Japan Earthquake

Japan Earthquake | Page 1057

Well a lot of the shrimp are farmed now, and so not at the bottom.
by bo 5/9/2011 6:50:22 AM

www.atmos.umd.edu
by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 6:50:31 AM

This is an amazing animation that a friend of mine made about nuclear tests. www.youtube.com
by bo 5/9/2011 6:50:56 AM

What do shrimp eat? Your earlier point was a very good one.
by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 6:51:12 AM

The are feed manufactured feed, for the most part. I visited a trout farm in Wisconsin once and the trout were fed Purina Trout Chow.
by bo 5/9/2011 6:53:52 AM

When people here ask me what is safe to eat I tell them to try to eat as low on the food chain as possible.
by bo 5/9/2011 6:56:26 AM

That is what I read also Bo, it is also good for the environment to do that anyways.
by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 6:57:41 AM

Shrimp for me, but no clams or oysters, filter feeders.
by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 6:58:12 AM

70% of the oysters in Japan come from Hiroshima, they are all farmed near the surface of the water. I think that the fish piece will hit all Japanese where it matters. Almost everyone eats fish everyday, sometimes 2-3 times a day. To have anxiety about fish will have a big impact here.
by bo 5/9/2011 6:59:26 AM

Sand lances suspect, are they not a kind of squid? so they are food for larger fish.
by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 7:00:17 AM

www.nmfs.noaa.gov
by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 7:01:11 AM

True. There is no place
to hide, as David Bradley once said.
by bo 5/9/2011 7:03:53 AM

6 days until the plume hits me here in Texas, I am not worried though. It has not rained here in 3 months, I hope it continues that trend.
by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 7:05:33 AM

I was just in Texas two weeks ago, at a conference in San Antonio. I took a day trip with a buddy to tour a former Atlas missile silo that a fellow had converted into a home. It was amazing.
by bo 5/9/2011 7:07:27 AM

No need for air conditioning down there. That is a huge part of my utility bill.
by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 7:08:42 AM

I had no idea they had those in central Texas.
by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 7:10:10 AM

These were early ones, from the early/mid 60s.
by bo 5/9/2011 7:10:38 AM

I always think of the mid-west when I think of missal silos. As far from the coast as you can get.
by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 7:11:21 AM

Plus granite, not limestone.
by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 7:12:27 AM

@Ralph Unger IIRC they never used LN2 at Chernoybal.
by RBeaner 5/9/2011 7:12:40 AM

Yes, the center of the continent. I think they just built the first ones near existing military bases. Later a more elaborate infrastructure would let them choose the locations. Plus, the Soviet missiles were more capable and ours had to be hidden further out of range, in the center of the continent.
by bo 5/9/2011 7:13:06 AM

On The use of MOX, a little boost to the end of life cypcle power output, ~12%, so a little more profit. The big reason for MOX push now, (1995-2010) is the Bombs. About Russia's and the U.S.'s Plutonium Disposition Protocol:

■The protocol makes arms reductions irreversible by ensuring that U.S. and Russia will transparently dispose of weapon-grade plutonium from their respective nuclear weapons programs, thereby preventing the plutonium from ever being reused for weapons or any other military purpose.
■Each country agreed to complete and operate facilities that will dispose of 34 metric tons of plutonium -- enough for 17,000 nuclear bombs -- by using it as fuel in civil power reactors.
■Disposition activities on both sides will be subject to monitoring and inspections.
■The agreement calls for plutonium to be disposed by irradiating it in light water reactors in the U.S. and in fast-neutron reactors operating under certain nonproliferation conditions in the Russian Federation.
■The U.S. MOX fuel fabrication facility being constructed at Savannah River Site is scheduled to begin operation in 2016; Russia has already fabricated MOX fuel on a limited basis and is in the process of constructing/modifying fuel fabrication facilities capable of producing MOX fuel at levels required to meet agreed-upon disposition rate.
■Both countries plan to begin disposition by 2018.
Source: U.S. State Department
by RBeaner 5/9/2011 7:14:50 AM

15-20 years from now, Uranium will be more rare, difficult to mine. The plan was to increase Nuke power, therefore need more U, so reprocess would become more useful, hence MOX, but today, get rid of the possibility of easily rebuilding nuclear weapons inventories.
by RBeaner 5/9/2011 7:17:23 AM

@RBeaner I thought there were still abundant supplies, for example in Australia?
by bo 5/9/2011 7:23:55 AM

"With the bubbler pool gone, a meltdown was less likely to produce a powerful steam explosion. The molten core would now have to reach the water table below the reactor. To reduce the likelihood of this it was decided to freeze the earth beneath the reactor; this would also stabilize the foundations. Using oil drilling equipment, injection of liquid nitrogen began on 4 May. It was estimated that 25 tonnes of liquid nitrogen per day would be required to keep the soil frozen at -100 °C.[45]" www.vgzero.com
by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 7:29:41 AM

Probably also mentioned here somewhere as well. en.wikipedia.org
by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 7:31:40 AM

Fukushima's No. 1 reactor building radiation up to 700 millisieverts
TOKYO, May 9, Kyodo
The operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant found that the radiation level of the building housing the troubled No. 1 reactor stood at up to 700 millisieverts per hour, the government's nuclear agency said Monday, citing the need for radiation shielding to proceed with work to bring an end to the nuclear crisis.
by hudebnik 5/9/2011 7:42:57 AM

RB, Sweet , the Japanese never signed the agreements.
MOX fuel rods used in Japanese Nuclear Reactor present multiple dangers
Tuesday, 15 March 2011
by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 7:43:30 AM

More news on the small leak at Tsuruga : www.swissinfo.ch
by bo 5/9/2011 7:45:47 AM

dcbureau.org
by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 7:46:40 AM

And fron JIJI - High Radiation Detected at Fukushima N-Reactor Building
Fukushima, May 9 (Jiji Press)--High levels of radiation were detected inside the damaged building for the No. 1 reactor of the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant in northeastern Japan, the plant's operator, Tokyo Electric Power Co. <9501>, said Monday.
Radiation levels stood at 600 to 700 millisieverts around the central ladder on the first floor of the building and at 280 millisieverts inside the southern entrance of the building, according to the power supplier.
Meanwhile, for areas where workers will install an alternative cooling system and tune up gauges, radiation levels stood at 10 to 70 millisieverts on the first floor and at 40 to 100 millisieverts on the second floor.
Seven Tokyo Electric Power workers and two officials from the industry ministry's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency entered the No. 1 reactor building at around 4:20 a.m. Monday (7:20 p.m. Sunday GMT) to measure radiation levels inside.
Their exposure to radiation ranged from 2.7 to 10.56 millisieverts.
by hudebnik 5/9/2011 7:47:25 AM

Gov is smart for once, close it until it is safe.
by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 7:47:48 AM

Hud pls add link, I forget as well :-)
by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 7:48:38 AM

Here is the Jiji link: jen.jiji.com
by bo 5/9/2011 7:50:40 AM

@ Ralph I would except that is all the info there is!
by hudebnik 5/9/2011 7:50:56 AM

@bo - TY
by hudebnik 5/9/2011 7:51:10 AM

I wonder how tight the security is regarding keeping small planes outside of the exclusion zone. One angry/crazy person....
by bo 5/9/2011 7:52:21 AM

@ bo - is any more info appearing in Japanese language media?
by hudebnik 5/9/2011 7:52:24 AM

700 mSv is 2/3 of 1 sV which means about 15 mins max of work at that site. Until you get very sick. And you cannot go to work at a nuke plant ever again. So they are sending in amateurs?
by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 7:52:30 AM

I can do the work of a pro plumber in 5 hours, a real plumber would take 15 mins to do what I can.
by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 7:53:54 AM

@hudebnik unfortunately I don't read Japanese. But I haven't heard anyone talking about it. I doubt it is much more detailed. I'll ask around. I have asked several people about the coverage of the school level limit being raised. Everyone says that there is a lot in the media about it, but there is little "advocacy" or outrage. Just reporting.
by bo 5/9/2011 7:54:27 AM

@Ralph - yes and isn't #1 supposed to still have "intact containment"?
by hudebnik 5/9/2011 7:54:54 AM

The school story is minimal, the levels are below the limit for the most part.
by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 7:55:24 AM

Just being onsite, waiting for an assignment is a 2 month story and then, if they actually read the exposures, you must leave.
by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 7:56:56 AM

My sense is that most people here "have the feeling" or get the idea from the coverage that things are generally under control and are getting better. A friend of mine whose son just graduated in March and took a job in the Tokyo area was very concerned in April. Her son had not yet moved there, and he was able to delay starting his job for a month for various reasons. He has now started and she is very relieved that he was able to wait that month, since now things are ok.
by bo 5/9/2011 7:57:45 AM