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@General Armchair not done, not everything has ongoing data. We also have other people tracking daily data. I'm more trying to get those historical stats about the plant somewhere together.

@General Armchair @nancy not sure what your goal is data or pics, but drawings (or pics in this case) are given a number G-890 rev 0 the first number represents G=gerneral M= mechanical ect.. then the id number... then the REV 1/2/3 (revision) every time a new document or pic comes out you asing the series numbers (the letter here would be build #) 1-123 -rv 0 this way you always know what rev you are working off... but you need to keep a log as you add new rev's

@General Armchair was just back there refresh my menory witch one... short note i fig it out @elainekirk ty

@fitter It was this GA posted about 2 hours ago: @fitter (and anybody) I am very new here and don't know what's been discussed and/or resolved. But in reviewing the Cryptome #1 photoset (the Air Photo Services ones cryptome.org ) it looks like you can see blast effects on #3 turbine roof that seem to match the now blown out panels.

Specifically if you go to third through fifth ones down you can see two somewhat separate (though close together) blasts of debris on the #3 turbine roof. The southern edge of the first is almost aligned with with the south edge of #3 reactor building. Whatever blasts across the roof (assume it's the wall panel?) just misses the white edge of the roof, but then blasts the roof and removes a section of the opposite (east) white roof edge. The next blast over (to the north) is a little lower so it stirkes the white edge of the roof and then, I THINK, goes THROUGH the roof into that big hole, and mostly does not penetrate the east white roof edge.

I remember discussion about that hole (not here) -- was it a big chunk that dropped from the sky? Some thought yes but then others pointed out the girder smack in the middle of the hole probably precluded that. But a piece of relatively flimsy wall panel could maybe do the trick -- make the hole but not destroy the girder. The hole is just about the right width for it to have been caused by a wall panel.

The roof is perfectly level. So while both "blasts" seem to be angling down slightly, the one on the north coming in a bit lower.

To my eyes, these blasts seem to point straight at #3 SFP.

That said, the "blasts" to the north of these are less easy to make out and to be honest, do not necessarily point at the SFP. by General Armchair at 9:22 PM

@elainekirk i ve been looking at those two lines... parts of them make sence for one system, but then have things that would not make sence for what i am thinking so I am trying to figure if the weird parts are just a "quick repair" and that why they don't fit?????

@fitter Yes, several people have suggested a second explosion at 3. Of the top of my head, I recall UKVal, Tenzing and Thunder all independently reaching this conclusion recently. I don't have details of their posted reasoning to hand, but seems it's worth investigating the possibility further for sure.

@anybody Does anybody have the link to the satellite pics that were taken right before and after #3 explosion? I can't remember where they are, it was global somethingorother.

@fitter @es Re: a second explosion at #3. Are there any pics of the site between the global whatever satellite pics taken at the time of #3 explosion and the Air Photo Services pics (Cryptome photoset #1)?

@Bobby1 but we have video of 3 exploding.

@Bobby1 It almost looks like there is debris flying in the 7:00 am pic. I am pretty sure it's not that, but it is interesting :)

@Nancy Proof? It was a hypothesis.

@General Armchair 3's big explosion we have 1 minute before and 3 min after via digital globe sat photos

@nancy Thank you Digital Globe I couldn't recall the name.

@Bobby I've been looking into our archives at poudreinternetservice.com and specifically at the discussion on 29 March about Unit 4 SFP damage (from very near the bottom of the page upwards). As far as I can gather, it looks like TEPCO originally called the event an explosive sound:
"At approximately 6 am on March 15th, we confirmed the explosive sound and the sustained damage around the 5th floor rooftop area of the Nuclear Reactor Building."

And this was whilst NISA said:
"part of the wall in the operation area of unit 4 was damaged (06:14 March 15th)"

So there's an obvious discrepancy between the TEPCO and NISA reports. I agree things very possibly weren't what we were told Bobby, and also wonder whether the explosive sound TEPCO were referring to here wasn't the one from Unit 2 SC. Or was this sound another blast at 3? It would be bizarre, but could it be that they are simply confirming AN explosion, whilst reporting the extensive [fire? second #3 blast?] damage to Unit 4's 5th floor rooftop area?

@fitter Before I forget, you said that you saw evidence that the south wall of #4 might have been damaged by something rolling over it. I see what you're saying, but I think it's more likely the fact that all the wall pillars on the south side are gone -- that probably is the best explanation for the sagging part of south end of #4 roof (if that's what you meant).

@General Armchair thats also a possiblity and that would be my only conculsion, except the way the northside of the building looks and the n/w corner has the two serpintine bent connectores... which could just be from the right side caving over... just looking... not sold on all the info TEPCO puts out..

If we can't see it it doesn't mean it doesn't exist..... the short video of the sfp they put out today.... don't you ask WHY so short, why not show all or more??? sometimes its what they don't show that has the most info.....

@fitter I think the 8th pic down on cryptome.org shows what you're talking about at NW corner #4 reactor building, right? To my eyes the two N-S girders that are bent (one toward the west, the other east, so they almost look to make a circle) were made that way because (FOR WHATEVER AS YET UNDETERMINED REASON) the top section of the North wall got pushed in.

@General Armchair how about it got pushed in when the lower section was pushed out. When the big piece of (what is likely) shroud metal went flying into the end wall?

@Nancy By shroud metal do you mean that big curved piece of (whatever it is?) that is lying on #4 roof girders, right behind the North wall?

Barring a second explosion in #3, how do the various short pieces of what look to be roof girder make it onto roof of #4? If they come from #4 they would seem to have to have come from the most northerly section of the roof, essentially between the North wall and the first main E-W girder. Is it POSSIBLE that the big curved piece is from INSIDE #4 -- went up pretty much vertically (breaking through the roof and scattering girders) and then falling back down more or less in place but catching enough of North wall to bow it inward?????