Japan Earthquake

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Hope so - the event happened at 1006GMT/1906JST
by hudebnik 5/21/2011 11:45:35 AM

@elaine - have we any frames from the same cam position say yesterday?
by hudebnik 5/21/2011 11:46:56 AM

These pics blog.alexanderhiggins.com from 7 April have almost exactly the same camera framing as the present ones. On the live feed what is the sloping white object just to the left of the right hand (#3/4) vent tower?
by hudebnik 5/21/2011 12:05:32 PM

@hudebnik I think @debs is the cam expert I will see if she is next door
by elainekirk 5/21/2011 12:05:36 PM

@elain ty
by hudebnik 5/21/2011 12:05:54 PM

good morning to all
by dean 5/21/2011 12:08:13 PM

Morning @dean
by hudebnik 5/21/2011 12:09:47 PM

@dean g'morning
by elainekirk 5/21/2011 12:12:34 PM

#4 is smoking in it's own right now , do you think whatever happened has stopped cooling efforts
by elainekirk 5/21/2011 12:13:33 PM

@dean - we've had a very strange event today - if you look back to my post 2 hours 10 mins ago you'll see.
by hudebnik 5/21/2011 12:15:18 PM

taking a look hudebnik
by dean 5/21/2011 12:15:50 PM

@ How come they did not check internal radiation earlier?!! “The government has discovered thousands of cases of workers at nuclear power plants outside Fukushima Prefecture suffering from internal exposure to radiation after they visited the prefecture, the head of the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said.” Almost 5000!
mdn.mainichi.jp
Can you be clean of radioation when checked with a geiger, but still suffer from internal radiation?
by Mona 5/21/2011 12:16:05 PM

@mona - makes it sound like they were tourists. Presumably many of them were emergency workers drafted in from other nuclear plants as there were nowhere near enough trained people at Fukushima to cope.
by hudebnik 5/21/2011 12:21:40 PM

@hudebrink 5000 nuclear workers. I don't know so much about radiation - we're told the workers are checked, and not allowed to receive more than 250mSv - what is that messuring worth if they can suffer from so much radiation inside? Then it's only false security?
by Mona 5/21/2011 12:27:55 PM

mona, at the facility where I worked there is a protocol for performing a whole body count - 1) if you want one due to being in a higher rad level 2) routine whole body counts for radiation workers to keep track 3) if there were an indication of receiving internal contamination ie" ingestion.. they typically pull nose swabs where it's first detected or open wounds from an accident... answer to the question.. .yes you can have internal contamination that isn't picked up with a gieger. if one is in a high rad area and hits a trip level on suspected internal uptake they do a bio assay sample as well... ie" you take a yellow lunch box home, give a sample from a bowl movement and then take the lunch pail back in for counting
by dean 5/21/2011 12:28:34 PM

@mona - could be. We know that the anti-rad precautions in the early days were lamentable, and that there was a heavy release of radioactivity, probably from #3 explosion, spread over the site and well beyond.
by hudebnik 5/21/2011 12:30:00 PM

@dean any thoughts about our 'pink screen' incident?
by hudebnik 5/21/2011 12:30:49 PM

houseoffoust.com inviting you all to read my write up which is on our web page, alittle more work to be done on it be we wanted to get it out and see if there are comments/questionos
by dean 5/21/2011 12:30:57 PM

@dean - I have read it and it is EXCELLENT - thanks you.
by hudebnik 5/21/2011 12:31:23 PM

If you would like any (non-technical) proofreading let me know, I'm an ex-journo.
by hudebnik 5/21/2011 12:32:16 PM

Hi ust logged In & catching up. Re pink screen - happens to me sometimes, usually it's the connection going down. Re flashes -I thought I saw 2 of those last night, but wasn't sure if it was my eyes so didn't report
by UKVal 5/21/2011 12:32:25 PM

As you can tell from my typing...
by hudebnik 5/21/2011 12:32:34 PM

hedebnik,, that is a mystery to me, in my mind I keep thinking that different colors are indicative of different types of materials coming in contact with a hot source and then burning or melting,,,, I"ve often thought maybe it could be the corium burning different types of the same material,,, flashes of light may be something that drops into the melted fuel etc and flashes... I'm just kinda puzzled on that.. keep asking during the day ,, will be a good topic
by dean 5/21/2011 12:33:52 PM

hudegnik I would like that.. if you can copy it and add comments please do and send to my @gmail email address
above
by dean 5/21/2011 12:34:44 PM

The strange thing was it didn't look like connection problems, as it wasn't uniform across the whole picture. The initial whiteout seemed to have a marked central point - for all the world it looked like one of the films oh H bomb tests, when the intensity of the light in the first seconds overexposes the film.
by hudebnik 5/21/2011 12:34:58 PM

@dean - certainly
by hudebnik 5/21/2011 12:35:24 PM

watch the radiation level numbers for just before and then for a time after that event hudebnik...
by dean 5/21/2011 12:36:06 PM

I must leave for my bicycle race.. be back later
by dean 5/21/2011 12:36:17 PM

@dean good luck with the race
by elainekirk 5/21/2011 12:36:47 PM

ty elaine...
by dean 5/21/2011 12:36:56 PM

@dean hudbrink well this was all new to me. Thank you. But I feel tricked by japanese authorities... They do not have the control for the safety of the workers I was hoping for
by Mona 5/21/2011 12:37:11 PM

Another little fact for the debate is that Tepco have been fiddling markedly with the water injection - these from their press releases
-From 2:15 pm, May 20th, we changed the amount of water injected to the
reactor pressure vessel of Unit 3 by the feed water system from 9m3/h to 12m3/h.

-From 5:39 pm, May 20th, we gradually decreased the water injection rate
to the reactor of Unit 3 through Fire Protection System from 9m3/h, and
at 11:54 pm we reached 6m3/h. And #3 has been very unstable throughout www.tepco.co.jp
by hudebnik 5/21/2011 12:37:32 PM

@dean - have a good race and no punctures!
by hudebnik 5/21/2011 12:37:48 PM

@dean good luck wwith your race
by Mona 5/21/2011 12:37:48 PM

@all - I'm taking a break, back later. will let you know if hear anything
by hudebnik edited by elainekirk 5/21/2011 12:40:19 PM

@mona the authorities relied on the industry they let tepco lead - that failed the people who appointed them to lead, protect and administer justice. There should be an investigation and yet they are still 'asking' tepco and tepco are still selectively replying.
Tepco never said the workers would be safe the government upon hearing of the workers conditions in the early days should have acted in their interests they get a plastic tent whilst millions are spent on legal and PR advice
by elainekirk 5/21/2011 12:41:26 PM

@elainekirk good words. yes tepco has resposibility also really. even if the boss always must take the responsibility. it's terrible about the workers conditions. I can't stand thinking about it.
by Mona 5/21/2011 12:49:40 PM

something else that didn't strike me as odd at the time. At dawn yesterday the cam pic was poor, like over exposure. General white light. But if I looked at the screen obliquely there seemed to be a gold semicircular aura around 3. - a bit like looking at the sun. At the time I thought it was sun coming up, but later realised if it had been the sun reflected on the sea it should have continued to the top of the screen & it stopped well short. It maybe nothing...
by UKVal 5/21/2011 12:50:01 PM

Good morning. Sad to say I was not recording last night. Moving the PC to another room, got tired and didn't finish the job. I will be able to dedicate it to 24/7 recording starting today. This is all I have from yesterday, taken at 12:43 JST.
by deb 5/21/2011 12:52:26 PM

I think of all the radiation releases in the beginning, the meltings happening in the beginning – what do people think about what % of total was this releases, and how much % is left? Is it possible to know anything about this?
by Mona 5/21/2011 12:54:58 PM

Good Morning @ ALL Fukushima, May 21 (Jiji Press)--Tokyo Electric Power Co. <9501> said Saturday that some 250 tons of water including 20 terabecquerels of radioactive substances flowed into the sea from the No. 3 reactor of its stricken Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant earlier this month. jen.jiji.com
by Shadow 5/21/2011 12:56:18 PM