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  • I get the feeling that readings are kind of sloppy. If you want about 80 pages I can send them LOL.
    by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 7:58:28 AM

  • @ bo - and that has very much been the official strategy - say as little as possible as late as possible and nobody much will worry.
    by hudebnik 5/9/2011 7:59:31 AM

  • @ all - Except here!
    by hudebnik 5/9/2011 8:00:12 AM

  • @hudebnik and if you have a compliant press, and no governmental oversight,
    it is a brilliant strategy
    by bo 5/9/2011 8:00:27 AM

  • now if they could only get that share price to rise again...
    by bo 5/9/2011 8:01:08 AM

  • When this first started, I mentioned TEPCO's confusion about per shift and per year limits. I think they are still confused.
    by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 8:01:27 AM

  • @ bo - well until longer-term effects begin to show, and there have been several changes of govt by then.
    by hudebnik 5/9/2011 8:01:49 AM

  • @hudebnik and so managing public opinion becomes as important, if not more, than managing the crisis, at least to the current govt.
    by bo 5/9/2011 8:03:14 AM

  • @ Ralph - I would be amazed if they are actually confused, as opposed to issuing confusing information (an information smokescreen if you like).
    by hudebnik 5/9/2011 8:03:24 AM

  • How could any worker get 100 mSv total dose when they had no meters for the first month?
    by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 8:03:29 AM

  • @bo - which is exactly what has been happening.
    by hudebnik 5/9/2011 8:04:00 AM

  • Tepco lacked radiation meters after tsunami "Tokyo Electric Power Co lost most of its dosimeters for workers at the Fukushima Daiichi plant when the tsunami from a 9.0 magnitude quake tore into the plant, the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said on Friday." But why did it take a month to replace them?
    by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 8:06:42 AM

  • Radiation at the plant now for many workers, 450 uSv, so...648 mSv since the disaster? 2/3 of a Sv which can kill and make you sick? The long term dosage will probably not make you sick, but the cancer risks are huge.
    by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 8:11:27 AM

  • @Ralph Unger The news you linked says "Tokyo Electroc Power Co lost MOST of its dosimeters [...]". In clear English that means they still had some, and we have known that since the first few days. They have been monitoring radiation since day 1.
    by Pedro Jesus 5/9/2011 8:11:30 AM

  • @ Ralph - piecing together fragments from a lot of reports it would seem that the local team at Fuku was overwhelmed by the enormity of what was happening and critically had little autonomy and was required to refer everything to 'head office' - the problem also being that communications were extensively disrupted.
    by hudebnik 5/9/2011 8:11:35 AM

  • @Pedro, they had to assume that all member of a team had the same dose, that lead to 2 worker s going to the hospitol.
    by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 8:13:19 AM

  • And crucially it would seem that there was no national disaster planning for an event of this type and magnitude - @bo what do you think?
    by hudebnik 5/9/2011 8:14:06 AM

  • @Ralph Unger There is no evidence that the two workers who were assisted in the hospital fell sick because of radiation exposure. Lets stick to facts.
    by Pedro Jesus 5/9/2011 8:14:48 AM

  • @ hud Good point, who does have autonomy?
    by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 8:15:09 AM

  • I am talking about the ones that got alpha burns.
    by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 8:15:42 AM

  • @Ralph Unger The ones that got exposed to radioactive water?
    by Pedro Jesus 5/9/2011 8:16:16 AM

  • Yep
    by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 8:16:27 AM

  • @ Ralph - well in very safety-critical situations (think airlines, medical operations as well as nuclear) it is normal for the senior person on duty to have absolute authority as it is predictable that there may well not be time to refer up.
    by hudebnik 5/9/2011 8:17:40 AM

  • @Ralph Unger Give me a few minutes, I'm going through the reports so you can see for yourself. I'll link it soon.
    by Pedro Jesus 5/9/2011 8:18:55 AM

  • They were asked to lay cables, and not given instruments to tell them the radioactivity of their environment. I call that negligence.
    by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 8:19:23 AM

  • The team boos had such instruments, but he was not the one laying cables.
    by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 8:20:26 AM

  • Boss...
    by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 8:20:36 AM

  • Or are you gonna tell me that there was no way to tell that that water was very contaminated unless you were a Rhodes scholar?
    by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 8:23:08 AM

  • Radiation comes in two forms, the quick and the slow. I-131 is quick and does damage in just a few weeks, Strontium takes a while to work it's charms, 20 years, but it sticks with you , so it is always betting on you getting cancer, ever over 30 years.
    by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 8:28:05 AM

  • Radioactive strontium detected more than 30 km from Fukushima plant "Minute amounts of radioactive strontium have been detected in soil and plants in Fukushima Prefecture beyond the 30-kilometer zone around the crippled Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Station, the science ministry said Tuesday." mdn.mainichi.jp
    by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 8:29:25 AM

  • @Ralph Unger Strontium is the one that tend to cause lekumia and skeleton cancer right?
    by Jocke_Jensen 5/9/2011 8:29:42 AM

  • Yes it replaces calcium if I recall correctlty.
    by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 8:30:22 AM

  • So it goes into the bones, you trade those out every 7 years if you are lucky.
    by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 8:32:14 AM

  • Real world, I have a I-131 gun, It shoots 100 bullets at your DNA every hour.But does not shoot for long, Strontium is like a sniper, it shoots a lot less bullets, but it keeps on shooting them for 30 years.
    by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 8:35:22 AM

  • And it is in you body, unlike most radioactive sources.
    by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 8:36:19 AM

  • Skin actually deflects a lot of radiation. So what you inhale or eat, it is a much worse thing.
    by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 8:38:01 AM

  • Sorry, was away for a few. What I heard here was that only 10% of the rad monitors were still intact after the tsunami. I know there has been a serious shortage. I was involved in a donation from a rad monitor manufacturer of units that ended up making their way to the prefectural govts. in Miyagi and Fukushima, and also to MEXT personnel. They were desperate for anything we could give them.
    by bo 5/9/2011 8:38:07 AM

  • The ones they usualy talk about should be the ones that manifest in your body afaik? Iodine, Cecium, Strontium etc
    by Jocke_Jensen 5/9/2011 8:38:14 AM

  • @Ralph Unger OK, I found the relevant reports. We followed this attentively at the time and apart from some unreliable news and a fake video clip on YouTube there was no confirmation that the three workers sustained any burns caused by the exposure to radioactive water. All three were discharged from the National Institute of Radiological Sciences in Chiba 4 days after being admitted to the hospital. www.tepco.co.jp www.tepco.co.jp www.tepco.co.jp www.tepco.co.jp
    by Pedro Jesus 5/9/2011 8:39:41 AM

  • Also, I heard from someone up at the RERF that they were told that workers did not follow orders in the first week because it would have made then exceed their annual allowable limits of radiation. This, I was told, was why they raised the permissible limits one week in. The implication was that steps that could have been taken that would have helped to alleviate the severity of the situation were not taken because workers refused to follow orders, instead following protocol. Of course this seemed to be like blaming the workers for the situation.
    by bo 5/9/2011 8:39:58 AM

  • In the US, we have no concerns, maybe a 50% increase in cancer, but we got that with the testing of bombs in the air. It is very very small In Japan I would be worried though.
    by Ralph Unger 5/9/2011 8:40:16 AM

  • I have wondered why there was not a stockpile of rad monitors in Tokyo, or somewhere in a TEPCO facility for just such a situation.
    by bo 5/9/2011 8:40:33 AM

  • @bo - absolutely, along with rad resistant suits etc - remember the ordinary shoes and duct tape of the early days?
    by hudebnik 5/9/2011 8:45:21 AM

  • Good morning - any further news on this reactor ?

    www.asahi.com
    TSURUGA, Fukui Prefecture - A reactor at the Tsuruga nuclear power plant in Fukui Prefecture has been shut down May 7 for an emergency check following a jump in radioactive readings.

    Japan Atomic Power Co., The plant operator, said May 6 the irregular readings at the No. 2 reactor could indicate damage to fuel assemblies in its core.
    by elainekirk 5/9/2011 8:47:15 AM

  • In a country with so many NPPs and in an earthquake zone, you would think stockpiled emergency equipment would be covered. But then again, that costs yen.
    by bo 5/9/2011 8:47:38 AM

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