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  • t0.gstatic.com And you thought your commute was a hassle?
    by Jim Carver 4/16/2011 12:18:39 PM

  • @Jim Carver I'm sure TEPCO will find a way to discredit those seawater radioactivity levels as a "glitch" in the measuring device.
    by James Ward 4/16/2011 12:23:17 PM

  • @James Ward Their equipment seems to have a lot of problems. Some officials say it is the software, others say it is the hardware damaged in the quake. I think there are other possible explainations as well.
    by Jim Carver 4/16/2011 12:28:05 PM

  • The fuel rods in reactors 1, 2 and 3 are heavily damaged. Pieces of the rods melted into fragments about 1 cm wide or smaller and drifted to the bottom of the pressure vessels, the committee said. search.japantimes.co.jp

    Breaker from Alblee:
    Excerpt from that news report (with bracketed Alblee comment): But if those operations are interrupted for two or three days by an aftershock or other unforeseen event [[ like a Category 3 typhoon (?) ]], the reactors' cores will again be at risk of melting down further, he said.
    by Majjham Zazen edited by alblee 4/16/2011 12:31:22 PM

  • @Alblee Zao @all good morning Just to note; glow on teppycam more pronounced last night.

    Zao, @Marie_Rich (your time); wan time here GMT+8, 2045 or so local in Manila. - Alblee]
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    by marie rich edited by alblee 4/16/2011 12:40:59 PM

  • @ Marie R -now that is interesting - the glow became much dimmer for a while. Wonder what's happening
    by UKVal 4/16/2011 12:45:27 PM

  • @UKVal there was alot of steam ystdy. venting maybe?
    by marie rich 4/16/2011 12:46:42 PM

  • Update from JAIF Apr 16th. www.jaif.or.jp
    by Ralph Unger 4/16/2011 12:47:14 PM

  • Latest dust readings from MEXT. www.mext.go.jp
    by Ralph Unger 4/16/2011 12:49:30 PM

  • @ Marie Rich - interesting association. I wonder if there's any way to look back at the records & see if there's a correlation & if so how these events are connected
    by UKVal 4/16/2011 12:51:43 PM

  • From @Jim_Carver ...
    In this April 15, 2011 photo, carp streamers, which were found in the rubble, fly in the air at an area devastated by the March 11 earthquake and tsunami in Rikuzentakata, Iwate prefecture, northern Japan. It is a national tradition to raise a family of carp streamers outside houses on Children's Day in May, wishing children as good of health as vigorous carp. (AP Photo/Kyodo News)

    by alblee 4/16/2011 12:53:34 PM

  • Does most of the venting happen during the day shift? This chart shows daily small spikes. www.tepco.co.jp

    by Ralph Unger via Tepco.co.jp 4/16/2011 12:53:54 PM

  • @Ralph Unger There was speculation they were venting at night. Don't know if anyone has looked at reactor stats to try to guess actual times.

    [Thanks, @Nancy. Perhaps whistleblowing heat signature nocturnal images will tell... - Alblee]
    by Nancy edited by alblee 4/16/2011 1:05:15 PM

  • It is nighttime there now and it is hitting a low, I wonder what is causing the spikes?
    by Ralph Unger 4/16/2011 1:06:20 PM

  • @Ralph Unger like low pressures?

    [Hmmm, wonder how much relief in pressure venting does? Good point, @Nancy. - Alblee]
    by Nancy edited by alblee 4/16/2011 1:06:48 PM

  • Maybe just workers disturbing dust and rubble during the day, 25 uSv is a pretty significant change. @ Nancy, low pressures? Because things cool off at night?
    by Ralph Unger 4/16/2011 1:08:32 PM

  • Kyodo News: Accumulated radiation tops 17,000 microsieverts in Fukushima's Namie
    english.kyodonews.jp
    by Max 4/16/2011 1:11:21 PM

  • Kyodo News: New cooling systems may be installed outside Fukushima reactor buildings
    TOKYO, April 16, Kyodo
    Tokyo Electric Power Co. is considering installing circulating water cooling systems for nuclear reactors and spent fuel storage pools outside the reactor buildings at its crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant, sources familiar with the matter said Saturday.
    The new systems would cool nuclear fuel inside the reactors and spent fuel pools in a stable manner. They would involve heat exchangers and circulation pumps to drain reactor coolant water from the containment buildings, cooling it with seawater and then sending it back to the reactors, the sources said.
    TEPCO appears to have already placed orders for dozens of gasketed plate heat exchangers -- each measuring 3 meters high, 1 meter wide and 2 meters long -- for such systems, the sources said.
    The existing circulating water cooling systems at the plant were crippled by the March 11 earthquake and ensuing tsunami.
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    english.kyodonews.jp
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    Seems to be a indirect verification that the existing cooling is ruined. The combination of external power & a dry turbine room won't help. Rebuild necessary.
    by Max 4/16/2011 1:11:28 PM

  • @Max Sounds like a roundabout admission that trying to get into the buildings is mostly futile. People guessed things were beyond repair.
    by Nancy 4/16/2011 1:14:02 PM

  • They still have to get into the turbine rooms to fix the leaks and they can't do that because of the water there, they will continue to have water there until they fix the leaks. If they quit adding water the leaks will stop, and then the fuel rods may burn again. Catch 44 I guess.
    by Ralph Unger 4/16/2011 1:15:27 PM

  • Kyodo news: Japan nuclear commission fails to send experts to Fukushima
    english.kyodonews.jp

    [Here's hoping it's not because anybody chickened out. - Alblee]
    by Max edited by alblee 4/16/2011 1:17:16 PM

  • @Ralph Unger what a mess. I worry the outside rigged up cooling system would be vulnerable to another quake or tsunami. Then you would have contaminated water everywhere.
    by Nancy 4/16/2011 1:20:03 PM

  • @Alblee The roads were destroyed. That might have been a part of the problem and no one knew how dangerous it was to go there .

    [Right, @Ralph_Unger, but the secretariat staff apparently made it to a safe vantage point...
    QUOTE
    The commission has dispatched members of its secretariat to the prefecture since the crisis began the nuclear complex but a government official said, ''It seems a problem that none of the designated experts has gone to Fukushima.
    UNQUOTE

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    by Ralph Unger edited by alblee 4/16/2011 1:21:12 PM

  • A@Nancy, and what would damage to the jury rigged system do to the level of water in the plant?
    by Ralph Unger 4/16/2011 1:22:12 PM

  • Siphon all the water out of the reactors and fuel pools?
    by Ralph Unger 4/16/2011 1:22:40 PM

  • I still think it is the best they can do and the only way to begin to get a handle on this.
    by Ralph Unger 4/16/2011 1:23:40 PM

  • @Ralph Unger good point. If it is down gravity or has suction formed it would drain either one. It would have to be like our fish tank with above levels pull and push but even that can create suction. Accidentally left a hose in the aquarium and drained half of it onto the bathroom floor.
    by Nancy 4/16/2011 1:25:14 PM

  • @Ralph Unger so do it but still an unstable situation. BRB must reboot.
    by Nancy 4/16/2011 1:25:47 PM

  • I wonder if seawater evaporated and dropped as rain will have any radiation in it? This would be worse then Chernobyl if the leaks in the sea were considered.

    [Only if radioactive contaminants went up from a churned sea surface scenario and got sucked up as part of a violent storm system, I would think... Like a tornado uprooting a tree and dumping it a hundred meters away (?) - Alblee]
    by Ralph Unger edited by alblee 4/16/2011 1:25:56 PM

  • Given the fire trucks, big pumps, and the random gate crasher, roads have to be passable
    by Markfm 4/16/2011 1:34:28 PM

  • Potassium Iodide supplement launched www.sfgate.com
    by Bobby1 4/16/2011 1:39:19 PM

  • @ Bobby 1 - I'm a bit concerned about the potassium iodide pills. Read somewhere that it's not a good idea, especially for children, unless in a real nuclear emergency. I'll see if I can find the link
    by UKVal 4/16/2011 1:47:22 PM

  • by madrat via I1211.photobucket 4/16/2011 1:50:52 PM

  • by madrat via I1211.photobucket 4/16/2011 1:50:52 PM

  • @UKVal I've seen that too. Better to get iodine in natural form until necessary.
    by Bobby1 4/16/2011 1:52:30 PM

  • re ptassium iodide pills - here's a link to the FDA site www.fda.gov
    by UKVal 4/16/2011 1:52:59 PM

  • @madrat sorta. :-) One oddity I found is with that drying pool on the right. Instead of being long the direction in the plans and as you have it. The images show it long the other way. There are a bunch of images of it in my web page. I think in the one of the #3 pages. Not sure why they opted to run it the long way on #3 but the outline of it is pretty clear on images. But it IS in that general area, just rotated dimensions.
    by Nancy 4/16/2011 1:53:27 PM

  • @UKVal Interesting that they're starting to crank out the pills though.
    by Bobby1 4/16/2011 1:53:36 PM

  • @ Bobby1 - I agree. I don't want anyone here taking them uneccessarily
    by UKVal 4/16/2011 1:53:54 PM

  • @madrat, the reactor well may still be offset of the SFP, not directly lined up.
    by Nancy 4/16/2011 1:53:59 PM

  • @Nancy Thanks, that does make sense. I'm almost 100% sure that service floor plan isn't from these reactors as the dimensions were slightly different. Will you be posting new pictures on your site? Would be interested to see them so I can start on the 3D model again! Thanks..
    by madrat 4/16/2011 1:56:12 PM

  • @madrat On #4 we have no info of that drying pool that we do on #3. I think 4 and 3 are pretty close in design. I am pretty sure of the reactor cap being on that lower side. I also have a photo overhead of 4 that has part of the reactor well lip. I think it is just a tad more toward the middle. That would leave the reactor well slightly offset of the SFP.
    by Nancy 4/16/2011 1:56:23 PM

  • @madrat I have the first half ready I had it done late last night but everyone had gone offline and I was way too tired to think straight. Should have it uploaded here in a bit. The second batch that has the bulk of the inside details that will help I hope to get it done at some point today in between busy Saturday things. I am going to continue to dig for more inside images. I have been translating and digging on google.jp and it has given up a few images.
    by Nancy 4/16/2011 1:58:06 PM

  • www.meti.go.jp

    16 Apr 6:00 paint parameters.
    by Markfm edited by alblee 4/16/2011 1:58:17 PM

  • Kyodo news: Fukushima seawater radioactivity rises inside containment fence
    The level of radioactive substances in seawater increased sharply overnight inside a containment fence installed near the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, the operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Saturday.
    ...
    english.kyodonews.jp

    [Sounds to me like that would be logical... - Alblee]
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    by Max edited by alblee 4/16/2011 1:58:34 PM

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