Japan Earthquake

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@lillymunster Hi. Oh that is really a great idea! Hair can be tested for loads of abnormalities, not to exclude DNA changes.
by MaryW 12/20/2011 10:54:22 PM

greetings to all.... I made it through the surgeries and all and am rested...
by dean 12/20/2011 10:54:25 PM

Season Greetings to You!
by MaryW 12/20/2011 10:55:00 PM

Seasons Greetings to you MaryW and lilly
by dean 12/20/2011 10:55:19 PM

Dean! Very good to see you!
by lillymunster 12/20/2011 10:55:35 PM

ty lilly.. likewise.. it's nice to be here
by dean 12/20/2011 10:55:53 PM

I have lost track of all the news so I have much catching up to do
by dean 12/20/2011 10:56:09 PM

@dean well nothing has exploded lately :-)
by lillymunster 12/20/2011 10:57:16 PM

that's good @ lilly or caved in?
by dean 12/20/2011 10:59:09 PM

@dean nothing has caved in. They did rip the top part off the front of unit 4 so it didn't fall off and so they can get at things easier
by lillymunster 12/20/2011 11:00:02 PM

@MaryW, I just have checked the gmail and will try to answer or send off the information you sent.. ty much
by dean 12/20/2011 11:01:24 PM

@lilly.. I saw on one site where they had debris over some of the grids in #4 blocking cooling and also a bent top on a fuel element ... did you see that?
by dean 12/20/2011 11:01:58 PM

They are going to drill a hole into unit 2's containment in the next 2 weeks to take a peek. They have some sort of radiation proof camera on order from Sweden
by lillymunster 12/20/2011 11:02:10 PM

@dean OH..that was some time ago. I think you can discard that one :)
by MaryW 12/20/2011 11:02:22 PM

ok Mary
by dean 12/20/2011 11:02:32 PM

@dean no. I didn't see that, you mean the grid in the fuel pool?
by lillymunster 12/20/2011 11:02:53 PM

the spend fuel grid.. yes..
by dean 12/20/2011 11:03:11 PM

@dean Now I remember...I was able to gmail lilly on that
by MaryW 12/20/2011 11:03:34 PM

@dean ah. Last picture I saw had a few small pieces of stuff and the step ladder in the pool. They may have cleaned other things out? They put floating foam covers on the pool before they ripped the building remains off.
by lillymunster 12/20/2011 11:04:40 PM

I will search for where I saw that @lilly... and come back after awhile or in the morning.... time for eating now.. sure nice to see you all and be here.. later
by dean 12/20/2011 11:07:44 PM

later Dean! Good seeing you back~
by lillymunster 12/20/2011 11:10:57 PM

December 20, 2011
Report: Natural Gas Resurges Following Fukushima Disaster Global consumption of natural gas hit a record 111.9 trillion cubic feet in 2010, and today this form of fossil fuel accounts for about 23.8 percent of total energy usage, says a study report conducted by Vital Signs Online.
More than anything else, the fate of natural gas has changed significantly since Japan’s Fukushima nuclear plant disaster. Nowadays, more and more nations are thinking of shunning nuclear power in exchange for natural gas. green.tmcnet.com
by MaryW 12/20/2011 11:34:22 PM

Expert says no future for nuclear in Japan after Fukushima
Posted On Wednesday, 21 Dec 2011. The President of the Japanese Economic Association, Professor Tatsuo Hatta says Fukushima shows nuclear power has no future in Japan because it is much more expensive to produce than previously thought.

www.independentaustralia.net
by MaryW 12/20/2011 11:38:23 PM

Radiation impact on Fukushima kids to be monitored. The Japanese government will monitor the impact of radiation exposure on children born to mothers in Fukushima Prefecture.

The Environment Ministry said on Tuesday that the monitoring program will cover 25,000 children.

The program will look for any links between the radiation exposure of the mothers and congenital abnormalities, asthma, allergies or other diseases of their children.

The checks will continue until the children reach the age of 13.

The ministry decided to carry out the monitoring amid rising public concern about radioactive contamination from the disaster at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant.

Fukushima Prefecture is already checking the health of all its residents and their radiation exposure.
Wednesday, December 21, 2011 04:00 +0900 (JST) www3.nhk.or.jp
by MaryW 12/20/2011 11:41:58 PM

New SciAm debunking of Mangano & Sherman II : blogs.scientificamerican.com
by Ian 12/20/2011 11:45:39 PM

@Ian Michael Moyer addressed almost all scientific flaws that I found in that document. Fortunately, he spared us of a thorough analysis of the data that should have been used for the Mangano & Sherman report but wasn't because, like Moyer stated, their research was constructed from a desired outcome backwards. In order to achieve that they had to chose wisely from the pool of data in order to satisfy their claims. If Moyer had gone through the painstaking trouble of going through the data he might have found something even worse. That some of it might have been cooked to fit the report's goal. The statistical approach from Mangano & Sherman is in itself outrageous. Unfortunately, all the commotion around the report will probably sell a few hundred thousand books. The dark side of freedom of speech. Thanks for the link. Good night to all and keep up the great work.
by Pedro Jesus 12/21/2011 12:32:31 AM

unusual marine mamal deaths motherjones.com
by lillymunster 12/21/2011 12:32:59 AM

More Mangano & Sherman debunking: www.reportingonhealth.org
by Ian 12/21/2011 12:39:39 AM

@Ian Ian's link is a very good discussion of journals,peer review and how to analyze credibility. It is a worthwhile read
by lillymunster 12/21/2011 12:48:38 AM

@Pedro Jesus, I'm hoping some critic will dig into the data in detail. Mangano says he hopes his paper will be a stimulus for more comprehensive work, it's like he's giving himself an out for not being more comprehensive.
by Ian 12/21/2011 12:54:27 AM

Does the CDC issue nationwide death data annually that would actually be usable for a comparison?
by lillymunster 12/21/2011 12:56:42 AM

IE: all deaths, age groups, cause category, region of residence at death
by lillymunster 12/21/2011 12:57:26 AM

@lillymunster, right, a lot of meta-analytical data in that article. And a sorry example of anti-nuclear activists offering themselves up as examples agenda-driven junk scientists. That's what I just don't get about them, it's as if they lack the meta-cognitive ability to see themselves through the eyes of others. When they were working on this paper, they were apparently incapable of anticipating how easily it will be torn apart and what the consequences of that would be.
by Ian 12/21/2011 1:00:27 AM

More on the Pacific seal disease and death outbreak www.alaskafisheries.noaa.gov
by lillymunster 12/21/2011 1:18:15 AM

I did some additional looking on the seal outbreak in Alaska. Hydrazine is highly toxic to marine mammals. TEPCO has been dumping hydrazine into unit 3 and other reactors off and on. It was in large amounts early on. Marine mammals are also highly susceptible to thyroid damage from radioactive iodine.
They also seem to suck up cesium 137 efficiently books.google.com
by lillymunster 12/21/2011 2:04:37 AM

Here's a debunking of an article Mangano & Sherman wrote addressing their first "study" : nuclearpoweryesplease.org
by Ian 12/21/2011 2:07:07 AM

@lillymunster, there's sure to be some kind of aquatic-life fallout from all the oceanic fallout, perhaps the likes of which have never been seen since this is certainly the worse oceanic nuclear disaster.
by Ian 12/21/2011 2:33:26 AM

@Ian It is hard to say for sure but we do know that there are concentrations of radiation dumped into the sea in the currents. I am not familiar with the migration patterns of the seals and walruses in question to know if they could have passed through areas known to have radiation concentrations. Hydrazine if it doesn't disperse or was caught in with the rest of the outflow from the plant could have been concentrated enough to be a problem. Obviously some big missing pieces of information but it is concerning that they can't find the cause of this outbreak.
by lillymunster 12/21/2011 2:43:49 AM

@Ian @lillymunster At least they're looking at radiation as a possible cause. Interesting that it's hitting them in Russia, Canada and Alaska- all Pacific Ocean and all affected by fuku fallout. "Testing continues for a wide range of possible factors that may be responsible for the animals’ condition, including immune system-related diseases, fungi, man-made and bio-toxins, radiation exposure, contaminants, and stressors related to sea ice change.

Walruses and ringed seals in Russia, and ringed seals in Canada, have reportedly suffered similar symptoms. While it is not clear if the disease events are related, the timing and location of the disease suggests the possibility of transmission between the populations, or shared exposure to an environmental cause." www.alaskafisheries.noaa.gov
by M.I.A. 12/21/2011 3:31:17 AM

More on an iconic tsunami picture www.sacbee.com
by lillymunster 12/21/2011 3:44:42 AM

Japan prosecutors raid Olympus is.gd
by lillymunster 12/21/2011 3:55:28 AM

The earliest report on the seals I could find was in the Huffpost on Oc. 13, 2011. Haven't popped up anything on the Okhotsk seals, which are found in Northern Japan coast.
by M.I.A. 12/21/2011 3:58:10 AM

Questions—and cases—mount in seal disease outbreak
Mystery illness killing Arctic ringed seals may be spreading. An international team of researchers is trying to identify what's behind a disease outbreak among ringed seals, the most common ice seal in the Northern Hemisphere. www.avma.org
by Majj 12/21/2011 4:12:07 AM

@M.I.A ..... The outbreak was first reported this July along the North Slope of Alaska. Severely ill and dead ringed seals were found with excessive hair loss and lesions on their faces and flippers. Other signs associated with the disease are delayed molt, lethargy, unusual behavior, and labored breathing.... fron the artcle below.
by Majj 12/21/2011 4:12:49 AM

@M.I.A., let's hope GreenPeace can get some blood samples of these poor critters. The symptoms don't sound radiation related, unless it was acute poisoning, in which case it should be easy to detect with a blood test for radionuclides. I hope they also think about hydrazine, as lilly mentioned.
by Ian 12/21/2011 4:20:55 AM