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  • will return
    by dean 2/4/2012 3:39:11 PM

  • From Dean's link on the steam generators:
    by lillymunster 2/4/2012 3:48:14 PM


  • MHI’s RSGs have been highly acclaimed internationally for their technology, quality and robust track record. The company has processed overseas orders of 28 units, mainly from North America and Europe. The total reaches 122 units if SGs and RSGs for the domestic market are included. By providing RSGs and other replacement components, MHI has helped extend the operational life and boost the safety and economic efficiency of the existing PWR NPPs both in Japan and abroad

    If these other units possible suffer from the same manufacturing flaw we have a major problem..
    by lillymunster 2/4/2012 3:49:15 PM

  • @lilly.. I hadn't left yet... yes on that comment, must find a common mode failure and see if the sizing of the tubes inorder to gain efficiencies ie: thinner tubing for better heat transfer etc, is something that results in corrosion or thinning
    by dean 2/4/2012 3:53:14 PM

  • also, the chemistry control on the huge components is very critical.. I wish we could see the inspection reports that were made by MHI when they self admitted that there was a problem with the ones shipped ..
    by dean 2/4/2012 3:54:02 PM

  • moving steam generators throug san diego

    by dean 2/4/2012 3:56:28 PM

  • sanonofresafety.org more information on onofre's SG's defects
    by dean 2/4/2012 3:59:48 PM

  • HERE IS A PRIME EXAMPLE that can some times lead to problems... "allowing a deviation to the code" This is from that post -
    However, for the SONGS Unit 3 RSGs, the fabricator requested and the licensee approved a deviation to allow using an alternative method (in this case ACAG) to prepare the LAS surface for butter application. According to the American Society of Mechanical Engineers Boiler and Pressure Vessel Code (ASME Code), Section IX, this deviation did not require the requalification of the welding procedure because this aspect of the weld joint preparation was not considered an essential variable.
    by dean 2/4/2012 4:01:19 PM

  • @elainekirk I did my self they same question wen I read the article. May is be because sounds like "Terrorist" ????
    by Majj 2/4/2012 4:15:23 PM

  • WILL RETURN
    by dean 2/4/2012 4:18:07 PM

  • Boy, I don't check in for a day and all heck breaks loose. ;)
    by Shadow 2/4/2012 4:22:13 PM

  • To answer @Lilly's question also note this report is from 2000
    SUBJECT: SAN ONOFRE NUCLEAR GENERATING STATION, UNITS 2 AND 3 - RE:
    STEAM GENERATOR SLEEVING (TAC NOS. MA4487 AND MA4488)

    Dear Mr. Ray:

    The purpose of this letter is to acknowledge your April 5, 2000, letter which requested that the
    U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) staff suspend its review of your proposed license
    amendments (submittal dated December 22, 1998, PCN-489) relating to the installation of
    Westinghouse laser-welded sleeves as a tube repair method at San Onofre Generating Station
    (SONGS), Units 2 and 3.

    The NRC staff is discussing this issue with the Westinghouse and Wisconsin Public Service
    Corporation regarding implementation of this tube repair methodology at Kewaunee Nuclear
    Power Plant
    . The technical discussion that the staff is engaged in with the Westinghouse and
    Wisconsin Public Service Corporation also applies to your proposed amendments for SONGS.
    Pending resolution of this issue with the Westinghouse and Wisconsin Public Service
    Corporation, you do not plan to implement the proposed tube repair method during the current
    cycle. As a result, you have requested the NRC staff suspend its review of your license
    amendment request. In accordance with your request, we have discontinued our review of your
    amendment application. The technical assignment control (TAC) numbers MA4487 and
    MA4488 under which our review was being performed are, therefore, closed. You have
    indicated that at a future date, you may request that the NRC staff resume its review. At that
    time, we will perform our review under new TAC numbers.

    If you have any questions regarding this matter, please write or call me at 301-415-1471. pbadupws.nrc.gov
    by elainekirk 2/4/2012 4:40:10 PM

  • @Shadow yep! I hate that. It seems like I leave for a day and something horrible happens
    by lillymunster 2/4/2012 4:44:07 PM

  • The nrc have docs showing the 50% thinning problem was known about in tubes from these steam gens back in 77 pbadupws.nrc.gov
    by elainekirk 2/4/2012 4:50:54 PM

  • link isn't working
    by lillymunster 2/4/2012 4:52:24 PM

  • does this one docs.google.com
    by elainekirk 2/4/2012 4:59:41 PM

  • Slovenia nuclear plant cuts output for repair work
    www.nuclearpowerdaily.com
    "... there is no risk (of nuclear leaks) at all"

    This plant at Krsko has been mentioned when discussing about iodine releases in Europe.
    European Radiation Leak Update Nov 13, 2011
    www.simplyinfo.org
    by VesaVA 2/4/2012 5:01:18 PM

  • Prairie Island docs.google.com
    by elainekirk 2/4/2012 5:07:34 PM

  • The nrc have a steam generator tubes integrity program this is one of their reports Resolution of Generic Safety Issues: Issue 163: Multiple Steam Generator Tube Leakage ( NUREG-0933, Main Report with Supplements 1–34 ) www.nrc.gov
    by elainekirk 2/4/2012 5:10:47 PM

  • Reference radioactive materials finally arrive in Japan

    "In radiological measurements, the amounts of radioactive substances are estimated on the basis of gamma ray emissions, but measuring equipment can only monitor rays that travel in certain directions. Gamma rays are also partially absorbed by water, soil and other materials.

    To ensure that measurements are precise, it is essential to evaluate beforehand what percentage of the gamma rays the measurement gauge can monitor. Any errors in that assumption lead to inaccurate estimates.

    IAEA reference materials, which are employed as an international standard, have been limited until now in Japan, making it difficult to calibrate measurement instruments . In one case, tea leaves, whose contamination level was below the safety standard according to a measurement in Japan, exceeded that standard in France when they were exported."

    ajw.asahi.com
    by VesaVA 2/4/2012 5:33:15 PM

  • Falsified labor deals rampant at Japan's nuke plants, says suspect

    "Falsified labor contracts have been rampant for so long. If the government is dead serious about stamping them out, nuclear power plants will stop running."

    mdn.mainichi.jp
    by VesaVA 2/4/2012 5:46:55 PM

  • @VesaVA Now that I can believe
    by elainekirk 2/4/2012 5:47:46 PM

  • Elaine can u restart org. I'm on my phone
    by lillymunster 2/4/2012 6:31:19 PM

  • Vesa was it you that found the iodine spike in finland? Makes me wonder if the slovenia plant is the cause?
    by lillymunster 2/4/2012 6:33:43 PM

  • @lillymunster okies
    by elainekirk 2/4/2012 7:05:50 PM

  • WTF!! they leave relevant events out of the reckoning because they would influence the results?????? OMG
    Note that the 2003 blackout event in the safety system actuations graph (Figure 2) and the 2000
    steam generator tube rupture event at Indian Point Nuclear Generating Unit 2 in the reactor
    coolant system leakage graph (Figure 10) were not included in the short-term data for the
    purpose of determining prediction limits. They were excluded from the development of the
    prediction limit models because they are considered outlier events that overly influenced the
    statistical analysis of the industry-wide data. This treatment results in a more conservative
    prediction limit.
    www.nrc.gov
    by elainekirk 2/4/2012 7:15:19 PM

  • June 2011

    TUBE INTEGRITY REQUIREMENTS

    Steam Generator tube integrity requirements occur in several forms. Current technical
    specifications are based on an outdated assumption that the dominant forms of tube
    degradation are pitting and general wastage of the overall wall thickness. For the
    growth rates observed for these types of degradation and one-year fuel cycle lengths,
    limiting tube flaw depths to 40% of the wall thickness at the beginning of the cycle
    provides reasonable assurance that the tubes will meet the licensing basis requirements
    by the end of the cycle. Pits that penetrate the wall are limited in size by the technical specification limit on operational leakage. Licensing basis analyses assume that
    accident leakage is at the limit for operational leakage, and that the leak rate will not
    increase due to the accident. That is a valid assumption for pits, but not for cracks,
    which have become the dominant form of degradation in reactors today. If an accident
    produces higher than normal pressure difference across the tube walls, cracks may
    open. Flaws that did not leak during normal operation may begin to leak, and the rate
    of leakage may greatly increase through cracks that were already leaking slightly during
    normal operation. Also, crack depths have been observed to grow at much higher rates
    than was assumed for wastage.....
    www.nrc.gov
    by elainekirk 2/4/2012 7:21:40 PM

  • @lillymunster, yes it was me. Source of radiation remains unresolved again, I believe. Some more information can be found here:
    hisz.rsoe.hu

    "According to NRPA calculations, the radioactive particles were carried by wind from the south east, indicating that they came either from or through Russian territory.""

    "Murmansk’s Atomflot, Russia’s nuclear icebreaker base, denied in an covernversation with Bellona Murmansk that it any involvement in the releases of the Iodine."
    by VesaVA 2/4/2012 7:33:28 PM

  • GREETINGS TO ALL
    by dean 2/4/2012 8:21:39 PM

  • nuclearaustralia.blogspot.com the spring / summer of 2003 FirstEnergy, a utility in the US State of Ohio, was supposed to trim trees away from high voltage transmission lines, but failed to do so. In the afternoon of 14-August, demand (or load) began to rise sharply on the electrical grid. The high voltage wires became heated and sagged into the untrimmed trees, initiating a sequence of events that resulted in the shutdown of more than 100 power plants, loss of electrical service for 55 million customers in the US and Canada, and spread so quickly that it took an international investigative panel 6 months to issue a findings report.
    by dean 2/4/2012 8:23:35 PM

  • @ELAINE.. on the article about lower power on the reactor in slovenia one thing of importance is that the reactor is scheduled to shutdown in april for a month long outage. Now if that was in the USA they would shutdown for a much shorter time because of the profits involved ie: utilities have tried to move as much work requiring reactor outages to non outage periods which reduces the time needed for fuel change, thus getting the reactor back on line for more profits... difference between 16 to 20 days vice 30 days is a big amount of profits to the utility stock holders..
    by dean 2/4/2012 8:51:09 PM

  • @dean yeah money first people last
    by elainekirk 2/4/2012 9:21:02 PM

  • back
    by dean 2/4/2012 10:13:04 PM

  • @VesaVA my unsubstantiated guess is Chernobyl or Slovenia
    by lillymunster 2/4/2012 11:55:55 PM

  • Damn - 573 deaths 'related to nuclear crisis'

    www.yomiuri.co.jp
    by lillymunster 2/5/2012 12:08:10 AM

  • When I was in Japan, I was so sick. I started having diarrhea since last summer. got sore throat and fatigue. From autumn to winter, I started caughing and couldn’t stop in December. I took double dose of coughing meds.
    I became fine soon as I came to Europe. I really appreciate my host family. fukushima-diary.com
    by Majj 2/5/2012 12:12:13 AM

  • more plants with steam generator issues enformable.com
    by lillymunster 2/5/2012 12:24:13 AM

  • @lillymunster is there any info on how long they expected life on the new steam generators? or how long the original steam generators lasted? I bet this will be an expensive oops and a lot a time spent in court to see who pays.
    by RonD 2/5/2012 12:43:53 AM

  • @lilly hi
    by dean 2/5/2012 1:24:35 AM

  • www.intechopen.com general information on steam generators
    by dean 2/5/2012 1:30:52 AM

  • general lifetime numbers (validated serviceability of the 08Kh18N10T austenitic steel tubes (the maximum
    operational age is 38 years for
    - PGV-440 and 23 years for PGV-1000)
    by dean 2/5/2012 1:32:27 AM

  • sorry, stepped away to get some dinner. Back now
    by lillymunster 2/5/2012 1:40:07 AM

  • @dean so had most of these ever been replaced before the current round of replacements?
    by lillymunster 2/5/2012 1:42:38 AM

  • unit 2 is this a bit on the high side?
    rature rise, the temperature at the upper head of the bottom
    of PCV has risen to approx. 67.2 °C at the highest (as of 4 pm on
    February 4, 2012), but currently, it is approx. 65.1°C (as of 5 pm on
    February 4, 2012). The trend of the temperature seems to be steady and we
    will monitor it continuously.
    www.tepco.co.jp
    the above link is status at 5pm on the 4th the link below is the status on the morning of the 4th
    www.tepco.co.jp
    by elainekirk 2/5/2012 1:43:54 AM

  • @elainekirk has watering changed?
    by lillymunster 2/5/2012 1:47:13 AM

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