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  • @all - an observation on the debate about #4 SFP a few hours ago. The pics showing the good condition of the #4 pool with hardly any debris etc also showed that it didn't look at all hot. On the other hand the pics taken from the Putzmeister about 10 days ago showed it simmering hard, which would tally with the regularly reported #4 SFP water temps of around 85C. Discuss!
    by hudebnik 5/23/2011 8:19:42 AM

  • which pics @hudebnik could you repost one ? we have bad winds here going to batten down the hatches back in 5
    by elainekirk 5/23/2011 8:21:31 AM

  • @elaine - I can't at the moment as \i'm using a little netbook and its all \i can do to type (or not) but I'll try later.
    by hudebnik 5/23/2011 8:25:19 AM

  • do you know what time it was posted?
    by elainekirk 5/23/2011 8:30:31 AM

  • Good closeup of #4 on Tippycam right now, with the red Putz doing something/spraying? at the pool area.
    by Mart 5/23/2011 8:35:14 AM

  • tippycam

    by elainekirk 5/23/2011 8:41:15 AM

  • @elaine - I can't find them at the moment but the crowd wisdom here soon will. @all - I'm looking for links to the two closeup videos of the #4 SFP, both from Tepco - the first was about 10-14 days ago from the Putz and showed it simmering hard, the second was the one showing it in good condition and not looking hot, a week ago(?). II'll try later but am out of time (and PC) now.
    by hudebnik 5/23/2011 8:41:55 AM

  • @hudebnik ok I will look for those thank you
    by elainekirk 5/23/2011 8:45:57 AM

  • During the early closeup of #4 there was a really good view of the yellow containment cap, and it is in the exact spot the white rounded square-ish thing can be seen sometimes, and clear why it sometimes looks yellowish even from a distance, as though flame, when the light hits it right. I'd never seen it so clearly in the live views. Closer to the edge than I'd thought from the stills, where it's harder to get context.
    by Mart 5/23/2011 9:22:57 AM

  • by Mart 5/23/2011 9:27:46 AM

  • oops. The link below is from the brief video showing sampling from #4's pool. You can clearly see the surface bubbling and boiling.
    by Mart 5/23/2011 9:29:10 AM

  • And this one may be the one you're looking for? It has lots of bubbles coming up from down within the pool, and small pieces of debris floating around and it looks like a much more active process going on in there than the most recent video. Some of the fuel and containers and spacers here look rather ragged and possibly may show evidence of fuel slump within the containers. Doesn't look as 'together' as the last almost serene looking video. I wondered if it is the #4, might they have taken the video right after a cooling spray, which might ease off the boiling for awhile?
    by Mart 5/23/2011 9:34:20 AM

  • Sorry, trying to deal with the 'net on a phone is a challenge sometimes...
    by Mart 5/23/2011 9:35:31 AM

  • @mart I will pin that for hudebnik thank you
    by elainekirk 5/23/2011 9:37:58 AM

  • The one I mentioned below, that I think hudebnik wanted. Maybe:-) Sorry for the klutzy fingers.

    by Mart 5/23/2011 9:41:24 AM

  • @mart that is good I have pinned your link for hudebnik
    by elainekirk 5/23/2011 9:42:47 AM

  • @elainekirk, sorry, meant to post just the link. Mod it away as needed. Where are you in Scotland? My grandfather came from Lerwick in the Shetlands.
    by Mart 5/23/2011 9:43:34 AM

  • Serious thought experiment: If the rapture did happen and 144,000 people disappeared at one time all around the earth, would we be able to piece it together or would we never know until the end?
    by Hank Scorpio 5/23/2011 9:45:48 AM

  • @mart - ty, that's the second one I was looking for.
    by hudebnik 5/23/2011 9:50:02 AM

  • @hudebnik, did you get the sampling one, that has the bubbling boiling surface? www.youtube.com
    by Mart 5/23/2011 9:51:02 AM

  • @Mart I am on the West Coast where the wind is a-blowing and the ferries have all taken refuge - don't I just love not having to sweep the cobwebs nature at my service :)
    by elainekirk 5/23/2011 9:56:38 AM

  • @mart - still looking for the sampling bubbling boiling one
    by hudebnik 5/23/2011 9:58:16 AM

  • Sorry, too early, too small a phone. Try this: www.youtube.com
    by Mart 5/23/2011 10:02:41 AM

  • Just had a big pink moment on the TBS
    by bojack54 5/23/2011 10:06:49 AM

  • @mart - that will do nicely thanks
    by hudebnik 5/23/2011 10:10:06 AM

  • @bojack54 - exactly the same time as the 2 previous days. Any flashes?
    by hudebnik 5/23/2011 10:10:26 AM

  • It is the camera changing its settings from day to night. Opposite of in the morning.
    by jt 5/23/2011 10:11:10 AM

  • Some sort of filter on the camera lens, apparently.
    by bojack54 5/23/2011 10:16:10 AM

  • @all - my question on the debate about #4 SFP a few hours ago and whether the pics of it in good condition were actually taken there. The pics showing the good condition of the #4 pool with hardly any debris taken on 30 April www.youtube.com showed that it didn't look at all hot. On the other hand the pics taken from the Putzmeister on 15 April www.youtube.com showed it simmering hard, which would tally with the regularly reported #4 SFP water temps of around 85C. Are the pics from the same pool? Discuss!
    by hudebnik 5/23/2011 10:20:27 AM

  • @bojack54 - did you see the actual moment when the picture changed?
    by hudebnik 5/23/2011 10:21:09 AM

  • @hudebnik, the one taken on 30 April shows bubbles rising up, which is a likely signs that it's steaming. Because the camera is submerged on the April-30 video, we can't be sure it's not steaming on the surface. But the rising bubbles might suggest it is. Curious too, for risings bubbles suggest as means of offgassing and radionuclide release even when submerged.
    by Ian 5/23/2011 10:32:29 AM

  • Yeah, notice the rising bubbles from the U4 SFP www.youtube.com Anyone heard what that means and entails?
    by Ian 5/23/2011 10:36:52 AM

  • Should there be so many empty racks in SFP4? (see my link just below) Did some rods blow out?
    by Ian 5/23/2011 10:38:36 AM

  • SFP #4 was almost at capacity
    by elainekirk 5/23/2011 10:42:55 AM

  • good morning to one and all
    by dean 5/23/2011 11:02:36 AM

  • Morning @dean!
    by hudebnik 5/23/2011 11:03:12 AM

  • Understaffing stalls donations / Local govts need help to distribute money to disaster survivors www.yomiuri.co.jp why is this money donated to the people not with the charities? why is goj controlling it?
    by elainekirk 5/23/2011 11:09:15 AM

  • any new surprises at the FUKU
    by dean 5/23/2011 11:09:17 AM

  • gm elaine,,, QUEEN FOR THE DAY
    by dean 5/23/2011 11:09:26 AM

  • I haven't been to look for new releases yet @dean you putting kettle on?
    by elainekirk 5/23/2011 11:10:05 AM

  • @dean there is this I will see if I can find an English version translate.google.com
    by elainekirk 5/23/2011 11:13:29 AM

  • TEPCO:Quake caused no major damage to reactors

    Tokyo Electric Power Company has found from its data that the March 11th earthquake caused no safety abnormalities at the reactors at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant until the tsunami came.

    The plant operator is expected to submit its analysis of data following the quake in a report to the government on Monday.

    TEPCO's data was intact from the time the quake hit until the tsunami arrived and destroyed all power sources. But afterward, data was only gathered at times when batteries and other power sources were used.

    TEPCO undertook its analysis using the available data and interviews with plant workers.

    The plant operator concluded the quake caused no major damage to the main piping and other parts of the reactors. TEPCO found no safety abnormalities at any of the reactors until the tsunami hit.

    At the No.1 reactor, where a meltdown is suspected, workers may have manually shut down the reactor's emergency cooling system immediately after the quake. It is said that the operation subsequently caused problems for cooling the reactor.

    TEPCO has gone through a manual on the operation of the reactor cooling system and investigated why it took nearly 3 hours to restore the system. The findings are expected to be included in the report.

    Monday, May 23, 2011 08:15 +0900 (JST)
    www3.nhk.or.jp
    by Edano 5/23/2011 11:15:43 AM

  • Earthquake 3.9 (Richter), 6Km east of Faial, Azores, Portugal at 7h23 (GMT) today. www.publico.pt
    by Pedro Jesus 5/23/2011 11:18:21 AM

  • TEPCO didn't follow Fukushima emergency manual

    NHK has learned it is highly likely that the operator of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant did not follow the procedures to prevent a hydrogen explosion.

    NHK obtained the manual for the No.1 reactor, where the hydrogen blast occurred on March 12th, one day after the tsunami destroyed the reactor's cooling system.

    A failure of the cooling system causes the pressure inside the reactor's container vessel to rise and generates the risk of a hydrogen explosion.

    The manual calls for releasing air from the vessel when the pressure is projected to rise to 853 kilopascals -- double the operating limit.

    A venting operation is necessary to prevent the vessel from being damaged, which could lead to the leakage of a large amount of radioactive substances.

    The manual NHK has obtained shows that the pressure inside the vessel was close to the level that requires a venting operation 13 hours before the explosion occurred.

    But the plant operator, Tokyo Electric Power Company, did not start the operation until 6 and a half hours before the explosion, and the operation was carried out just one and a half hours before the blast because it was hampered by high-level radioactivity.

    A former nuclear plant engineer, Masashi Goto, says the utility should have released air when the pressure rose close to twice the operating limit.

    Goto says if the company had done this, the amount of hydrogen leaked from the reactor core to the container vessel would have been smaller, reducing the risk of an explosion.

    Tokyo Electric declined to comment, saying it is evaluating its decision to release the air.

    Sunday, May 22, 2011 23:18 +0900 (JST)
    www3.nhk.or.jp
    by Edano 5/23/2011 11:18:23 AM

  • Work to reinforce No.4 reactor building to begin

    Work is beginning on Monday at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant to reinforce the structure supporting the No.4 reactor's spent fuel pool.

    Tokyo Electric Power Company, the plant's operator, says the work is necessary to install a cooling system for the stored spent fuel.

    An explosion that occurred 4 days after the March 11 earthquake damaged the spent fuel pool inside the building housing the No.4 reactor.

    TEPCO's plan calls for building a new concrete structure under the pool to prevent its bottom from falling out. 30 steel columns will be set up on the second floor of the building to support the new structure.

    Workers are to enter the building on Monday. They will shield the heat exchanger to prevent high levels of radiation from affecting workers, remove walls that might hinder their activity, and erect a scaffold.

    TEPCO says it hopes to erect the columns next month and complete the reinforcement by the end of July.

    The utility's latest plan for putting the reactors under control has an end-of-July deadline for the installation of a water recycling system for cooling the No.4 reactor's spent fuel pool.

    The water inside the pool remains hot, at around 80 degrees Celsius.

    Monday, May 23, 2011 12:59 +0900 (JST)
    www3.nhk.or.jp
    by Edano 5/23/2011 11:20:41 AM

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