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@kb It could, but we are not able to tell WHAT breached though. (i.e. was it cooling or the the actual caontainment vessel?)by Dennis Tucker Jr 3/26/2011 2:46:32 PM- lol @kbby Dennis Tucker Jr 3/26/2011 2:46:42 PM
@dennistuckerjr - The are using salt water for everything. not to mention the ocean is right there, I would imagine that the floor of the room that the water was in had salt deposits as well adding to that.by Patrick Kelley 3/26/2011 2:46:51 PM
whoever just asked about # of watchers = 98 - please comment again i accidently rejected your commentby George Gibb 3/26/2011 2:47:04 PM
I was asking if there is the possibility of placing a live counter of connections. I think it's important to monitorize the momentum.by Arritipiti 3/26/2011 2:48:34 PM- @Dennis Tucker Jr : Not realy, because they have pourred salt water everywhere :( including spent fuel pools. So it may come from anywhere.by futureisnow 3/26/2011 2:48:42 PM
Last night, I posted a link to a Reuters' article that said that the contaminated water was going to placed in storage containers so it could effectively be removed. Afterwards, I searched and didn't find a corroborating news release from any other source. The article cannot be found on Reuters site this morning. Does anyone have any other information on the subject?by Karen Warren 3/26/2011 2:48:56 PM- @Patrick Kelley Agreed, but the concentration of salt could give us an indication of the source, such as is water now leaking and removing the salt deposits inside the core, etcby Dennis Tucker Jr 3/26/2011 2:49:07 PM
I thought this was an interesting piece on TEPCO attitudes and events. www.spiegel.de One quote that stood out for me was ""They repeatedly made personal decisions based on their own idea of safety," Katsumata said. But it is clear that those ideas of safety weren't stringent enough. "by kgriff 3/26/2011 2:49:27 PM
@Dean, I don't see 'em digging holding ponds or levees to hold back contaminated water (does anyone know?). My fear is that much may end up in the sea with the pious wish that it'll dilute rapidly.by Peter Melzer 3/26/2011 2:50:01 PM- @Arritipiti This Scribble Live plan option is some features disabled - I am considering upgrading the plan once I get familiar with all the bells and whistles.by George Gibb 3/26/2011 2:51:06 PM
- Morning all, and thanks again to George for keeping us connected. Nice to see Dean commenting. (My kids now see me at my computer and ask what the latest news is, and what information Dean has posted lately.)by JPH 3/26/2011 2:51:23 PM
- @kgriff Absolutely. Please read my opinion on that: www.facebook.comby Dennis Tucker Jr 3/26/2011 2:51:29 PM
- Wanted to throw in a thank you for setting this thing here up! Now I have to look through what already was written, thank you all so much for all the information!by Mina 3/26/2011 2:51:47 PM
Good afternoon/morning George, Nice to see your hard work has payed off, Who needs Reuters now,to keep up to date.by audi 3/26/2011 2:52:47 PM- Please don't blast Reuters. They started this (concept, no offense George!!), after all. And they did a great job as well.by Dennis Tucker Jr 3/26/2011 2:53:53 PM
- @Peter Melzer I fear this too . they try to evaluate how many tons of water there is (and if the core are leaking, this amount will grow up ) they could use citern trucks, or things like that, or even fill up the barges that were bring with fresh pure water. but anyway, this would end somewhere, one day, and it's not possible to send it to their nuclear waste place, in north east. A "good" thing is a large amount of water have been transformed in steam.by futureisnow 3/26/2011 2:54:25 PM
- @audi Reuters did an excellent job and continue to do so.by George Gibb 3/26/2011 2:54:26 PM
- @Dennis: I wonder a little. A reactor is normally cooled in a closed water loop. Active as well as inactive. This water must be highly contaminated. If that contamination of water rises the danger of becoming critical that much, why is a closed loop possible at all?
On the Other hand: in reality it would be a theoretical solution, and I don't think there is a empty covered pool that size available. So I guess there's no option at hands as to pump it into the sea.by Max 3/26/2011 2:54:38 PM - @dennis - too many variables, there is also a maximum dilution factor of H20 and I would imagine with the immense amount of radioactive nuclides that this water is completely saturated, making it extremely difficult to tell (the salt is lighter then the nuclides, therefore replacement of salt by heavy metals would make the source impossible to detect, because the salinity, even if from the reactor, would be less due the high amount of heavier particles.)by Patrick Kelley 3/26/2011 2:55:43 PM
@Dennis Tucker Wouldn't the salt concentrations be higher because ofboiling in the spent fuel pools? Even if there's no overflow,salt is carried on the air. you should've seen my car after a day at the beach when I lived in Fl.by marie rich 3/26/2011 2:55:55 PM- Thanks for setting this up and moderating. As with the Reuter's liveblog, this will help to bear witness for the victims in Japan.by Deirdre 3/26/2011 2:57:23 PM
Fear and Devastation on the Road to Japan's Nuclear Disaster Zone (interesting article) www.independent.co.ukby jay77 3/26/2011 2:57:25 PM- Speaking to a national audience at a news conference on Friday night, two weeks after the magnitude 9.0 earthquake and the devastating tsunami that followed it, Prime Minister Naoto Kan dodged a reporter’s question about whether the government was ordering a full evacuation, saying officials were simply following the recommendation of the Japan Nuclear Safety Commission. www.nytimes.comby Karen Warren 3/26/2011 2:58:39 PM
- @marie rich I'm not sure we can compare sea force with steam force as we seen it coming out from the damaged plants.. (and I live at 15 kms of the sea, and never have salt on my car ;-) )by futureisnow 3/26/2011 2:58:46 PM
- Didnt mean to knock Reuters,What I meant was, that it was good that George filled the void left after Reuters, eased up, and we still can find all the info and views on things in one place.by audi 3/26/2011 2:59:35 PM
- Lights Working in Control Room of Reactor No. 2 www.meti.go.jp (in Japanese)by kb 3/26/2011 3:00:10 PM
- Plutonium is recognized as iron by the body and distributed by the blood system. It causes cancers and blood disorders. It has a half-life of 24.400 years and will be present in a 30 km radius around the Chernobyl site for many centuries to come
- Cesium 137 is mistaken for potassium and in absorbed by the muscles
- Iodine 131 is not recognized as a radioactive substance and is therefore absorbed by the thyroid gland. It causes thyroid cancer, particularly in children between 0 and 18 years old. An operation can save the children, but a scar known as the 'Belarussian Necklace' marks them as Chernobyl victims forever
- Strontium 90 is recognized by the body as calcium and causes leukaemia upon distribution throughout the bone
Read more: www.lenntech.comby Dean 3/26/2011 3:00:30 PM- @Max Yes, I wondered this same thing. However it has been broadcast that the levels in that standing water are way unproportional with normal reactor cooling water which leads me to believe that the water has only carried and accumulated radioactive material in those basements.
@Patrick Kelley Yes, a lot of variables. The whole basis of my question is to see if the water itself is actually radioactive or is it simply being a carrier.
and @ marie rich Absolutely. Things we know help us discover things we do not know.by Dennis Tucker Jr 3/26/2011 3:00:32 PM - @Karen Warren I posted on reuters, but I was moderated, that Government use now the japan nuclear safety commission as a "fusible" (is thet english ? ) and we had exactly the same in Franceby futureisnow 3/26/2011 3:00:32 PM
- hi every one.. back for a bitby Dean 3/26/2011 3:00:52 PM
- Thanks Dean for that awesome bit of info thereby Dennis Tucker Jr 3/26/2011 3:00:53 PM
- Good morning, everyone. Many thanks for continuing this blog - it's so important to have a comunication regarding this event since the media either can't (or won't) cover it.by Christine 3/26/2011 3:01:28 PM
- Some of the Reuters moderators did a good job and some didn't. This is much better because the information flow is quicker & w/o censorship.by Karen Warren 3/26/2011 3:01:55 PM
- Thanks from me as well for setting this up. It is an invaluable service and much appreciated.by Andy 3/26/2011 3:02:03 PM
- have there been any developments ?by Dean 3/26/2011 3:02:46 PM
- @Dean yes, and the bad is that Mox have more plutonium than Chernobyl had.. Plutonium is produced by fission, but Mox already have a much bigger amount in it :(by futureisnow 3/26/2011 3:02:52 PM
- @audi No harm, no foul. Just preventing any trends lolby Dennis Tucker Jr 3/26/2011 3:03:30 PM
- future: fusible?by Karen Warren 3/26/2011 3:03:41 PM
- I don't know how many total MOX fuel elements are in #3 reactor.. anyone else heard?by Dean 3/26/2011 3:04:05 PM
- @Dean: I believe all three reactors are now injected with water instead of sea water nowby Jeff 3/26/2011 3:04:14 PM
- It was published a week ago, memory says about 52-58 rods are moxby Dennis Tucker Jr 3/26/2011 3:04:27 PM
- The MOX fuel is fairly fresh - that I remember.by Karen Warren 3/26/2011 3:04:31 PM
- @Karen Warren a fuse . (i learned a new english word, lol)by futureisnow 3/26/2011 3:04:35 PM
Speaking of censorship, if the US is gagging scientists over the BP spill, you can be sure we won't get facts on the nuclear issue: www.dailymail.co.ukby Debra Beckham 3/26/2011 3:04:59 PM
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