
will return
by dean 2/4/2012 3:39:11 PM

From Dean's link on the steam generators:
by lillymunster 2/4/2012 3:48:14 PM

MHI’s RSGs have been highly acclaimed internationally for their technology, quality and robust track record. The company has processed overseas orders of 28 units, mainly from North America and Europe. The total reaches 122 units if SGs and RSGs for the domestic market are included. By providing RSGs and other replacement components, MHI has helped extend the operational life and boost the safety and economic efficiency of the existing PWR NPPs both in Japan and abroad
If these other units possible suffer from the same manufacturing flaw we have a major problem..
by lillymunster 2/4/2012 3:49:15 PM

@lilly.. I hadn't left yet... yes on that comment, must find a common mode failure and see if the sizing of the tubes inorder to gain efficiencies ie: thinner tubing for better heat transfer etc, is something that results in corrosion or thinning
by dean 2/4/2012 3:53:14 PM

also, the chemistry control on the huge components is very critical.. I wish we could see the inspection reports that were made by MHI when they self admitted that there was a problem with the ones shipped ..
by dean 2/4/2012 3:54:02 PM

by dean 2/4/2012 3:56:28 PM

sanonofresafety.org more information on onofre's SG's defects
by dean 2/4/2012 3:59:48 PM

HERE IS A PRIME EXAMPLE that can some times lead to problems... "allowing a deviation to the code" This is from that post -
However, for the SONGS Unit 3 RSGs, the fabricator requested and the licensee approved a deviation to allow using an alternative method (in this case ACAG) to prepare the LAS surface for butter application. According to the American Society of Mechanical Engineers Boiler and Pressure Vessel Code (ASME Code), Section IX, this deviation did not require the requalification of the welding procedure because this aspect of the weld joint preparation was not considered an essential variable.
by dean 2/4/2012 4:01:19 PM

WILL RETURN
by dean 2/4/2012 4:18:07 PM

To answer @Lilly's question also note this report is from
2000SUBJECT: SAN ONOFRE NUCLEAR GENERATING STATION, UNITS 2 AND 3 - RE:
STEAM GENERATOR SLEEVING (TAC NOS. MA4487 AND MA4488)
Dear Mr. Ray:
The purpose of this letter is to acknowledge your April 5, 2000, letter which requested that the
U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) staff suspend its review of your proposed license
amendments (submittal dated December 22, 1998, PCN-489) relating to the installation of
Westinghouse laser-welded sleeves as a tube repair method at San Onofre Generating Station
(SONGS), Units 2 and 3.
The NRC staff is discussing this issue with the Westinghouse and Wisconsin Public Service
Corporation regarding implementation of this tube repair methodology at
Kewaunee Nuclear
Power Plant. The technical discussion that the staff is engaged in with the Westinghouse and
Wisconsin Public Service Corporation also applies to your proposed amendments for SONGS.
Pending resolution of this issue with the Westinghouse and Wisconsin Public Service
Corporation, you do not plan to implement the proposed tube repair method during the current
cycle. As a result, you have requested the NRC staff suspend its review of your license
amendment request. In accordance with your request, we have discontinued our review of your
amendment application. The technical assignment control (TAC) numbers MA4487 and
MA4488 under which our review was being performed are, therefore, closed. You have
indicated that at a future date, you may request that the NRC staff resume its review. At that
time, we will perform our review under new TAC numbers.
If you have any questions regarding this matter, please write or call me at 301-415-1471.
pbadupws.nrc.govby elainekirk 2/4/2012 4:40:10 PM

@Shadow yep! I hate that. It seems like I leave for a day and something horrible happens
by lillymunster 2/4/2012 4:44:07 PM

The nrc have docs showing the 50% thinning problem was known about in tubes from these steam gens back in 77
pbadupws.nrc.govby elainekirk 2/4/2012 4:50:54 PM

link isn't working
by lillymunster 2/4/2012 4:52:24 PM

by elainekirk 2/4/2012 4:59:41 PM

Prairie Island
docs.google.comby elainekirk 2/4/2012 5:07:34 PM

The nrc have a steam generator tubes integrity program this is one of their reports Resolution of Generic Safety Issues: Issue 163: Multiple Steam Generator Tube Leakage ( NUREG-0933, Main Report with Supplements 1–34 )
www.nrc.govby elainekirk 2/4/2012 5:10:47 PM

@VesaVA Now that I can believe
by elainekirk 2/4/2012 5:47:46 PM

Elaine can u restart org. I'm on my phone
by lillymunster 2/4/2012 6:31:19 PM

Vesa was it you that found the iodine spike in finland? Makes me wonder if the slovenia plant is the cause?
by lillymunster 2/4/2012 6:33:43 PM

@lillymunster okies
by elainekirk 2/4/2012 7:05:50 PM

WTF!! they leave relevant events out of the reckoning because they would influence the results?????? OMGNote that the 2003 blackout event in the safety system actuations graph (Figure 2) and the 2000
steam generator tube rupture event at Indian Point Nuclear Generating Unit 2 in the reactor
coolant system leakage graph (Figure 10) were not included in the short-term data for the
purpose of determining prediction limits. They were excluded from the development of the
prediction limit models because they are considered outlier events that overly influenced the
statistical analysis of the industry-wide data. This treatment results in a more conservative
prediction limit.
www.nrc.gov by elainekirk 2/4/2012 7:15:19 PM

June 2011
TUBE INTEGRITY REQUIREMENTS
Steam Generator tube integrity requirements occur in several forms. Current technical
specifications are based on an outdated assumption that the dominant forms of tube
degradation are pitting and general wastage of the overall wall thickness. For the
growth rates observed for these types of degradation and one-year fuel cycle lengths,
limiting tube flaw depths to 40% of the wall thickness at the beginning of the cycle
provides reasonable assurance that the tubes will meet the licensing basis requirements
by the end of the cycle. Pits that penetrate the wall are limited in size by the technical specification limit on operational leakage. Licensing basis analyses assume that
accident leakage is at the limit for operational leakage, and that the leak rate will not
increase due to the accident. That is a valid assumption for pits, but not for cracks,
which have become the dominant form of degradation in reactors today. If an accident
produces higher than normal pressure difference across the tube walls, cracks may
open. Flaws that did not leak during normal operation may begin to leak, and the rate
of leakage may greatly increase through cracks that were already leaking slightly during
normal operation. Also, crack depths have been observed to grow at much higher rates
than was assumed for wastage.....
www.nrc.govby elainekirk 2/4/2012 7:21:40 PM

GREETINGS TO ALL
by dean 2/4/2012 8:21:39 PM

nuclearaustralia.blogspot.com the spring / summer of 2003 FirstEnergy, a utility in the US State of Ohio, was supposed to trim trees away from high voltage transmission lines, but failed to do so. In the afternoon of 14-August, demand (or load) began to rise sharply on the electrical grid. The high voltage wires became heated and sagged into the untrimmed trees, initiating a sequence of events that resulted in the shutdown of more than 100 power plants, loss of electrical service for 55 million customers in the US and Canada, and spread so quickly that it took an international investigative panel 6 months to issue a findings report.
by dean 2/4/2012 8:23:35 PM

@ELAINE.. on the article about lower power on the reactor in slovenia one thing of importance is that the reactor is scheduled to shutdown in april for a month long outage. Now if that was in the USA they would shutdown for a much shorter time because of the profits involved ie: utilities have tried to move as much work requiring reactor outages to non outage periods which reduces the time needed for fuel change, thus getting the reactor back on line for more profits... difference between 16 to 20 days vice 30 days is a big amount of profits to the utility stock holders..
by dean 2/4/2012 8:51:09 PM

@dean yeah money first people last
by elainekirk 2/4/2012 9:21:02 PM

back
by dean 2/4/2012 10:13:04 PM

@VesaVA my unsubstantiated guess is Chernobyl or Slovenia
by lillymunster 2/4/2012 11:55:55 PM

Damn - 573 deaths 'related to nuclear crisis'
www.yomiuri.co.jpby lillymunster 2/5/2012 12:08:10 AM

more plants with steam generator issues
enformable.comby lillymunster 2/5/2012 12:24:13 AM

@lilly hi
by dean 2/5/2012 1:24:35 AM

www.intechopen.com general information on steam generators
by dean 2/5/2012 1:30:52 AM

general lifetime numbers (validated serviceability of the 08Kh18N10T austenitic steel tubes (the maximum
operational age is 38 years for
- PGV-440 and 23 years for PGV-1000)
by dean 2/5/2012 1:32:27 AM

sorry, stepped away to get some dinner. Back now
by lillymunster 2/5/2012 1:40:07 AM

@dean so had most of these ever been replaced before the current round of replacements?
by lillymunster 2/5/2012 1:42:38 AM

unit 2 is this a bit on the high side?
rature rise, the temperature at the upper head of the bottom
of PCV has risen to approx. 67.2 °C at the highest (as of 4 pm on
February 4, 2012), but currently, it is approx. 65.1°C (as of 5 pm on
February 4, 2012). The trend of the temperature seems to be steady and we
will monitor it continuously.
www.tepco.co.jpthe above link is status at 5pm on the 4th the link below is the status on the morning of the 4th
www.tepco.co.jpby elainekirk 2/5/2012 1:43:54 AM

@elainekirk has watering changed?
by lillymunster 2/5/2012 1:47:13 AM