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  • @fitter I went back to the web page originally cited. Someone named Dave added them april 6th to their google web page. Seemed to have a few docs added here and there but no contact info. Also had a crude line drawing of a BWR like from a newspaper article.
    by Nancy 4/14/2011 12:50:22 AM

  • Interesting article - "U.S. Nuclear Regulator Lets Industry Write Rules" www.propublica.org QUOTE: "In the fall of 2001, inspectors with the Nuclear Regulatory Commission were so concerned about possible corrosion at Ohio’s Davis Besse Nuclear Power Station [1] that they prepared an emergency order to shut it down for inspection. But, according to a report [2] from the NRC inspector general, senior officials at the agency held off – in part because they did not want to hurt the plant’s bottom line.

    When workers finally checked the reactor in February of 2002, they made an astonishing finding: Corrosive fluid from overhead pipes had eaten a football-sized hole in the reactor vessel’s steel side. The only thing preventing a leak of radioactive coolant was a pencil-thin layer of stainless steel."
    by James Ward 4/14/2011 12:52:04 AM

  • Thanks, @Edano.
    Time for whistleblowing docs or tips to start fermenting.
    That said, I bid goodbye for the next many hours of a <sigh> longggg work day afield again. Thanks. Ciao, everybody.
    > the coca cola recipe is still top secret. who knows what they put in there ? nuke-a-cola ?
    .
    by ALBLEE 4/14/2011 12:54:50 AM

  • The "reactor" at the wall theory doesn't hold water. Look at all the #3 pics where the instrumentation pool is clearly visible. Reactor vessel and said pool must be on one level for this whole construction to work. That means the reactor vessel is nearer to the eastern wall of the building than to the middle, but by no means "near" to the wall. No one would build such a reactor because it would weaken the whole building structure.
    by Salvador 4/14/2011 1:03:37 AM

  • @Salvador thanks. :-) I think people were taking the offset for #1 in that blueprint and overlaying it incorrectly onto the buildings of 3 and 4
    by Nancy 4/14/2011 1:07:33 AM

  • Daily fluctuations of radioactive fallout particles in ground-level air onlinelibrary.wiley.com
    "All these peaks have a direct correlation with the passage of the 500 mb trough. The dynamic explanation of this process is that to the immediate west of the upper-level trough, we usually find low-level divergence and upper-level convergence with descending motion. It is this descending motion that brings down upper air and thus tends to increase the particle concentration. Miyake et al. (1960) also reported that similar meteorological conditions play an important role in the transport of radioisotopes from the stratosphere to the troposphere. They noted that the Sr-90 concentration in the ground-level air showed an increase after the passage of a 500 mb trough." Chen, Beck & Kuroda (1970)
    by Bobby1 4/14/2011 1:08:43 AM

  • I may try to dig up some more old images of the innards of Fukushima. They allowed tours and had media in the building for the MOX install. There has to be more images hiding out there somewhere.
    by Nancy 4/14/2011 1:09:02 AM

  • According to Chen, Beck & Kuroda, any Strontium-90 in the US would currently be at its highest concentrations in NE California, W Oregon, W Maryland, W Pennsylvania, W New York State.
    by Bobby1 4/14/2011 1:10:12 AM

  • by Bobby1 via Nco.ncep.noaa.gov 4/14/2011 1:10:45 AM

  • TEPCO Press Conference just started: www.ustwrap.info
    by ColorMeRed 4/14/2011 1:19:31 AM

  • @Nancy "I have been trying to find a way to translate the rest of the text but it is an image" There's an app for that.
    by Rob in SF 4/14/2011 1:20:49 AM

  • Radiation in Japan Seas: Risk of Animal Death, Mutation? "There will be a potential for a certain amount of lethality of living organisms, but that's less of a concern than the possible effects on the genetics of the animals that become exposed," Rachlin said.

    "That's the main problem as I see it with radiation—altering the genetics of the animal and interfering with reproduction." news.nationalgeographic.com
    by Rob in SF 4/14/2011 1:30:01 AM

  • I think I have an idea how to work the documentation and crowdsource issue around the blueprints and building data. Will try to get something started and directions how to add to it done in the AM.
    by Nancy 4/14/2011 1:38:58 AM

  • WOW, that is one awsome APP... Nancy what did you find ?
    by VeenOui 4/14/2011 1:39:07 AM

  • @VeenOui for an app?
    by Nancy 4/14/2011 1:39:25 AM

  • @Rob in SF :" Alcohol: 8 oz" in coke ? no, that's a fake :(
    by Edano 4/14/2011 1:41:24 AM

  • TEPCO and NISA Press Conferences to begin soon: www.ustwrap.info
    by ColorMeRed 4/14/2011 1:42:51 AM

  • @Edano That's the ORIGNAL Coca-Cola, notice the drams of Coca extract too? People have done gas chormatography on Coke, that should be pretty much the real thing minus the alcohol and cocaine.
    by Rob in SF 4/14/2011 1:43:44 AM

  • Chromatography
    by Rob in SF 4/14/2011 1:43:58 AM

  • by Nancy edited by elainekirk 4/14/2011 1:44:44 AM

  • NISA conference is just beginning NOW: www.ustwrap.info
    by ColorMeRed 4/14/2011 1:48:25 AM

  • @ColorMeRed is there an english version link?
    by marie rich 4/14/2011 1:49:10 AM

  • I can't take Kaku seriously after his Sci-Fi Science show... science.discovery.com
    by Rob in SF 4/14/2011 1:51:09 AM

  • Commissioner calls for verifiable probe of Fukushima nuke crisis

    By Masakatsu Ota
    TOKYO, April 14, Kyodo

    The vice chairman of the government's Japan Atomic Energy Commission emphasized this week that Japan should thoroughly investigate the nuclear crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi power plant in an internationally verifiable manner, possibly by involving experts from other countries to help guarantee the openness and transparency of the probe.

    An independent third-party panel, rather than the government's Nuclear Safety Commission, should study the accident's causes and the series of crisis management steps taken in order for Japan to regain the trust of the international community, Tatsujiro Suzuki said in an interview Wednesday with Kyodo News.

    As Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano has called for launching such a panel, with Prime Minister Naoto Kan vowing to inform the international community of the lessons and experiences of the crisis, the problem will likely be how it would engage foreign experts in establishing the facts about the accident, one of the worst in the world.

    ''It is desirable that we take an approach different from past accident investigations,'' said Suzuki, the No. 2 among the five commissioners appointed by the prime minister to take charge of Japan's basic nuclear policies, while noting that it is his personal view.

    Calling for ''a transparent approach that can be verified later by the international community,'' he warned that Japan would otherwise lose fundamental trust from other countries, citing many negative views about its response to the ongoing crisis in comments he has received from abroad.

    As options for how to involve foreign experts, he pointed out that the government may either engage the International Atomic Energy Agency in the probe by the envisaged panel, set up a ''wise-person committee'' of foreign experts to give advice to the panel or ask an internationally renowned academic institution such as the U.S. National Academy of Sciences to verify the results of the probe.

    If Japan wants to continue promoting nuclear energy, it should first ''frankly reflect on the lack of measures against tsunami'' and secure the safety of and public confidence in nuclear power as ''the basic conditions,'' said Suzuki, former associate vice president at the Central Research Institute of Electric Power Industry who has served on the government panel since January last year.

    To deal with the prolonged crisis, Tokyo should ''vigorously gather international knowledge and wisdom and adopt the best of it,'' possibly through a framework to absorb the expertise of foreign experts, he said.

    ==Kyodo english.kyodonews.jp
    by Edano 4/14/2011 1:51:12 AM

  • @marie rich No, unfortunately...but there are a few people in chat who tranlate into English. TEPCO is just about to start too. They always do this....at the same time!!
    by ColorMeRed 4/14/2011 1:52:08 AM

  • @Edano wow. So is that just lots of lip service or are they actually going to fundamentally change?
    by Nancy 4/14/2011 1:53:09 AM

  • @Nancy : "An independent third-party panel, rather than the government's Nuclear Safety Commission, should study the accident's causes and the series of crisis management steps taken in order for Japan to regain the trust of the international community." i would propose Greenpeace ......
    by Edano 4/14/2011 1:55:34 AM

  • @Nancy : no, they won't change. just another distraction maneuver.
    by Edano 4/14/2011 1:57:46 AM

  • @Nancy Sorry but you're not reachable otherwise....did you try the Apps ?
    by VeenOui 4/14/2011 1:58:01 AM

  • Has anybody seen the results of this survey www.tepco.co.jp
    by elainekirk 4/14/2011 2:03:54 AM

  • @VeenOui not yet. Going to try downloading google goggles first then the other one if the first doesn't work. Going to do in the morning when my brain is working.
    by Nancy 4/14/2011 2:07:38 AM

  • @elainekirk Thats is like a teaser for sure.. Have you found the results of the survey?
    by NHK Listener 4/14/2011 2:09:40 AM

  • @elainekirk NM I see you are asking us if we have or not
    by NHK Listener 4/14/2011 2:10:05 AM

  • @elainekirk Nice all sorts of promises but no results. I have not seen or found the results in my digging around.
    by Nancy 4/14/2011 2:10:43 AM

  • by e123 4/14/2011 2:13:05 AM

  • Goodnight all, and take care.
    by Shadow 4/14/2011 2:14:49 AM

  • by e123 4/14/2011 2:16:06 AM

  • @all no nothing found 2002 but not '07
    by elainekirk 4/14/2011 2:25:14 AM

  • www.zerohedge.com "The firm known as TEPCO said its analysis of a 400-milliliter water sample taken Tuesday from the No. 4 unit's spent nuclear fuel pool revealed the damage to some fuel rods in such a pool for the first time, as it detected higher-than-usual levels of radioactive iodine-131, cesium-134 and cesium-137." These confirm an ongoing fission reaction.
    by Yuri 4/14/2011 2:36:51 AM

  • @elainekirk "TEPCO will conduct boring surveys"... I bet. ;)
    by radioguy 4/14/2011 2:37:30 AM

  • yeah @radioguy sound just right
    by elainekirk 4/14/2011 2:40:35 AM

  • @radioguy Have you ever seen how they do soil tests? Boring indeed. :-) On both accounts
    by Nancy 4/14/2011 2:40:45 AM

  • I keep thinking how they were going toclose down the Tokai Fuel works after the 1996 disaster. By 2006. Then we saw an Areva enriched uranium order going to Fukushima in 2007. The only reason we know about that is because they screwed up and tried to ship the leftovers in too small a container and caused a near-criticality, which they had to report. And then another leak that had to be reported in 2009 was it? TEPCO is never transparent unless they're caught. I keep having the feeling that there's something they're covering up in the current crisis too, beyond incompetence.
    by radioguy 4/14/2011 2:41:04 AM

  • @radioguy There is that whole hidden bomb making theory. I'm leaning more towards something like them running mox is reactors without approval.
    by Nancy 4/14/2011 2:42:58 AM

  • docs.google.com second paragraph
    by elainekirk 4/14/2011 2:44:27 AM

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