Japan Earthquake

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by MaryW 12/19/2011 11:51:17 PM

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by MaryW 12/19/2011 11:52:45 PM

@Ian, if new, more deadly viral strains had evolved during that time, the cdc would have noticed.
by Peter 12/19/2011 11:53:11 PM

@Peter, your point being radiation might supply a missing causal agent?
by Ian 12/19/2011 11:54:34 PM

The Radiation and Public Health Project (RPHP) is a nonprofit educational and scientific organization, established by scientists and physicians dedicated to understanding the relationships between low-level, nuclear radiation and public health. www.radiation.org
by Majj 12/19/2011 11:55:40 PM

I am really not trying to be contrary today but radiation.org is the group that Mangano & Sherman are part of.

Given RPHP's threefold mission in the areas of research, education and public awareness, the history of RPHP can best be traced through its books and articles on radiation and nuclear issues--by Jay Gould, Ernest Sternglass, Joseph Mangano, Bill McDonnell, Janette Sherman and Jerry Brown.
by lillymunster 12/19/2011 11:56:06 PM

A PubMed search www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov on influenza radiation finds all of zip, zero, nada.
by Ian 12/19/2011 11:57:08 PM

@Ian 3.5 months on either side of an event is way too small of a window for a study. I'm with you on doubting this.
by lillymunster 12/19/2011 11:58:03 PM

OK..Fukushima never happened. OK.. No radiation has ever been released in the Nuclear explosion...OK..And IF any radiation was ever released, it only affected the people close to the area...OK NO way has radiation come to North America...OK We will continue to keep our narrow-minded heads in the sand.....Is this what I am hearing???
by MaryW 12/19/2011 11:58:56 PM

@MaryW shit science is shit science. Just because these two can't figure out the basics of research doesn't mean there isn't a big problem. Hype and flawed research isn't helping and also doesn't mean there isn't a problem
by lillymunster 12/20/2011 12:00:00 AM

Seeking New Clues to Cancer Risks From Atom Bomb Tests
Baby Tooth Science
by JOE MANGANO
The atom bomb tests over the Nevada desert are etched in the American consciousness, even though they ended nearly half a century ago. The clouds that looked like gigantic mushrooms rising into the stratosphere remind us of the Cold War-era American-Soviet race to test and manufacture as many nuclear weapons as possible to fight what many felt would be an inevitable nuclear war.
Those days are gone. The Cold War is over. Stockpiles of nuclear weapons are shrinking. All-out nuclear war, while still possible, is no longer regarded as inevitable. And testing has ended ? in the atmosphere and below the ground. Thus, it is tempting to think of bomb tests as a relic of history, with no current relevance.
But the tests ARE relevant. The Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty of 1996, ratified by 153 countries, has still not been endorsed by the U.S. Senate, or other atomic nations. Thus, testing could legally resume at any time. Moreover, research on health hazards of test fallout is far from complete. www.counterpunch.org
by Majj 12/20/2011 12:00:05 AM

@MaryW, it's just a matter of bad science. I'm blind to my a priori positions when it comes to evaluating the truth of statements, and the statements that have come from these authors have been extraordinary and based with worse than weak evidence.
by Ian 12/20/2011 12:01:17 AM

Just FYI Mangano DID NOT do the original tooth study. The group in St. Louis did it and that one is generally held to be scientifically sound. Mangano somehow managed to get the tooth samples from the archives of the original study. His study made some extrapolations that again started to go outside the quantifiably provable.
by lillymunster 12/20/2011 12:02:08 AM

i can only repeat, fukushima definitely has an impact on americans' health, and 14,000 deaths seems a plausible number for me.
by Edano 12/20/2011 12:02:19 AM

@Edano in 3.5 months?
by lillymunster 12/20/2011 12:02:43 AM

@lillymunster no.
by Edano 12/20/2011 12:03:29 AM

14,000 future cancer deaths. did i miss something ?
by Edano 12/20/2011 12:03:56 AM

Do we expect research should stop! and wait for 5 years before anything is explored?
by MaryW 12/20/2011 12:04:34 AM

@MaryW, one thing global-warming deniers have done is select a narrow range of time in recent decades wherein global temps dropped, and they crop a tight frame around that decline and claim that global temps are declining. Well yeah, but only for a brief time. That exact data manipulation is what Mangano did previously and the press release indicates it's what they back doing again. If it's BS when GW deniers do it, it's BS when anyone does it for any cause and it should be denounced.
by Ian 12/20/2011 12:04:50 AM

@Edano I think Mangano is trying to claim 14,000 have already died due to Fuku same as their baby death study that caused all sorts of panic and confusion.
by lillymunster 12/20/2011 12:05:01 AM

did they say 14,000 deaths have already occured ??? this would be nonsense indeed.
by Edano 12/20/2011 12:05:15 AM

@MaryW no, we expect research to be sound and based in facts.
by lillymunster 12/20/2011 12:05:16 AM

@Edano the PR release hinted that way and that was their claim on the baby study. We will have to wait for the study to find out for sure what they are claiming.
by lillymunster 12/20/2011 12:06:08 AM

i think they meant 14,000 future cancer deaths. that would be plausible.
by Edano 12/20/2011 12:06:44 AM

@Edano 14,000 deaths over a long time span I might buy, in 3.5 months = crazy and I would say impossible without chaos breaking out in the US
by lillymunster 12/20/2011 12:07:04 AM

An estimated 14,000 excess deaths in the United States are linked to the radioactive fallout from the disaster at the Fukushima nuclear reactors in Japan, according to a major new article in the December 2011 edition of the International Journal of Health Services.

Read more here: www.sacbee.com
by lillymunster 12/20/2011 12:08:06 AM

@lillymunster within 3.5 months there will be no one dead in usa because of fukushima, except maybe some heart attacks at the stock exchange.
by Edano 12/20/2011 12:08:31 AM

@MaryW , infant mortality is the best place to look for an effect. There definitely should be research on this. The data for that is strong wrt Chernobyl, and the child-mortality data-sets that have been peer-reviewed have only strengthened since. But I'm skeptical that the U.S. got enough, but it should be looked for!
by Ian 12/20/2011 12:09:20 AM

@MaryW If you base it on flawed models is it useless. The baby study they cherry picked a few months rather than taking a fuller set of data. When the longer set of data was employed their claim completely fell apart.
by lillymunster 12/20/2011 12:09:41 AM

@Ian, let's just hypothesize that a slight increase in radiation might increase the mutation rate resulting in more virulent strains, this should have happened in more countries. People would have noticed. Just take the bird flu or the swine flu as examples.
by Peter 12/20/2011 12:09:53 AM

@lillymunster it is not clearly formulated what they mean.
by Edano 12/20/2011 12:10:24 AM

I am listening to this live conversation of questions being called in. And they are saying nothing is a fact at this time. it is all in the works with the study and data being collected since March 11.
by MaryW 12/20/2011 12:10:53 AM

The Scientific American article that crunched the numbers on the Mangano baby death Fukushima study. blogs.scientificamerican.com
by lillymunster 12/20/2011 12:11:28 AM

@Peter, interesting idea, radiation-induced viral mutation/evolution. But Mangano and Sherman are suggesting more direct cause by impact on the human body. But it seems to be pure speculation. Just that is a bad sign, to be stating in the press release a causal effect that might not have a single supporting study.
by Ian 12/20/2011 12:13:07 AM

Medical Research comes about by federal grants, and corporate grants...If no is going to take the scientists studies seriously, they won't be backing.
by MaryW 12/20/2011 12:14:12 AM

Japan hoping to enhance robot technology in wake of nuclear disaster

TOKYO, Dec. 19, Kyodo

Nuclear disaster minister Goshi Hosono said Monday he hopes Japan will develop top-class robot technology that could be applied to scrapping the crippled nuclear reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant, after facing criticism that Japanese robots did not prove useful in dealing with the nuclear crisis at the plant.

Mentioning that some people had made ''disgraceful'' remarks that a Japanese robot had played the violin at the Shanghai Expo in 2010 but had not been deployed at the Fukushima plant, Hosono told the Foreign Correspondents' Club of Japan in Tokyo that Japan's unmanned technology has contributed to collecting radiation-contaminated rubble at the nuclear complex.

''In the 30 to 40 year decommissioning process, we need unmanned technology to take out nuclear fuel...and I want Japan to establish top-class technology in a true sense,'' Hosono said, adding that the government plans to make Fukushima Prefecture, where the plant is located, a base for such technological development. english.kyodonews.jp
by Edano 12/20/2011 12:14:32 AM

@Edano Does radiation cause rust on robots? :)
by MaryW 12/20/2011 12:15:28 AM

@MaryW nooo....
by Edano 12/20/2011 12:15:59 AM

@MaryW so what is the funding source for Radiation and Public Health Project? That is who they work for
by lillymunster 12/20/2011 12:17:24 AM

If it is an issue, the Federal Government will fund research. They can afford it and should in this case.
by MaryW 12/20/2011 12:19:56 AM

Funding being discuss right now on live radio program
by MaryW 12/20/2011 12:22:12 AM

@MaryW you said they must have govt. funding therefore making them legit. What is their funding? Should be easy to find
by lillymunster 12/20/2011 12:22:55 AM