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  • Yes, Japan has long claimed to need nuclear more than many nations. Wind, solar, geothermal and tidal apparently can't meet the demands yet, and they have little in the way of domestic carbon energy resources, IIRC.
    by Rob in SF 5/25/2011 9:56:36 AM

  • TEPCO: reactor damage includes holes

    The operator of the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant says data analyses suggest damage to its reactors may have caused cracks and openings in the reactor containment vessels equivalent to a 10-centimeter hole.

    Reactors 1 through 3 at the plant suffered nuclear fuel meltdowns after the March 11th earthquake and tsunami. This is likely to have created holes and cracks at the bottom of the pressure vessels protecting the reactor cores and damaged the containment vessels.

    Massive amounts of highly radioactive water also leaked from the structures.

    Tokyo Electric Power Company analyzed the changes in pressure levels inside the pressure and containment vessels to gauge the scope of the damage.

    TEPCO said the analyses show that holes in the Number 1 reactor containment vessel amounting to 3 centimeters in total may have formed 18 hours after the quake. It said that may have expanded to 7 centimeters at least 50 hours after the quake.

    The utility said holes and cracks equivalent to 10 centimeters in diameter may have formed in the Number 2 reactor's containment vessel about 21 hours after the quake. It said a similar amount of holes could have been created in the suppression pool chamber by an explosion heard coming from there on March 15th.

    TEPCO said these results were obtained through data calculations, and that it has yet to confirm whether such holes actually exist.

    Wednesday, May 25, 2011 12:56 +0900 (JST)
    www3.nhk.or.jp
    by Edano 5/25/2011 9:56:56 AM

  • @bo - so 'Fuku under control' and 'we need our aircon' will be the messages.
    by hudebnik 5/25/2011 9:57:06 AM

  • Hi @edano, didn't realise you were lurking so to speak
    by hudebnik 5/25/2011 9:57:45 AM

  • now, tepco is playing with centimeters - funny guys ! - i bet we can assume the entire bottom of the rpvs are gone.
    by Edano 5/25/2011 9:58:15 AM

  • With all the info now coming out you might like to look at the data here, www.houseoffoust.com especially the 'level pr data' ones. You can clearly tell when the water left the reactors and hence the meltdowns occurred.
    by hudebnik 5/25/2011 9:59:44 AM

  • @bo, right, people can say it's unique to Japan, as if anywhere on earth is immune from natural disasters. It's just the new face of fairyland nuke-think. I have some confidence that Japanese authorities will consider how small their nation is and that this will have a significant effect on their long-term plans for nuclear. If the winds had blown primarily inland, the exclusion zone could've been so much larger and affected far more people. If 3 power plants around Japan had melted down, the country could've been ruined. Can Japan afford to lose living space? I think not!
    by Ian 5/25/2011 9:59:44 AM

  • @hudebnik : hi, look how they want to fool us with 3 cm, 7 cm, 10 cm holes. it's the same game as before. they admit holes, the truth is there is no bottom anymore.
    by Edano 5/25/2011 9:59:46 AM

  • Hi @Edano. @hudebnik it is hard to say what the summer will bring. As we all know there are a lot of smoke and mirrors and shouts of "nothing to see behind that curtain" but just as time pulled the sheet down off of the meltdowns, the summer is likely to hold surprises.
    by bo 5/25/2011 10:00:23 AM

  • @Edano - yes, no bottom at all.
    by hudebnik 5/25/2011 10:01:11 AM

  • @Ian I agree. I think that the GOJ was believing their own spin, hey-maybe it's not SO bad. But now they are waking up with the hangover and they are beginning to realize that this self-inflicted wound is really going to devastate the place. I think they have suddenly discovered that the spent fuel problem is...wait for it...a problem.
    by bo 5/25/2011 10:01:56 AM

  • If you page down the tables in those docs there is data about water levels ever few minutes during the crises.
    by hudebnik 5/25/2011 10:02:06 AM

  • @bo - yes, and that almost of the radiation is still on the reactor site they have 4 times as much as Chernobyl to deal with somehow and eventually.
    by hudebnik 5/25/2011 10:03:17 AM

  • Tho I suspect that when proper monitoring and soil analysis is done (or revealed) the contamination outside Fuku will be much worse than has been admetted to date.
    by hudebnik 5/25/2011 10:04:24 AM

  • Sorry tryig to type on a netbook tho I think you'll get my drift
    by hudebnik 5/25/2011 10:05:18 AM

  • It seems to me that the unspoken secret of NPPs, that you get 40-60 years of production and 10,000 years of containment, and that you can only delude yourself that it is "economical" or "intelligent" for the period of those first 40-60 years. Which is where we are right now.
    by bo 5/25/2011 10:05:18 AM

  • @edano - I'm very impressed that Tepco have managed to measure the holes though, that must have taken some doing.
    by hudebnik 5/25/2011 10:06:22 AM

  • @hudebnik : alone the sea water contamination equals chernobyl's output. i do not understand how they still insist on "10%" of chernobyl, it' a lie.
    by Edano 5/25/2011 10:06:58 AM

  • @hudebnik I think they used a Oiji Board to get those measurements.
    by bo 5/25/2011 10:07:04 AM

  • @bo - and it is debatable whether the 40-60 years has a sound economic case, it only does if the storage/reprocessing costs are ignored. Factor those in and NPPs are uneconomic from the start if you don't need Pu any more/
    by hudebnik 5/25/2011 10:08:17 AM

  • @edano - that's some ouija board! Special Japanese model?
    by hudebnik 5/25/2011 10:08:53 AM

  • @hudebnik : if you read carefully, they do not say they measured the holes. it is a "calculation". and if you read morre carefully, they do not describe the current status, they speak about x hours after the explosion. which means today, 2 months after, it is much worse.
    by Edano 5/25/2011 10:09:23 AM

  • All the squares are marked with the character for 'yes'....
    by hudebnik 5/25/2011 10:09:33 AM

  • @edano - yes, noted. Something is driving this new 'openness'. What do they know/expect is going to happen next? The rads in #1 drywell are now astronomical...
    by hudebnik 5/25/2011 10:11:29 AM

  • Well I think that I have burned up my dime at this cafe, so time for me to mosey along. I'll check back in later in the day. But for now, it is time to explore this land that @Edano calls home. Mata.
    by bo 5/25/2011 10:11:40 AM

  • Sorry I meant 'faulty sensor'
    by hudebnik 5/25/2011 10:11:46 AM

  • @hudebnik : they sure know the corium is eating its way through the concrete.
    by Edano 5/25/2011 10:13:24 AM

  • I'm convinced that the information disclosures (mustn't keep saying releases) are to soften up public opinion in advance of the next big thing, whatever that turns out to be.
    by hudebnik 5/25/2011 10:13:36 AM

  • Cheers @bo, have a good day.
    by hudebnik 5/25/2011 10:13:52 AM

  • @hudebnik : i agree. they are preparing the next "revelation".
    by Edano 5/25/2011 10:14:37 AM

  • Corium hits water table is my guess
    by hudebnik 5/25/2011 10:15:49 AM

  • @elainekirk After one week with only DSK and IMF, Fukushima is coming back in Le Monde with "Fukushima: In the poisoned valleys
    Northwest of the nuclear plant damaged sites outside the evacuation zones and containment have been contaminated. Uninformed, their inhabitants are exposed to dangerous radiation. What our reporter was able to verify, Geiger counter in hand". I'll send the link when it will be a free access.
    by Olivier 5/25/2011 10:15:54 AM

  • poisoned ground water probably. and the truth will be: for the next 10 years minimum.
    by Edano 5/25/2011 10:17:19 AM

  • @olivier - Merci. That would fit exactly with what Greenpeace measured in the early days, before they became persona non grata
    by hudebnik 5/25/2011 10:17:43 AM

  • @deano - minimum 50
    by hudebnik 5/25/2011 10:18:12 AM

  • OK taking a break now chaps, may see you later.
    by hudebnik 5/25/2011 10:18:59 AM

  • they needed two months to "analyze" the data - what a joke. ridiculous.
    by Edano 5/25/2011 10:28:47 AM

  • if they have pu in groundwater, there will be many deaths.
    by Edano 5/25/2011 10:30:44 AM

  • Fukushima reactor cooling pipe may have been damaged by quake: TEPCO

    TOKYO, May 25, Kyodo

    Tokyo Electric Power Co. admitted Wednesday that critical cooling piping at the No. 3 reactor of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant may have been damaged in the March 11 earthquake.

    The plant operator, known as TEPCO, suggested earlier that no major damage was done to the reactor, such as ruptures in the facility's main steam piping, until the arrival of massive tsunamis after the magnitude 9.0 quake.

    But if the temblor had actually done damage to the critical piping, which is used to supply coolant water to a reactor core in emergencies to keep nuclear fuel from overheating, power suppliers across the country might be forced to reconsider quake resistance designs for their reactors.
    english.kyodonews.jp
    by Edano 5/25/2011 10:32:11 AM

  • @edano Hurrah you found an english language version it makes much more sense than my translate
    by elainekirk 5/25/2011 10:33:42 AM

  • they admit quake damage now on #3 (and #1).
    by Edano 5/25/2011 10:33:59 AM

  • i really wonder what else is to come to light.
    by Edano 5/25/2011 10:35:10 AM

  • this turns out to be more and more desastrous for the nuke industry. drop by drop.
    by Edano 5/25/2011 10:36:32 AM

  • tweet from LoLLopezz
    20mSv/Yというのは一年で各細胞核が20回放射線に当たる確率で、人間にそんな回復能力があるのだろうかと思える量ですね。あったらすごい。でもなかったら悲惨な結果を生む。ばかな官僚はこれがまとも
    20mSv / Y is the probability that the radiation hits the cell nucleus is 20 times each year, I wonder if the amount seems that humans have the ability to recover. There was great. Without even tragic consequences. This is a decent stupid bureaucracy
    by elainekirk 5/25/2011 10:37:07 AM

  • Ok so I stalked down my husbands cousins facebook page! lol! He is a Aussie living in Tokyo and they have been following this publication for rad levels...... metropolis.co.jp Not sure if we have this one..........
    by Angie edited by elainekirk 5/25/2011 10:39:14 AM

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