they were coming regularly from an assortment of agencies, ZAMG, the norwegians, and the are now all old. Is it out of sight out of mind for them too?
by radioguy 4/14/2011 4:11:04 AM
@radioguy I'm learning how to do it myself. See the map below, not sure how far down it is.
by Bobby1 4/14/2011 4:11:44 AM
Yes. eurad is the only one I could find with anything new, and only cesium.... but those original tri-l3v3l cesium models are scary enough, and bang on so far.
by radioguy 4/14/2011 4:11:50 AM
quick run across town....
by radioguy 4/14/2011 4:12:31 AM
@all What are the EPA radiation exposure limits for food, milk, air and water? I apologize if it has already discussed and posted. I'm just tired of the look away, look away theme.
by LM 4/14/2011 4:15:10 AM
@LM I think somebody's working on that. I don't think it's all together yet.
@LM We are going to put up the international levels and it varies by a lot. Depends, I guess, on which government thinks you are safe, or less at risk as the case may be.
by Jim Carver 4/14/2011 4:22:39 AM
@Bobby1 Really helpful chart!
by LM 4/14/2011 4:25:17 AM
@LM That is drinking water, I haven't seen air
by Bobby1 4/14/2011 4:29:14 AM
@Bobby1 I just hope the EPA starts releasing more CA drinking water data. Up until 2 days ago they hadn't released any drinking H2O data from CA or Arizona ( still nothing for AZ) and I decided to contact them directly. I opened up a ticket and the next day they had data for LA. I'm definitely NOT satisfied.
by LM 4/14/2011 4:35:23 AM
There was a spike in plant emissions recently when Tokyo levels went way up. It was after reactor #1 went to max radiation levels. That plume hasn't reached the US yet.
by Bobby1 4/14/2011 4:35:38 AM
@LM We need the data for EVERY city, town and hamlet in the US and Canada.
by Bobby1 4/14/2011 4:37:22 AM
@Bobby1 I agree. The San Diego air monitoring station didn't have any real data until A week ago...really pathetic. I'm sure they're not testing us...we get most of our water from the Colorado river after it's passed through a superfund site and that coupled with Fukushima means trouble.
by LM 4/14/2011 4:41:32 AM
@elainekirk Found this on the Physics forum.. Tepco states (page 9) that the storage capacity of all fuel pools at Fukushima as 8310 fuel assemblies, that is 1444 fuel assemblies can be stored at each units 2 to 5, based on SFP volume. www.nirs.org However, SPF4 had 1331+204 = 1535 fuel assemblies stored which is more than stated capacity! Tepco (page 35) www.nisa.meti.go.jp
by NHK Listener edited by elainekirk 4/14/2011 4:44:49 AM
@LM Are you in San Diego?
by Bobby1 4/14/2011 4:45:00 AM
@Bobby1 Yep.
by LM 4/14/2011 4:45:40 AM
@LM You have probably been ground zero so far, though it will shift north. I'm going to order a reverse osmosis water purification system. I've been drinking bottled water for years but I am switching to tap.
by Bobby1 4/14/2011 4:47:13 AM
@Bobby1 We drink filtered tap but I'd like to improve the quality of the process myself. Bottled water isn't really verifiable anyway.
by LM 4/14/2011 4:52:15 AM
@LM Bottled water is likely worse than tap now, or will be soon. Unless you get Fiji, but it is expensive.
by Bobby1 4/14/2011 4:54:54 AM
@Bobby1 I completely agree.
by LM 4/14/2011 4:55:50 AM
@LM: I'm in Los Angeles, we are having some wild winds tonight - are you? Also are you or anyone you know having low grade headaches or burning sinus lately? I never ever had allergies before but the symptoms are kind of like an allergy.... to Cesium, I guess.... sneezing and mild burning sensation. Female Seeks fashionable face mask.
by ms in la 4/14/2011 4:59:34 AM
@ms No winds tonight here. I've been getting headaches but I think it's related to pressure changes. We've had a weird winter!
by LM 4/14/2011 5:02:58 AM
@LM @ms in la If you know any pregnant women or nursing mothers, tell them to either get out of there or take steps to limit exposure.
by Bobby1 4/14/2011 5:03:34 AM
@all Night all! Thanks for the good info.
by LM 4/14/2011 5:04:03 AM
How about distilled water?
by JMV 4/14/2011 5:04:51 AM
@LM nite!
by Bobby1 4/14/2011 5:05:06 AM
@LM thanks good to know. We have too. We had torrential rains just as the first plume arrived and due to house leaks had to spend time out in it managing drainage issues. @Bobby1 - I know, I have told everyone I know about the dangers. And continue to. Few will listen. It's over the threshold of conception. Or something.
by ms in la 4/14/2011 5:05:16 AM
@ms in la My ex listens to me thankfully. Nobody else tho.
by Bobby1 4/14/2011 5:07:04 AM
@Bobby1 - it's the most curious thing I've ever seen. The ultimate conversation stopper while it's probably the most important story of our lifetimes... uncanny.
by ms in la 4/14/2011 5:08:48 AM
@ms in la I think it's partly due to the government hiding the info from them, partly sheer terror in the face of the unknown.
by Bobby1 4/14/2011 5:10:11 AM
@Bobby1 Yep. They mostly all know by now they're lied to. And I think also those who are in the comfortable trance state, from the hum of their Teevees... don't want to emerge from it into that cold and hostile of an environment. And feeling powerlessness does not seduce them!
by ms in la 4/14/2011 5:12:45 AM
@ms in la I like the comfortable trance state too, don't get me wrong, but the danger is too real.
by Bobby1 4/14/2011 5:15:19 AM
@ms in la @Bobby1 what are we expecting in L.A.? Something imminent? I have family there.
by lisat131 4/14/2011 5:18:07 AM
@LM Just make sure to get all your foodstuffs from deep in the southern hemisphere. Or maybe just move there...
by Rob in SF 4/14/2011 5:19:34 AM
@Bobby1 - I guess it depends on what the function of the comfortable trance is... blocking or deepening. On that note, I need to send myself to a comfortable trance state of sleep now so I can face the wind tunnels of LA tomorrow - have to spend the morning outdoors and not looking forward to it. @lisat131- no not really .. we are just so Pacific Rim that we get the drop off of elements on its first stop just about, cept Alaska.
by ms in la 4/14/2011 5:19:51 AM
From my research it appears activated charcoal works reasonably well on I131, not sure about other isotopes. But it will become less effective quickly the more contaminants it has to remove. I understand RODI (Reverse Osmosis Deionization) is the only sure thing for all isotopes. Your local pet store may sell RODI water for use in marine tanks. Mine does.
by Bev 4/14/2011 5:20:55 AM
@ms in la understood, I just came in late tonight. thanks for the info :)
by lisat131 4/14/2011 5:21:18 AM
@Bev I had been taking 250 mgs of activated charcoal in capsule form on and off. Started up again after 4-11. Maybe it will 'take the edge off'...
by ms in la 4/14/2011 5:22:13 AM
@lisat131 It should get better after a day... but watch the wind, it blows a fine dust in your nostrils.