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right Bobby,, not sure how quickly technology in renewables can make up the quantity of power needed to duplicate nuclear but one option is .. ratchet down the need for power..by dean 5/25/2011 2:46:15 PM
@dean One thing I never hear discussed in the US is what is using most of the power? Is it industry? retail? residential? Knowing what is the bulk of consumption should help address other options or ways to reduce consumption.by Nancy 5/25/2011 2:47:51 PM
i love tepco language: the anylysis of data, which took us two months to calculate, may assume that there is a certain chance that one or two fuel rods may have eventually molten.by Edano 5/25/2011 2:47:55 PM
intriguing. " Fukushima a stake through nuclear industry’s heart"
It is the long-term consequences of the dispersal of radioactive reactor core fissionable material and, in the case of Fukushima, spent reactor fuel, that no amount of spin doctoring can diminish, and far from being environmental propaganda from eco-terrorists, has been a concern of specialists for decades, but those voices rarely reach the mainstream media, many of which are owned by massive corporations deeply invested in the revival of nuclear power.
oilprice.comby Panserbjorne9 5/25/2011 2:48:25 PM- @Nancy : this is known all over the world. the us have a very high personal power consumption.by Edano 5/25/2011 2:49:13 PM
@dean Once renewables get traction, economies of scale take over and it will become cheaper. Ending the government-subsidized risk for nuclear power (a subsidy) will help greatly.by Bobby1 5/25/2011 2:51:22 PM- www.eredux.com check this outby dean 5/25/2011 2:51:23 PM
- Oh hi, CNN! Care to join the party, now? "Holes feared in two Japan nuclear reactors"
www.cnn.comby Panserbjorne9 5/25/2011 2:51:46 PM - yeh Bobby.. and .. I'd like to see energy go non-profit...by dean 5/25/2011 2:51:57 PM
@Nancy - as of 2010: Total U.S. Primary Energy Consumption
The total U.S. primary energy consumption for 2010 is projected to be about 96.6 Quadrillion Btu. The percentage of energy consumption per sector is as follows:
Residential: 23%
Transportation: 28%
Commercial: 19%
Industrial: 30%by Lethbridgean 5/25/2011 2:53:28 PM- by Lethbridgean 5/25/2011 2:53:46 PM
- Mr. Hasegawa has been a leader of the cattle farmers in Iidate, Fukushima, and his cattle was taken away this morning, reports a photojournalist Takashi Morizumi.
The cow was taken from the village Iidate Hasegawa. Follow the link; the picture of him is heartbreaking, though.
japannukecrisis.wordpress.comby Panserbjorne9 5/25/2011 2:54:16 PM - if interested look at that link which looks at the USA in total by state and lets you look at all the power sources with some write up on each then gets into solar and windby dean 5/25/2011 3:00:41 PM
- @Lethbridgean did that include petroleum use for energy? There are charts that take all energy into the numbers, this is just electricity:by Nancy 5/25/2011 3:00:50 PM
- Industrial users (agriculture, mining, manufacturing, and construction) consume about 37% of the total 15 TW. Personal and commercial transportation consumes 20%; residential heating, lighting, and appliances use 11%; and commercial uses (lighting, heating and cooling of commercial buildings, and provision of water and sewer services) amount to 5% of the total.[55]
The other 27% of the world's energy is lost in energy transmission and generation. In 2005, global electricity consumption averaged 2 TW. The energy rate used to generate 2 TW of electricity is approximately 5 TW, as the efficiency of a typical existing power plant is around 38%.[56] The new generation of gas-fired plants reaches a substantially higher efficiency of 55%. Coal is the most common fuel for the world's electricity plants.[57]
Total world energy use per sector was in 2008 industry 28%, transport 27% and residential and service 36%. Division was about the same in the year 2000.[54]by Nancy 5/25/2011 3:00:51 PM - @Nancy - since Nuclear Power has nothing to do with petroleum I didn't figure that it had much relevance to shutting down Nuclear Power plants. And If you read the link it breaks down consumption according to fuel source.?????by Lethbridgean 5/25/2011 3:05:10 PM
sums it up
by dean 5/25/2011 3:05:24 PM- leth.. interesting breakdown is.. if there were no petroleum nuclear would be running..by dean 5/25/2011 3:07:58 PM
- would "not" be runningby dean 5/25/2011 3:08:09 PM
- nuclear depends on petroleum for all the products they need for one plant to operate.. it all spins off to support vendors etc.by dean 5/25/2011 3:08:57 PM
- the pie chart needs to break down nuclear into .. what consumables does nuclear need..by dean 5/25/2011 3:09:29 PM
- @Leth, I meant studies that lumped in direct heating via petroleum. Some of the studies I looked at included that with electricity production/consumption.by Nancy 5/25/2011 3:10:15 PM
- the biggest gains to be made in residential energy consumption are, #1-space heating, #2 - water heating, #3 - lighting, and a close #4 space cooling.... if we could reduce needs by 1/2 consumption would have greatest gainby dean 5/25/2011 3:13:47 PM
- More greenhouse gases from nuclear than some forms of fossil fuel... "If one takes into consideration the mining of resources, the transportation, the building and maintaining of nuclear power plants, the distribution of the electricity and the necessary additional production of heat, then nuclear power does often look worse for climate protection than other forms of energy production. A modern gas-fired power station in connection with heat production [co-generation] can be more favourable for the climate." www.choosenuclearfree.netby Bobby1 5/25/2011 3:17:28 PM
this says that #1 was damaged by the earthquake and the cooling story is just a cover
translate.google.com
The graph of temperature data recorded containment can be seen that he had a momentary spike in temperature and pressure of the Unit 1 containment after March 11 earthquake. The temperature rise immediately after the Unit 1, the system starts to cool the pressure vessel and containment vessel, a lot of water was poured inside the containment.by elainekirk 5/25/2011 3:19:44 PM- There was a world before Nuclear power plants....Yes. They were Coal, Oil and Hydro...This was before the widespread use of Natural Gas which the US has so much supply that you don't know what to do with it....Without petroleum, electrical power lines in your house would not have insulation. Sure there are other insulators but polymers derived from Carbon are what made it econamically feasible for the masses to obtain. The question if what would happen without NPP's? Not the other way around.by Lethbridgean 5/25/2011 3:19:54 PM
- books.google.com interesting read.. from about the 1977's.. on nuclear power.. I remember back when proponents of nuclear could not fathom survival in the year 2000 with out it ..by dean 5/25/2011 3:23:56 PM
- hi @ elaine.. I had the kettle on .. welcome... oh by the way.. I'm sticking to my report data he heby dean 5/25/2011 3:25:23 PM
- 1977 quote... "nuclear power will expand. The need for it seems to transcend the fears. It is forced upon us by economic and political influences which are partly not clear, but in any case stronger than those of the critics. Debates and votes will not stop it's advance. Let us hope, however, that the critics will gather enough strength so that the interests of the people and the environment are considered to a reasonable degree with out emotional exaggeration. It is obvious that at the same time more attention must be given to other energy sources. All of them will eventually find a proper place side by side in the worlds economic needs"by dean 5/25/2011 3:31:05 PM
- @all, check this out. A test run of the gauges visualization for the website. Rob made the code to pull the info out of the spreadsheet RadioGuy put together. Have a few minor details to work on but we got one to work! houseoffoust.com
by Nancy edited by elainekirk 5/25/2011 3:31:29 PM - @dean here is another tepco that hasnt been published in the English version it concerns worker exposure
www.tepco.co.jp
and here is a translation not brilliant you may get better translating yourself
docs.google.comby elainekirk 5/25/2011 3:32:43 PM - @Nancy that is cool!!by elainekirk 5/25/2011 3:33:53 PM
@Rob in SF Nice... I just came back in. Tag-team gauges. :)by radioguy 5/25/2011 3:34:19 PM- elaine.. I know what sushi is and that's about my stretch on japanese,,, you other pro's are better at the translators..
Lets just say others I am in your boat google is my limitby dean edited by elainekirk 5/25/2011 3:35:21 PM - fine gauge nancy.. .by dean 5/25/2011 3:36:11 PM
- elaine.. for some time the literal translations made sense at I think the Japanese language is somewhat different in how it says things.. now that translation seemed to me to be written by I can imagine an english person who was hired and asked to write this in english for them to understand... nice find... I keep just thinking .. TEPCO. you are now a not for profit company.. now redo your business plan..by dean 5/25/2011 3:39:51 PM
- a little joke based on pollution control agency.... imagine.. an indian and a cowboy on a mountain looking far off to another mountain were 4 little smoke signals are coming up .. .the scene.. indian with hand up on forehead.. caption.. 'HE SAYS THE POLLUTION CONTROL AGENCY IS LIMITING HIS CALLS TO THREE MINUTES"..by dean 5/25/2011 3:41:25 PM
- @dean roflmaoby elainekirk 5/25/2011 3:42:12 PM
- @ Nancy- that link to the guage simulation just gave me a "Request timed out" both times I opened it. Please explain.by Lethbridgean 5/25/2011 3:43:48 PM
- @radioguy Can you unlock the headers on the "live" spreadsheet. I can run them through Google and get the description of the gauge just can't get them updated. I still need to figure out where in the code to tell it what cell to look for and find out from Rob what tool he used to spit out the final HTMLby Nancy 5/25/2011 3:44:19 PM
- @Lethbridgean It churns a bit before it displays the gauge. Sounds like yours wasn't going all the way through?by Nancy 5/25/2011 3:46:09 PM
- @Nancy Yes. I'll give you editor status on it.by radioguy 5/25/2011 3:49:16 PM
- time for me to go to work.. out to the nuclear world... will return later.. PEACE to allby dean 5/25/2011 3:49:28 PM
- @radioguy The other thing we will have to sort out is the range for the color codes. I would need to determine what the normal operating temp range is for each gauge. I can put in some guess figures to get things working, they are just numbers in the code that can be changed later. Also, is that spreadsheet live updating?by Nancy 5/25/2011 3:50:57 PM
- @Nancy I didn't pull them in, but if you look on the TEPCO data page, there's "Previous Readings" link that gives you everything before March 11.by radioguy 5/25/2011 3:52:31 PM
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