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  • The data on the chart I linked is Bq/kg so most food will have 1/10 of that amount in it, but it is still a lot. Would you eat anything grown in a place that had..Iitate Village Weed Leaf Vegitable 2011/4/9 11:15 I-131=55,700 Cs-137=313,000 7.84?
    by Ralph Unger 4/11/2011 4:39:11 PM

  • those pics are powerful Deidre, help to show things to people who haven't been following everyone's comments/discussion/diagrams etc. here
    by wo 4/11/2011 4:39:14 PM

  • Anyone know more about what this rubble is?
    "The utility is now using remote-controlled bulldozers and power shovels to remove radioactive rubble from around the plant. Operators are using cameras on the equipment and elsewhere on the site to control the equipment from hundreds of yards away. The rubble will be stored at the plant site."

    neinuclearnotes.blogspot.com
    by Joshua Diamond [ofc] 4/11/2011 4:39:19 PM

  • @Joshua Diamond [ofc] explosion debris. There are pockets of this junk in the complex that is giving off heat signatures still. They have not said that it has parts of reactor rods blown out of the reactors. Some people thought items other than rods could show as "hot"? The junk isn't in the way of getting around so why are they now removing it unless it is radioactive and causing issues for people?
    by Nancy 4/11/2011 4:41:56 PM

  • 1/10th is a generous guess after washing and boiling the veggies.
    by Ralph Unger 4/11/2011 4:42:53 PM

  • by MysticGirl2011 4/11/2011 4:43:39 PM

  • @Nancy I completely agree!
    by LM 4/11/2011 4:43:54 PM

  • @Nancy - it is unlikely that it is ejected reactor core material. I would buy, however, that it is scattered spent-fuel-pool content...
    by Joshua Diamond [ofc] 4/11/2011 4:44:09 PM

  • by MysticGirl2011 4/11/2011 4:45:12 PM

  • link has newly leaked NRC document
    by MysticGirl2011 4/11/2011 4:45:13 PM

  • @nancy I read in a report that parts of damaged fuel rods near reactor 2 was spread around, probably from the spent fuel pool as it would take a lot to blow open the reactor cores, also all the workers would be dead if the cores where wide open. so theyre probably trying to pick up scattered fuel pellets along with other junk thats in the way.
    by Kristian 4/11/2011 4:46:46 PM

  • hopefully they will sort out the pellets from the other junk so the radioactive stuff can be processed or stored safely
    by Kristian 4/11/2011 4:47:52 PM

  • Can somebody check my math and tell me what this means? I am trying to get a back of the envelope calculation for the amount of Cesium one might consume in a year given the current levels. UCB's NUC shows a maximum amount of Cs137 in strawberries of 0.77Bq/kg. Assuming that is the level in all food (yeah, but assumption, but all I can work with), and the average person consumes about 778 kilos of food/year (USDA figure), then the total amount of Cs137 we would consume over a year could be: 599Bq of Cs137. Now tell me why my conclusions are wrong, please.
    by kaykodh 4/11/2011 4:50:50 PM

  • @Joshua Diamond [ofc] yes, TEPCO etc admitted spent fuel ejected. So far nobody has assumed or stated reactor fuel has been ejected. Reactor 4 had newer fuel in their SFP.
    by Nancy 4/11/2011 4:53:26 PM

  • The fairwinds document might not be leaked, they could have done a foia www.nrc.gov
    by Nancy 4/11/2011 4:55:17 PM

  • @kaykodh I have just asked people to do cummulative totals on my facebook wall when I posted the new eu limits which have risen alarmingly after a secret session.
    by elainekirk 4/11/2011 4:55:45 PM

  • Kaykodh Part of the equation is how much of it is actually retained, vs. going back into the sewer system. Your basic math is fine.
    by Markfm 4/11/2011 4:55:47 PM

  • @Markfm Yes, I forgot about that. I remember seeing somewhere something that said how much Cesium actually gets retained and how much just goes out, but I don't remember where. Can Bq get converted to sieverts? (I think I can understand a comparison with sieverts better.)
    by kaykodh 4/11/2011 4:57:37 PM

  • That leaked doc states now that they think spent fuel from 3 was ejected as many people on here were thinking happened and also that there was high dose material between 3 and 4 that they bulldozed and also attributed material found a mile away to the #3 sfp.
    by Nancy 4/11/2011 4:58:03 PM

  • @Joshua Diamond [ofc] The rubble is from the blowed up buildings! It's radioactive too! Welcome back...
    by Rob in SF 4/11/2011 4:59:43 PM

  • @NNancy yup this board had worked that out while tepco were still looking through lawbooks to see if they had a get out of jail free card
    by elainekirk 4/11/2011 5:00:16 PM

  • "Surface Hydrology and Flow Accumulation - Fukushima Daiichi PP"

  • @all I just wanted to thank everyone for this blog. I lived in Tokyo during my high school years and feel a bit closer to this crisis as a result. I'm driving my husband and teenage sons nuts and I'm really glad that I can share and learn from all of you!
    by LM 4/11/2011 5:02:33 PM

  • @Nancy Is that not the same leaked doc from the www.nytimes.com article from early last week? I thought we had already heard that.
    by jay 4/11/2011 5:02:40 PM

  • @LM Nice to have you. Thanks.
    by Jim Carver 4/11/2011 5:03:26 PM

  • @LM Very good to have your input LM, welcome :)
    by elainekirk 4/11/2011 5:11:41 PM

  • Hi all, see that Japan had another big quake last night. Been watching the quake map, and starting to see an oddity. We are starting to get many small quakes East of the San Andreas fault line in California. It is pretty normal to see small quakes on or around the fault line, but to now see them just East of it shows that something is fracturing away. That and many quakes still around Japan. Don't think that this plate is done moving yet. Japan my be in for lots more to come. Hope Not.... If we start showing them in Phoenix, then really know something is definitely going on !
    by wtm 4/11/2011 5:13:12 PM

  • @wtm I live in San Diego and have also noticed a marked increase in quakes on the Elsinore fault. There was a slight increase after the 7.2 Mexican quake last April but not this significant. The Elsinore fault runs much closer to the San Diego metropolitan area. I've Got my fingers crossed.
    by LM 4/11/2011 5:17:11 PM

  • @jay I read the times article, had not seen the leaked doc.
    by Nancy 4/11/2011 5:17:42 PM

  • @Nancy The leaked doc is here: fukushimafaq.wikispaces.com
    by Rob in SF 4/11/2011 5:19:52 PM

  • @Nancy I just meant if this was the leaked doc that the article had referred to. I hadn't seen it either, just wondered if the information was new, or the same that had been reported by NT Times. Sounds like its the same report.
    by jay 4/11/2011 5:20:19 PM

  • @jay probably is. I would need to go re-read the NYT article, I have slept since then. There were a few reports claiming #4 spewed the rods. With the massive explosion in #3 it would seem likely it could have happened to #3.
    by Nancy 4/11/2011 5:21:39 PM

  • @Nancy do you think that maybe there were signs that #3 had spilt from the word go? looking back at tepco's inaction and unwillingness to act it was maybe a good sign that they were giving readings from set points whilst being fully aware that the real danger and high readings were in the rubble laying around the yard?
    by elainekirk 4/11/2011 5:26:40 PM

  • @LM, as I spoke, we just had a small quake East of Hoover Dam in Arizona. I am seeing the quakes start to spread East of the San Andreas line, starting in the North (Nevade) and going South. So far haven't gotten any in Phoenix, but the way it is showing may happen. If it does, it may show that the plate is fracturing away from the North American plate, and will be pushing West toward Japan more. LA, San Fran, San Diego may get some big ones, and Japan is where it is going to all go and pile up on the West end.
    by wtm 4/11/2011 5:28:16 PM

  • @wtm I've noticed too. There was a 4.2 quake in Nevada in the last day as well. Hopefully it will blow over.
    by LM 4/11/2011 5:32:50 PM

  • @elainekirk I think their testing for plutonium where they did at the plant says they knew more for a while. All tests were done along a line starting by reactor 1
    by Nancy 4/11/2011 5:38:47 PM

  • @LM, don't think so, it seems to be getting stronger and expanding, since they are now readily showing east of the San Andreas line. Don't know where were going, but it definitely is showing a lot of movement of the Pacific plate. That and the many quakes now in Arkansas is showing movement of the North American plate Westward too. I hope the original Japan quake isn't the start of massive plate movement ?? They have been hitting about 10 minutes apart on an average.
    by wtm 4/11/2011 5:39:24 PM

  • @all- what earthquake monitoring sites are you all using?? just trying to get a better picture
    by Meretisa 4/11/2011 5:41:19 PM

  • @Meretisa Start here: earthquake.usgs.gov
    by Rob in SF 4/11/2011 5:42:16 PM

  • Here is the site....... quakes.globalincidentmap.com
    by wtm 4/11/2011 5:42:47 PM

  • @wtm I'm not disagreeing with you. I simply am not an expert in plate tectonics and frankly I'm hoping the Big one won't happen in my life time. I also happen to live 33 miles from San Onofre nuclear power plant. The data is definitely showing serious movement. I'm just trying to be hopeful.
    by LM 4/11/2011 5:42:54 PM

  • @mod.. I would like to request if you do delete items to day to be gentle... there is a lot going on and unfortuily i am unable to gather info as it scrolls past, due to my work load... and would like to get this evening... thank you and thank you for your hard work modding
    by fitter 4/11/2011 5:43:06 PM

  • @mod- yes, give it a day or so, please. thanks.
    by Meretisa 4/11/2011 5:43:50 PM

  • by LM 4/11/2011 5:44:31 PM

  • @Nancy They were very careful how they reported their plutonium discoveries. I'm betting they found it in a lot more places than the five sites they reported, but "forgot" to tell us.
    by James Ward 4/11/2011 5:45:17 PM

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