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I missed it carabnr .. and hiby dean 5/21/2011 12:11:57 AM- Nancy.. is there something I can try to help out with or research... I was dabbling in the idea that H2by dean 5/21/2011 12:12:29 AM
@carabnr I had this issue posed to me by one of the Japanese reporters. The workers are literally roasting in those tyvek suits they wear and TEPCO is doing nothing to improve their situation or find options to help with the heat issues and summer is coming on. Any info you can give on heat stroke, things the workers can do to help mitigate the heat effects or modification that might help make them cooler?by Nancy 5/21/2011 12:12:48 AM- H2 somehow was moved to #4 plant from #3 and caused the explosionby dean 5/21/2011 12:12:59 AM
- @dean I was going to ask you what you know about rad suits and protection?by Nancy 5/21/2011 12:13:17 AM
- have used rad suits alot and know about the cooling mechanisms we've used before successfully ..by dean 5/21/2011 12:14:16 AM
- there are lots of systems that could work thereby dean 5/21/2011 12:14:35 AM
- @dean I was wondering what role the base layer clothing inside plays. They are desperate for options and the corporate office is doing nothing. So if you know of things that might work that would be a huge help.by Nancy 5/21/2011 12:15:27 AM
- I will come up with a list of things Nancy... we we've worked in HIGH RAD areas you have to wear triple anti-C's and full face respirators which is what causes the heat.. some systems us cooling devices on the inside layer that has either cooling belts or cooling air from a vortex cooling system. I"ll get you somethingby dean 5/21/2011 12:17:30 AM
- @dean that would be great. Talked to someone with NBC military training. They mentioned a type of canteen and mask that lock together to prevent contamination. I had wondered about camelbacks but didn't know if there was a safe way to feed it into the mask.by Nancy 5/21/2011 12:19:00 AM
- www.wmsym.org this link has some good ideas Nancyby dean 5/21/2011 12:19:41 AM
Sorry Im deticking myself. There are these polymer gel packs/ scarves you can get that can be frozen. Drink plenty of fluid before and after.by carabnr 5/21/2011 12:20:41 AM- Ice vests have really been beneficial along with fresh air lines that are run through a coolerby dean 5/21/2011 12:21:44 AM
- @carabnr the person with NBC training said the army standard is 1 qt per 30 minutes. Any suggestions how much to drink up front if they can't drink throughout the work attempt?by Nancy 5/21/2011 12:21:55 AM
- @dean. One thought I had was for the workers to wear hot weather UnderArmor clothing instead of the cotton knit shirt/pants they wear under their work gear or tyveks. I didn't know if that base layer provided a needed attribute for protection.by Nancy 5/21/2011 12:24:35 AM
- Airconditioning is the way you get out of heat exhaustion, color red, sweating... Heat stroke is much more serious, and the persons body temperature increases uncontrolled because the person stops sweating, they also appear pale. I'm not sure but I've worked out in the heat most of my life as a carpenter nad I could drink a big gulp at break and not have to pee all day.by carabnr 5/21/2011 12:25:09 AM
- Nancy.. the reason for triple suits is to allow them to come out of a zoned off area taking the most potentially contaminated clothing off first.. then the second layer in a lower zone and finall the last pair to go out of a radiological zone..by dean 5/21/2011 12:26:31 AM
- @dean so the base layer could be under armor instead of the cotton knit shirt/pants?by Nancy 5/21/2011 12:27:25 AM
- yes..by dean 5/21/2011 12:28:11 AM
- @dean great! I didn't want to suggest it and find out it defeated a purposeful layer.by Nancy 5/21/2011 12:28:41 AM
- I can look into the hydration factor.by carabnr 5/21/2011 12:28:45 AM
- the big problem is working in high rad areas where they have to have 3 layers of clothing ...by dean 5/21/2011 12:29:13 AM
- and at the elevated temps and humidity .. wow.. 10 min's doing work your getting weakby dean 5/21/2011 12:29:38 AM
- @carabnr that would be great. Maybe we get something organized put together for the web site, then I can send that to the reporter to forward on. I might be able to get some of the media to pick it upby Nancy 5/21/2011 12:29:50 AM
- @dean I have seen multiple comments in the news that Japan starts getting hot soon and it is a worry on multiple levels plus the heat in these buildings and they have nothing to combat it. They put in a couple of temp buildings that have shielding etc. so they can take their mask of etc in them. Would carrying a water supply in to a high rad area if it was inside the suit cause a safety issue with the water?by Nancy 5/21/2011 12:31:48 AM
- nancy.. check this link.. I think they would work great thereby dean 5/21/2011 12:32:02 AM
- by dean 5/21/2011 12:32:06 AM
- I'll do what I can. TY Nancyby carabnr 5/21/2011 12:32:25 AM
QuakeAlert
DATE : 05/21/2011 02:16:24
TIME : 14 minutes ago
REG. : South Sandwich Islands region
MAG. : 6.5
DEP. : 33.0 km
ID : 112435
quakes.globalincidentmap.comby Edano 5/21/2011 12:32:53 AM- can't drink in the high rad zone... but I wouldn't think they would be in that high zone very long due to exposureby dean 5/21/2011 12:32:55 AM
- @carabnr that would be wonderful. Any suggestions about first aid response might not be bad either.by Nancy 5/21/2011 12:33:05 AM
- now is the time when innovation needs to take hold and come up with new designs for temp control on workers.. thnk outside the BOXby dean 5/21/2011 12:33:21 AM
- sure Nancyby carabnr 5/21/2011 12:33:30 AM
- Edano.. hi...by dean 5/21/2011 12:33:36 AM
- @dean I worried that having your water with you in a brief high rad zone would somehow contaminate the water?by Nancy 5/21/2011 12:33:36 AM
- those votex tubes are phenominalby dean 5/21/2011 12:34:20 AM
- yes nancy.. you would have to carrying it inside.. perhaps the ice vests could hold water and have a sealed tube to sip from ... I have not been in an area where that is done for fear of ingesting contamination tho.. we always have electrolytes and break places for the workers to take heat breaks which works wellby dean 5/21/2011 12:35:28 AM
- I think all they need to do is get fresh air work stations with hoses etc..by dean 5/21/2011 12:36:07 AM
- www.indmark.in another linnkby dean 5/21/2011 12:37:01 AM
- @dean we used to use camelbacks for sports uses. I thin the NBC gear assumes lower more disbursed radiation?by Nancy 5/21/2011 12:37:35 AM
- probably @ Nancy..by dean 5/21/2011 12:39:32 AM
- I have to step away for a bit.. will return laterby dean 5/21/2011 12:39:41 AM
- @dean they set up two temp buildings that are sealed off in that pink plastic and I think they are shielded. The reference to them as being break stations for workers. Didn't see details on cooling or air supplyby Nancy 5/21/2011 12:39:46 AM
- hopefully they will have something set up for the workers to lower body temps...by dean 5/21/2011 12:40:48 AM
- be back ..by dean 5/21/2011 12:40:52 AM
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