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@lilly good nite!by bo 2/3/2012 4:09:08 AM- I'm out too all, see you all soon.by bo 2/3/2012 4:18:33 AM
bumpby Mid Valley 2/3/2012 6:58:58 AM
I've been loosely following Hanford for more than 25 years. It's a horrible pit, and the "downwinders," as the people east of the plant are known, were nuked to death. Thyroid cancer, especially. Reagan restarted the N Reactor, precursor of the Chernobyl reactors, which was nothing short of a crime against humanity. The main story now is how many billions government contractors can consume basically spinning their wheels. It's a national sacrifice zone and will never be fit for human habitation.by bojack54 2/3/2012 8:28:30 AM
"Bird numbers plummet around stricken Fukushima plant"
"Many species show "dramatically" elevated DNA mutation rates, developmental abnormalities and extinctions, they add, while insect life has been significantly reduced." (David McNeill) www.independent.co.ukby Pedro Jesus 2/3/2012 10:51:33 AM
Safecast have a brand new Global map blog.safecast.orgby elainekirk 2/3/2012 10:56:13 AM- Good morning, Elaine.by Pedro Jesus 2/3/2012 10:56:56 AM
- @Pedro Jesus morning Pedro :)by elainekirk 2/3/2012 11:35:37 AM
and the leak at SFP4 goes on & on & on ...http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2012/02/fukushima-i-nuke-plant-reactor-4-leak.htmlby UKVal 2/3/2012 11:36:22 AM- whoops ex-skf.blogspot.comby UKVal 2/3/2012 11:36:48 AM
- @UKVal they have a problemby elainekirk 2/3/2012 11:37:34 AM
- @elainekirk you're not kidding! :-(by UKVal 2/3/2012 11:40:26 AM
- ??? 'Actual Fukushima worker suspects an explosion caused 8.5t of water leakage' fukushima-diary.comby UKVal 2/3/2012 11:44:41 AM
- @UKVal if happy says it then I believe him over tepco, happy is the most conservative tweeter from fukuby elainekirk 2/3/2012 11:48:34 AM
- @elainekirk he does also suggest it could have been a quake...by UKVal 2/3/2012 11:51:38 AM
- I take it this has been posted? 'Reactor 3 is known to be more risky than other reactors because it uses MOX. However, there is un-used MOX in the SFP of reactor as well' fukushima-diary.com I've certainly been expecting this to be the case...
In May of 2010, The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency made this report below to confirm the new MOX fuel is still available.by UKVal 2/3/2012 11:53:08 AM - whoops - my comment appears in the middle -need more coffeeby UKVal 2/3/2012 11:53:43 AM
- we know there were 52 new fuel assemblies in the SFP of #3by UKVal 2/3/2012 11:58:40 AM
- ... I say 'new' but I think they'd been there for over 10 years & according to the evidence CNIC submitted to the local Inquiry, there was a good chance they would deteriorate...by UKVal 2/3/2012 12:00:58 PM
- @UKVal yeah they should have concentrated more effort on emptying that pool somehow . I never quite understood the rush to cover #1 over dealing with 3 & 4 which seemed far more vulnerableby elainekirk 2/3/2012 12:05:33 PM
- @elainekirk I agree, which makes me suspect there are things we do not know....by UKVal 2/3/2012 12:07:41 PM
- Barnaby's 2000 paper on MOX standards & the implications for reactor safety at Fuku 3, produced for the Inquiry, makes sobering reading.by UKVal 2/3/2012 12:10:15 PM
- @UKVal @elainekirk My opinion is that Elaine has just answered her own question... #3 and #4 are so much more vulnerable that TEPCO won't be able to install a cover around them without risking further structural damage or total collapse. I can't think of a better explanation. In which case #3 and #4 statuses are far more critical than we've been led to believe.by Pedro Jesus 2/3/2012 12:12:46 PM
- @Pedro Jesus yes, I think you're right. That seems the only explanationby UKVal 2/3/2012 12:18:05 PM
- but I would like to know if it's normal practice for there to be 100 new assemblies in the SFP at #1. I thought it was due for decommissioning.by UKVal 2/3/2012 12:19:35 PM
@UKVal as far as I know unit 1 wasn't going to be decommissioned. IIRC there was some vague talk of running MOX in it at some point.by lillymunster 2/3/2012 12:50:11 PM- @lillymunster oh.. I stand corrected thought I'd read that it was but can't remember where...by UKVal 2/3/2012 12:51:48 PM
- @UKVal where are the numbers on the unused fuel in the sfp's I can find it now but those numbers are very significant especially the ones at 3.
Looking at Fukushima Diary's story the critical issue is the exact number of assemblies and he doesn't seem to translate that. The fuel in the pool for 10 years was loaded all or in part in 2010 September and that was well publicized. What Smoss and I have been trying to find is the exact number of assemblies or other evidence showing there were some left over assemblies in the fuel pool. All from the 1999 shipment to Fuku were loaded in the core. The left over unused assemblies from Kashiwazaki we worry were sent over to Fuku for use after they found they could not use them at Kashiwazakiby lillymunster 2/3/2012 12:52:33 PM - @lillymunster the numbers are in the Sekimura presentation 26 th May 2011 p44 - will email it to youby UKVal 2/3/2012 12:59:06 PM
- @UKVal thanks, sorting through the doc from Fukudiary with a translator right now looking for numbersby lillymunster 2/3/2012 12:59:53 PM
- From the translated MOX document:
MOX fuel has a new feature of its characteristics change over time, by changes in fuel composition, such as decay of plutonium to americium, and changes in the expected effect of lowering the reactivity and reactivity coefficients of variation of physical properties and fuel pellets be.
I don't know if this impacts the ability to control them?by lillymunster 2/3/2012 1:01:56 PM - @lillymunster have you read Barnaby's 2000 paper?by UKVal 2/3/2012 1:02:29 PM
- @lillymunster have sent emailby UKVal 2/3/2012 1:02:54 PM
- @UKVal oh yes. Read it early on in our MOX research. It is absolutely worrisome in context of unit 3. I think some of his research into MOX behavior has been overlooked as implication in 3's meltdown, explosion and higher radiation.by lillymunster 2/3/2012 1:03:48 PM
- @elainekirk @UKVal @lillymunster I'm not sure if you're acquainted with this application that I recently found and have been testing, but it has a very welcome feature: it records a page "as was" instead of recording only the link. Very useful when trying to collect and organize information from ever-changing sources, such as TEPCO website or some news agencies. It can also be used offline. My preliminary experience has been very positive. Take a look. springpadit.comby Pedro Jesus 2/3/2012 1:04:03 PM
- @Pedro Jesus ooh thanks. That may be useful in archiving news articles and documents. Right now I have a multi step process that is a bit too time consuming.by lillymunster 2/3/2012 1:05:17 PM
- @lillymunster I agree that paper has considerable implications for what was /is happening in 3by UKVal 2/3/2012 1:08:05 PM
- @Pedro Jesus great -will try it. I end up copy/ pasting all the timeby UKVal 2/3/2012 1:08:41 PM
- @lillymunster I can imagine. This app allows you to set up as many notebooks as you want (ex.: one for MOX fuel, one for Fukushima Daiichi, one for Hanford, etc.) and then add links, notes, photos and organize all the information as you want in each notebook's board. It's like collating and organizing data on top of a desk. You should try.by Pedro Jesus 2/3/2012 1:08:47 PM
- @Pedro Jesus I use MS OneNote but it only works w IE & I normally use Chrome.by UKVal 2/3/2012 1:10:00 PM
- @UKVal The info in his paper that talks about mox fuel getting hot spots, the ability for the fuel to vaporize at a low temperature and the known fact that the cladding had signs of degedation before it was installed... The mox installed also was done with the process criticized as being insuffcient to mix the fuel causing the hot spotsby lillymunster 2/3/2012 1:10:36 PM
- @lillymunster yes, it's alarmingby UKVal 2/3/2012 1:11:07 PM
- @Pedro Jesus will do. If there is a way to then put it as a permanent public record online I think we have a winner.by lillymunster 2/3/2012 1:11:20 PM
- @UKVal I'm not acquainted with that one. This springpadit works very well with Google Chrome and allows the use of a gmail account to login and synch the data. The integration seems perfect. And, Lilly, it allows to share the data, piece by piece, with whomever you want, but I haven't tried that functionality yet.by Pedro Jesus 2/3/2012 1:14:31 PM
- @lillymunster I found a 2010 presentation by Suzuki from JAEC on Japan's fuel cycle policies - don't know if you've seen it www.aec.go.jpby UKVal 2/3/2012 1:14:38 PM
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