Japan Earthquake | Page 1110
I-131? that is mostly gone already. If you have high 131 measurements pls link them to me and I will figure the piles state.by Ralph Unger 5/11/2011 7:33:47 PM
@WolfDK do they have the capability to vent 3?by Nancy 5/11/2011 7:33:59 PM
@wtm, Saw it, question is are there any pipes there ?by WolfDK 5/11/2011 7:34:25 PM- @Nancy, dont knowby WolfDK 5/11/2011 7:34:44 PM
- @WolfDK, don't know ??by wtm 5/11/2011 7:35:20 PM
- "@WolfDK do they have the capability to vent 3?" <- I dont knowby WolfDK 5/11/2011 7:35:56 PM
- @Nancy, if something did happen major, that might mean that they would have to evacuate all the workers from the plant. Then all bets are off on the other reactors ???by wtm 5/11/2011 7:36:14 PM
- @WolfDK I don't think they have capability to do much of anything with what is left of 3. The venting pipes are gone, they are filling water through the fire dept. line and have to fill the SFP with a hose. I have not heard about any ability to do so. TEPCO mentioned about the Sat. smoke show that it was a result of 3 having high RPV temps. I think if they could have vented then they would have to prevent more damageby Nancy 5/11/2011 7:36:53 PM
- Smoke from bottom of #3...by Optim 5/11/2011 7:38:21 PM
- Vent all you want, I-131 is a short half-life product, if it is present, then fission is still occurring. All the readings I get seem OK and the levels are dropping as they should.by Ralph Unger 5/11/2011 7:38:30 PM
- Seems that the smoke/steam is originating from center bottom of #3 and then laying low across the bottom toward #4, that is what is laying in the low lying areas towards the camera. Doesn't look like fog !by wtm 5/11/2011 7:38:37 PM
@Nancy Hasn't there been further damage to the #3 building since before the smoke show? What kind of temperatures would cause that?by Bobby1 5/11/2011 7:38:58 PM- Could it have been a pressure release valve going off ?by WolfDK 5/11/2011 7:39:05 PM
- Anybody know how to get a hold of Dean ?by wtm 5/11/2011 7:40:40 PM
- Rad levels still look good.by Ralph Unger 5/11/2011 7:40:43 PM
- @WolfDK I don't think they have an automatic pressure release valve. They have the one that used to run to the stack. My understanding is that it can be remotely run but that requries functioning electrical systems. 3's electricals are toast. The other way to vent it is manually open the vent.by Nancy 5/11/2011 7:40:54 PM
- @wtm, I have his email.by Nancy 5/11/2011 7:41:09 PM
UPDATE: Ten deaths confirmed in Spain earthquakes. www.publico.ptby Pedro Jesus 5/11/2011 7:41:09 PM- @Nancy, they must have otherwise the vessel would rupture in case of severe overpressureby WolfDK 5/11/2011 7:41:53 PM
@Bobby1 It's the constant rate/even dispersal assumption that gets me. I think when you keep thinking in terms of "per cubic meter" you start thinking of things as evenly dispersed, xxx atoms per 100 cubic meters. How many atoms of Cs-137 in a cubic meter is a Becquerel anyway?by radioguy 5/11/2011 7:42:02 PM
Smoke from 3 looks to be emanating from a different location...although not sure.by LM 5/11/2011 7:42:10 PM- I am thinking something not normally used, but a pressure vessel safety device (rupture disc)by WolfDK 5/11/2011 7:42:41 PM
- Please look at the pic and look at #1, notice the SFP is a blocked area on the top right of it. Now look at #3, there is no longer a blocked area on the top right of #3by wtm 5/11/2011 7:43:11 PM
- @LM Wind flow (drift?) looks to be kind of to the left and back toward us.by radioguy 5/11/2011 7:43:17 PM
- @WolfDK that is what caused 2 and 3 to go boom on top of the hydrogen was the pressure. both have "holes" in their pressure and containment systems. 3 has leaks out the gasket on the RPV cap. Looking at the low smoke I would guess maybe more? Someone like Mark who follows the stats more than I do might have a better idea what is going on right now.by Nancy 5/11/2011 7:43:30 PM
- Got to go, will be back laterby WolfDK 5/11/2011 7:43:39 PM
- 3 looks like it is coming out the reactor well on the topby Nancy 5/11/2011 7:44:04 PM
- Heavy smoke in the area now, blocking the camby wtm 5/11/2011 7:44:05 PM
- @Nancy, at the middle or bottom of the building.by wtm 5/11/2011 7:44:28 PM
- I hate to be a pixel picker, is #3 more damaged then it was?by Ralph Unger 5/11/2011 7:44:42 PM
- @Nancy, hard to see but i tend to agree - i am out BBLby WolfDK 5/11/2011 7:45:07 PM
- @wtm count the rows of building frame or what is left of it. Two rows down to the work deck. The steam column on 3 seems to be coming out of the work deck. Looks a bit too far to the left to be the SFPby Nancy 5/11/2011 7:45:54 PM
- @radioguy Nothing is evenly dispersed, when the cloud gets to N America it's not evenly dispersed, there are long pencil-like fingers of high concentrations, next to other areas that get little. This is what is disturbing. Areas in Poland had 50-100 times differences in concentrations over a few miles at Chernobyl.by Bobby1 5/11/2011 7:46:14 PM
- @Ralph Unger the shredded wall grid seems to be the same. Hard to tell on the work deck or lower areasby Nancy 5/11/2011 7:46:46 PM
- TY Nancy, looks worse to me, but it is behind the tower.by Ralph Unger 5/11/2011 7:47:37 PM
- The 5.5 quake was directly off the coast from the plant.by wtm 5/11/2011 7:47:42 PM
- @wtm how far away?by Nancy 5/11/2011 7:48:36 PM
- @Nancy, definitely not the SFP !! It is the reactor location.by wtm 5/11/2011 7:49:14 PM
- @Ralph Unger might be able to get a better pic in a few hours when they get full sunlightby Nancy 5/11/2011 7:49:19 PM
- Not from the tepcam.by Ralph Unger 5/11/2011 7:49:39 PM
- @Nancy, map doesn't have a distance reference on it.by wtm 5/11/2011 7:50:24 PM
- Looks to me like the north side of #3 is messed up big time.by Ralph Unger 5/11/2011 7:50:42 PM
- I am really surprised that with all the explosions that have been there that not one of the towers has fallen down ??by wtm 5/11/2011 7:52:45 PM
- They are far away from the plant, even if they do not look like it.by Ralph Unger 5/11/2011 7:53:52 PM
- @Nancy, smoke seems to be coming from the area at the bottom of the center leg of the tower.by wtm 5/11/2011 7:56:24 PM
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