orders are expected to continue for a set period of time, the government will implement decontamination efforts and repair roads.

    For an area with relatively-low radiation levels, focus will be on helping factories resume operation and setting up medical facilities. Decontamination and infrastructure projects will also be carried out.

    Saturday, December 03, 2011 07:24 +0900 (JST)
    www3.nhk.or.jp
    by Edano 12/3/2011 12:27:02 AM

  • @Edano good evening
    by elainekirk 12/3/2011 12:29:49 AM

  • @elainekirk good evening
    by Edano 12/3/2011 12:30:47 AM

  • over 80° is not cold for me.
    by Edano 12/3/2011 12:31:31 AM

  • If any area is below their idea of bad radiation the govt will do everything to force them to go back
    by lillymunster 12/3/2011 12:33:51 AM

  • Melted Fuel Near point of reaching Bottom Container, Barrier Needed. Dec 02.2011. "We have to prepare for the worst case scenario". www.arirang.co.kr
    by MaryW 12/3/2011 12:35:47 AM

  • @Edano it is farcical , has been throughout
    by elainekirk 12/3/2011 12:37:53 AM

  • Maybe TEPCO and GoJ will change the cold shutdown temperature standard to meet their goal, as they did the legally healthy radiation levels standards
    by MaryW 12/3/2011 12:42:33 AM

  • File this under irony
    Japan submitted a resolution adopted by the UN's nuclear disarmament
    December 03, 28 minutes 9:00
    Japan has submitted a draft resolution to UN General Assembly expressed concern about North Korea's nuclear disarmament and the overall commitment to nuclear weapons, the resolution was adopted by majority vote.
    In the General Assembly, two days were made of the resolution submitted by the national vote over the issue of disarmament. Of these, the draft resolution submitted by Japan, for the abolition of nuclear weapons overall, with commitment to the international community to act together, and expressed concern over the construction of light water reactors and uranium enrichment program by North Korea . In the vote, as well as North Korea is opposed by China, Iran, and Israel is now in 11 countries that abstained, 169 countries agreed that a resolution was adopted by majority vote. The resolution was adopted, the North Korean ambassador to the UN Shinsonho "peaceful use of nuclear country's legitimate rights," and repeated the claim that nuclear development for peaceful purposes only that. The Japanese government, the resolution has been clearly shown that those seeking to abandon the idea of ​​international community in the North Korean nuclear program.
    www3.nhk.or.jp
    by lillymunster 12/3/2011 12:44:41 AM

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