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  • @Rob in SF But on many thermal images core location temp was bigger than this in sfp, also if fuel was ejected from pool after explosion should be in many places not only in core, this is exactly core location...
    by xxx 4/13/2011 8:54:03 PM

  • by Edano via Spiegel.de 4/13/2011 8:56:03 PM

  • @Edano Nice playpens.
    by Rob in SF 4/13/2011 8:56:33 PM

  • @Rob in SF : just imagine, this is all what's left of their lives.
    by Edano 4/13/2011 8:58:36 PM

  • @rob at least the families have some privacy ! and DIGNITY
    by elainekirk 4/13/2011 8:58:44 PM

  • @Edano It's heartbreaking. And the worthwhile human interest stories have been largely under reported thus far.
    by Rob in SF 4/13/2011 9:00:38 PM

  • @elainekirk : 50 cm height of privacy & dignity ...
    by Edano 4/13/2011 9:01:27 PM

  • @elainekirk Yes. But they need to get cracking on permanent solutions. Smells like Katrina...
    by Rob in SF 4/13/2011 9:02:11 PM

  • Maybe slight radioactive contamination of the floor from when it was running
    by Markfm 4/13/2011 9:02:14 PM

  • Red is only 30C
    by Markfm edited by Markfm 4/13/2011 9:02:25 PM

  • by RadioGuy via Pointscope01.jp 4/13/2011 9:02:35 PM

  • @Edano I doubt they could have made them taller without stability probs :(
    by elainekirk 4/13/2011 9:04:07 PM

  • :rob they are awaiting shipments of more of the prefabs they have some up , they could do with more hotels opening their doors
    by elainekirk 4/13/2011 9:05:42 PM

  • @elainekirk : what about the edano photo: is it possible to have strawberries and tomatoes from iwaki this time of year ? they must be fooling.
    by Edano 4/13/2011 9:05:53 PM

  • @Edano Greenhouses are 24/7 365
    by NHK Listener 4/13/2011 9:07:16 PM

  • @elainekirk Gov't/TEPCO should be providing hotel/motel vouchers...
    by Rob in SF 4/13/2011 9:07:16 PM

  • @NHK Listener : yep, but these should not be contaminated either.
    by Edano 4/13/2011 9:08:17 PM

  • @NHK Listener One of the most striking images to date was the aerial of the tsunami washing over greenhouses and blowing them out as it progressed...
    by Rob in SF 4/13/2011 9:08:42 PM

  • www.spiegel.de lost and found agency

    by Edano via Spiegel.de 4/13/2011 9:08:46 PM

  • chiba4u.com We usually open our strawberry farm between Mid. December and Early May. chiba4u.com @edano

    by elainekirk via Chiba4u 4/13/2011 9:08:56 PM

  • @elainekirk : ty ;)
    by Edano 4/13/2011 9:09:30 PM

  • TONS of misplaced safes at the police departments and such... image.minyanville.com

    by Rob in SF via Image.minyanville 4/13/2011 9:10:47 PM

  • by NHK Listener via Pointscope01.jp 4/13/2011 9:11:28 PM

  • Sheesh. Airs tonight here in US...

    by Rob in SF 4/13/2011 9:22:40 PM

  • img.hani.co.kr » Workers install a sign at a cemetery for victims of the March 11 earthquake and tsunami, in Kamaishi town, Iwate prefecture March 29, 2011. The sign reads, “Tohoru Great Disaster Victims Burial.” (Reuters Yonhap)

    by Edano via Img.hani.co.kr 4/13/2011 9:22:42 PM

  • Have some updated info based on mid-day discussions.
    1. One of the items that we (multiple people) thought was a rod assembly on a roof, is indeed a piece of heavy equipment on the ground. Details and images about the perspective oddity and a close up from another angle in the link. http://www.houseoffoust.com/fukushima/rodornot.html
    2. There is double confirmation that material was ejected from the SFP of either 3 or 4. This is based on both TEPCO and NRC statements. They state it as "fuel" or "fragments or particles" depending on what account you want to believe. Either way this is pretty good information that there is fuel in some form out on the ground and it also states they did bulldoze over it in two places

    www.fairewinds.com
    duplicated at fairewinds.com

    NRC Report from 3.26.2011
    Fuel pool is heating up but is adequately cooled, and fuel may have been ejected from the pool based on information from TEPCO of neutron sources found up to1mile from the units, and very high dose rate material that had to be bulldozed over between Units 3 and 4. It is also possible the material could have come from Unit4). Unit 3 turbine building basement has flooded. Samples of water indicate some RCS fluid is present (TEPCO sample table-3/25/11). Several possible sources (MSIV leakage,FW checkvalves,Rx building sump drains)were identified, however the likely source is the fire water spray on to the reactor building.

    New York Times article
    www.nytimes.com

    The document also suggests that fragments or particles of nuclear fuel from spent fuel pools above the reactors were blown “up to one mile from the units,” and that pieces of highly radioactive material fell between two units and had to be “bulldozed over,” presumably to protect workers at the site. The ejection of nuclear material, which may have occurred during one of the earlier hydrogen explosions, may indicate more extensive damage to the extremely radioactive pools than previously disclosed.
    by Nancy 4/13/2011 9:33:29 PM

  • Promoting nukes and twisting science

    April 13, 2011 1:03 am CDT

    EARNING HER continuing status as one of the most awful people in America, right-wing pundit Ann Coulter recently attempted to find a bright spot in Japan's Fukushima-Daiichi nuclear disaster.

    In a blog post titled "A glowing report on radiation," Coulter claimed that radiation is actually good for you:

    With the terrible earthquake and resulting tsunami that have devastated Japan, the only good news is that anyone exposed to excess radiation from the nuclear power plants is now probably much less likely to get cancer.

    This only seems counterintuitive because of media hysteria for the past 20 years trying to convince Americans that radiation at any dose is bad. There is, however, burgeoning evidence that excess radiation operates as a sort of cancer vaccine.

    Proving yet again why a little information is a dangerous thing for some people, Coulter twists scientific fact beyond all reason and credibility. As Salon.com noted, "Coulter cites a 10-year-old newspaper article and some studies by fringe scientists as proof to her theory. She goes on to compare radiation--which she says is 'a sort of cancer vaccine'--to 'poisons' like zinc and magnesium found in multi-vitamins."

    Of course, Coulter fails to cite any of the hundreds of well-documented studies showing higher incidents of cancers in those exposed to radiation.

    In another jaw-dropping moment, Coulter goes on to write:

    Amazingly, even the Soviet-engineered disaster at Chernobyl in 1986 can be directly blamed for the deaths of no more than the 31 people inside the plant who died in the explosion...

    Meanwhile, the animals around the Chernobyl reactor, who were not evacuated, are "thriving," according to scientists quoted in April 28, 2002 Sunday Times.

    As the Broward Palm Beach New Time's Brandon K. Thorp noted:

    To this, a reasonably informed person can say only: Bullshit!

    First off: There weren't "31 people inside the plant who died in the explosion." Nobody died in the first explosion at Chernobyl. The number "31" comes from the number of workers and firefighters who died in the weeks that followed the Chernobyl disaster. What killed them? Radiation poisoning!

    The firefighters arrived at the Chernobyl reactor well after the initial explosions, under the command of Lieutenant Volodymyr Pravik. Pravik died on May 11 of acute radiation poisoning. So did his subordinate, Victor Kibenok. Their friend, Vasyli Ignatenko, died two days later. Another fireman, Nikolai Tetanok, died three days after that. Almost all of the men who went near the reactor fire at Chernobyl died within a few months. Of the few who managed to last three or four years, most sloughed off their intestinal lining sometime in May, 1986. In medical circles, pooping out one's own guts is considered a sign of ill health.

    Of course, Coulter's correct about the animals around Chernobyl. They are very much "thriving"; they've got the whole place to themselves. Fecund as they are, however, they're also profoundly mutated. They do the best they can in a new-growth forest, which has grown up since the original pine forests of Chernobyl turned red and died in the summer of 1986.

    Coulter is correct in saying that Chernobyl has proven less disastrous than originally predicted. Cancer levels among evacuees never reached the levels feared in 1986, the fallout affected a far smaller area than expected, etc. But only someone with a kinky hatred of ambiguity would claim it was anything other than a cataclysm, that radiation is harmless, or that the people of Sendai, Japan, are anything other than very, very unlucky.

    Of course, Coulter's profound ignorance of a subject has never stopped her from speaking out on it before. But perhaps she'd like to volunteer for cleanup at Fukushima if she thinks radiation exposure is so beneficial.
    socialistworker.org
    by Edano 4/13/2011 9:37:50 PM

  • @ll backup of old site going forward..it's not automatic like it should be, they have some protocols that only let it dl about 10 pages at a time..you get those and go along and then notice that the individual pages are not there, but re-numbered in groups of ten. Strange. But I'm starting to see their system. The files are contiguous so it's no problem. That is how the files are grouped in the code that is pointed to in index.html. Anyway see how this shakes out.
    by Jim Carver 4/13/2011 9:38:04 PM

  • I found solution about heat in unit 4 core ! They try to put fresh fuel which was previous removed from core back to core to keep water longer in sfp. SFP was overpacked with old and fresh fuel from core. So after quaqe they try to move fuel to get time. They think that they can fix cooling system so it was important to move fresh fuel which temperature was greater than old fuel, this explain position of SFP crane, it should be on left side of reactor core not on SFP, this also explain 2 dead workers in #4 building. It was possible to pump water via fire trucks to core so they can keep fresh fuel there and slow down vaporization of water from sfp.
    by xxx 4/13/2011 9:39:46 PM

  • I also took the suggested rod assembly length of 4 metres found by Radioguy and compared it with the nearby semi in the image beside reactor 4 to get an idea if the size of these rust colored beams could be rod assemblies. The truck is 8ft 6in wide. The beams or rod assemblies on the ground appear to be about double that so about 16-17 feet. The spec found for rods is 12 feet (4 metres). So either they are another object or if longer rod assemblies exist and could have been used here they could still have the potential to be rod assemblies. As for the color. The interior of the reactor work areas including the inside of the roof and trussing are painted a pale yellow per images of refueling on #3. I have not found any equipment or building structures painted rust red yet. If you do please let me know what structures and a link to the photographic evidence. Updated rods page - comparison lower on the page (green mark up)
    by Nancy 4/13/2011 9:41:01 PM

  • @Edano Coulter really damaged her already murky reputation with that one.
    by Rob in SF 4/13/2011 9:41:40 PM

  • @xxx The two dead workers were in the turbine building IIRC.
    by Rob in SF 4/13/2011 9:43:18 PM

  • @xxx have you looked at some of the heat images on 4? There are days you see rows of heat on the deck beside the reactor well and not anywhere near the SFP. Still can't come up with a way rods or assemblies could end up over there in a nice neat row. Is there something that could have been going on where fuel was on the move when everything happened? Nothing seems to add up about those rows of heat and how they got there.
    by Nancy 4/13/2011 9:46:27 PM

  • @Nancy we see rows becouse roof construction which is blocking heat
    by xxx 4/13/2011 9:48:10 PM

  • @Nancy I know. And I'm still left with no good explanation of the spent fuel pool anomalies in SFP4. The numbers are wrong.
    by RadioGuy 4/13/2011 9:48:52 PM

  • hello.. to all fellow scribbies..
    by dean 4/13/2011 9:49:06 PM

  • this theory perfect fit, they believe that they can slown down vaporization from SFP until they turn on cooling systems
    by xxx 4/13/2011 9:49:18 PM

  • 30 Celsius = 86 Fahrenheit
    by FradyKat 4/13/2011 9:49:19 PM

  • @Nancy Methinks any rods lying on the ground would have been dragged away by robots by now, not sure how old those images are... www.houseoffoust.com
    by Rob in SF 4/13/2011 9:49:25 PM

  • @dean can you look on my theory dean ?
    by xxx 4/13/2011 9:49:33 PM

  • how far down is it xxx
    by dean 4/13/2011 9:50:00 PM

  • I found solution about heat in unit 4 core ! They try to put fresh fuel which was previous removed from core back to core to keep water longer in sfp. SFP was overpacked with old and fresh fuel from core. So after quaqe they try to move fuel to get time. They think that they can fix cooling system so it was important to move fresh fuel which temperature was greater than old fuel, this explain position of SFP crane, it should be on left side of reactor core not on SFP, this also explain 2 dead workers in #4 building. It was possible to pump water via fire trucks to core so they can keep fresh fuel there and slow down vaporization of water from sfp.
    by xxx 4/13/2011 9:50:02 PM

  • @edano, I will pitch in on Ann's plane ticket. She should lead by example and go help with clean up at the plant.
    by Nancy 4/13/2011 9:50:19 PM

  • @dean I reposted it, this would explain heat in core
    by xxx 4/13/2011 9:51:12 PM

  • @Nancy Yes, let's sent Ann Coulter to run the pumper truck.
    by Rob in SF 4/13/2011 9:51:17 PM

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