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@lillymunster He can run a bar tab on scribblelive account
by MaryW 1/16/2012 4:43:09 PM

On the thyroid cancer increases. This study from 2004 shows median latency for thyroid cancers. it is about 30-40 years. This times back to an exposure of 1964-1974. That coordinates with Mary's color graph below of the rather constant testing years. It also coordinates with the massive construction and starting of nuclear plants in the US www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
by lillymunster 1/16/2012 4:43:43 PM

We have a few part time lurkers from Tokyo on the board. :-)
by lillymunster 1/16/2012 4:44:27 PM

US nuclear testing went to underground after 1962 en.wikipedia.org

IEER paper on US nuclear fallout and cancer deaths IEER

US nuclear fallout maps
www.260press.com
by lillymunster 1/16/2012 4:50:06 PM

@lillymunster I am going to have to do an interview with my Mom. She remembers have to talk iodine in grade school. She also was a victim of radiation skin burn as an adult in the late 1950s-early1960s. Her entire exposed skin was a red, purple burn after driving tractor on the farm. Her thyroid disintegrated. And has been on thyroid meds ever since.
by MaryW 1/16/2012 4:56:13 PM

Cesium deposited from all US nuclear tests www.ieer.org
by lillymunster 1/16/2012 4:56:20 PM

@MaryW what part of the country did she live in?
by lillymunster 1/16/2012 4:56:48 PM

@lillymunster, is the map you posted for weapons-test fallout? It's kinda similar to radon maps.

by Ian 1/16/2012 4:57:47 PM

The school and farm location is Midwest, WI, about 40 miles north of Milwaukee
by MaryW 1/16/2012 4:57:58 PM

When we were little kids, our neighbor boy died from leukemia. Time period would of been around 1960-63. Little Peter had blood running out of his ears.
by MaryW 1/16/2012 5:00:23 PM

IEER fact sheet on exposure from above ground tests www.ieer.org
by lillymunster 1/16/2012 5:02:35 PM

@MaryW ?? how were people exposed to high levels in that part of WI? I can't think of a facility that far north in WI
by lillymunster 1/16/2012 5:03:22 PM

@Ian those are bomb test fallout maps
by lillymunster 1/16/2012 5:03:37 PM

www.radongas.com The radon map has some similarity to the test-fallout map below, in that the north-middle US states are high dose. I'd like to see a cancer map too.
by Ian via Radongas 1/16/2012 5:04:13 PM

by Ian via Prostatehealthnaturally 1/16/2012 5:07:10 PM

Not that radon would be associated with prostate cancer, but the fallout might be, and this map has a strong similarity to the fallout map below.
by Ian 1/16/2012 5:08:48 PM

Cancer Mortality Maps: ratecalc.cancer.gov
by Ian 1/16/2012 5:10:16 PM

All-cancer mortality is highly weighted to the Mississippi and the east cost.
by Ian 1/16/2012 5:15:05 PM

Paper on grass roots activism in Japan www.eastwestcenter.org
by lillymunster 1/16/2012 5:15:12 PM

more review of the Yokohama conference www.japansubculture.com
by lillymunster 1/16/2012 5:18:50 PM

@Ian The radon you see on the map is not produced by fallout. It is a natural occurring element therefore considered background radiation. The fact that the maps overlap is probably coincidental (not counting the cancer rate map).
by Pedro Jesus 1/16/2012 5:20:31 PM

“To promote business and industry under the same agency is just like having the police and the thieves working under the same umbrella”, Eisaku Sato said.

Someone needs to tell the NRC this.
by lillymunster 1/16/2012 5:21:04 PM

@Pedro, lol, I know that!
by Ian 1/16/2012 5:22:29 PM

@Ian Your comments down there left me dubious, that's why I emphasized that idea. I apologize.
by Pedro Jesus 1/16/2012 5:25:11 PM

@Pedro, it's okay. I've only argued for hot rains being natural radon washout a few hundred times. I was just pointing out that the two maps were similar, and so there's a part of the US getting high dose on two scores.

by Ian 1/16/2012 5:32:34 PM

This is interesting but disturbing. en.wikipedia.org
by MaryW 1/16/2012 5:34:42 PM

@Ian , I think the maps reflect precipitation patterns more than anything.
by Peter 1/16/2012 5:34:51 PM

Fallout research

Cover of the final report of Project 4.1, which examined the effects of radioactive fallout on the natives of the Marshall Islands
In 1954, American scientists conducted fallout exposure research on the citizens of the Marshall Islands after they were inadvertently irradiated[73] by the Castle Bravo nuclear test in Project 4.1. The Bravo test was detonated upwind of Rongelap Atoll and the residents were exposed to serious radiation levels, up to 180 rads. Of the 236 Marshallese exposed, some developed severe radiation sickness and one died, and long term effects included birth defects, "jellyfish" babies, and thyroid problems.[74]
In 1957, atmospheric nuclear explosions in Nevada, which were part of Operation Plumbbob were later determined to have released enough radiation to have caused from 11,000 to 212,000 excess cases of thyroid cancer amongst U.S. citizens who were exposed to fallout from the explosions, leading to between 1,100 and 21,000 deaths.[75] -Unethical human experimentation in the United States. en.wikipedia.org
by MaryW 1/16/2012 5:37:00 PM

@Peter the fallout maps of the US match up with typical weather patterns.
by lillymunster 1/16/2012 5:38:37 PM

@Peter, which maps?
by Ian 1/16/2012 5:38:44 PM

Just as a random thought, tepco seems to justify the whole calamity with the unprecedented tsunami. If the people of Japan ever wish to find out the actual causes of the reactor meltdowns, the government of Japan must send inspectors to the plant who accompany tepco employees on their forays into the buildings.
by Peter 1/16/2012 5:40:16 PM

@Ian , the fallout and the radon maps. Could be that some radon released into the air gets washed out with the rain/snow.
by Peter 1/16/2012 5:44:14 PM

@Peter the current problem is NISA doesn't seem to have enough impartiality. Though maybe in light of the disaster they may be more obligated. It is still weird how little the govt is involved in the disaster. I would have thought at some point the govt would have taken an upper hand to assure public safety. If there is a real big problem at a plant in the US they send a batch of NRC inspectors out. Though that doesn't always solve everything as seen at Ft. Calhoun
by lillymunster 1/16/2012 5:46:50 PM

And as to the cancers, one really needs to look at incidence maps.
by Peter 1/16/2012 5:48:54 PM

@Ian @MaryW Well, but radon presence around the globe have been quite stable for the last millions of years... I don't think human activity is to blame on that one. Plus, there are other factors that can lead to cancer, such as air pollution. And if you check the cancer rates against the concentration of air pollutants in the atmosphere you'll get a pretty good match, even a better match than if you compare cancer rate with background radiation in different areas.
by Pedro Jesus 1/16/2012 5:50:37 PM

Scenery of obstacle removal by crane barge at intake cannel of Unit 1 to 4
date: 16 Jan 2012.
by MaryW 1/16/2012 5:51:18 PM

by MaryW via Tepco.co.jp 1/16/2012 5:54:44 PM

@Peter, though I believe radon rain washout is pretty local, so I'm inclined to suspect the radon map is more a measure of local uranium content in the soil than of radon transported by rain.
by Ian 1/16/2012 5:56:23 PM

removal date is Jan 14th (the 16th is the posting date) www.tepco.co.jp
by MaryW via Tepco.co.jp 1/16/2012 5:56:26 PM

removal date is Jan 14th (the 16th is the posting date) www.tepco.co.jp
by MaryW via Tepco.co.jp 1/16/2012 5:56:31 PM

Rally held against oldest nuclear plant in France

A demonstration was held on Sunday near France's oldest nuclear power plant, demanding the immediate shutdown of the facility.

About 300 people gathered for the rally in the eastern French town of Fessenheim near the German and Swiss borders. Some of the activists were from Germany and Switzerland. www3.nhk.or.jp
by MaryW 1/16/2012 6:00:07 PM

@lillymunster , the government (law enforcement) should have an interest in preserving the evidence, if it only was for legal rasons like liabilities, insurances, law suits etc. I wonder whether insurance companies already send adjusters to the plant, ;)
by Peter 1/16/2012 6:00:10 PM