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  • I think we are seeing steam, the black tower keeps fading in and out, think the steam is from #2, and not #1.
    by deb 5/25/2011 5:25:37 AM

  • More radioactive water may leak from Fukushima plant

    Tokyo Electric Power Co. is fast running out of places to stash highly radioactive water from the stricken Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant and may soon be unable to prevent leaks into the ocean.

    About 744 tons of water a day was being pumped into the No. 1, No. 2 and No. 3 reactors as of May 22.

    Some of that is evaporating into the atmosphere, but most appears to be ending up in pools of radioactive water at the plant.

    TEPCO has been trying to contain that water by transferring it to storage areas around the site, but the containers for the No. 2 and No. 3 reactors are expected to reach full capacity in about four and three days, respectively.

    As the disaster response teams continue pumping water into the reactors to cool down the fuel rods, water will accumulate in the turbine buildings and trenches around the buildings, raising the risk of further radioactive leaks into the sea.

    A total of about 25,000 tons of highly radioactive water has been found in the turbine building and a trench at the No. 2 reactor. In early April, 500 tons (4,700 terabecquerels) leaked into the sea from a work pit near the reactor's water intake.

    Twenty-two thousand tons of radioactive water has also accumulated at the No. 3 reactor. A leak of 250 tons (20 terabecquerels) was discovered near its water intake on May 11.

    Ten thousand tons (0.15 terabecquerels) of relatively low-level radioactive water was also intentionally discharged into the sea and, by the morning of May 23, 8,676 tons had been transferred to a building within the disposal-and-treatment facility with a capacity of about 10,000 tons. That building is expected to reach full capacity by midnight on May 27.

    Water at the No. 3 reactor is being transferred to a different building at the disposal-and-treatment facility with a capacity of about 4,000 tons. By the morning of May 23, 2,660 tons of water had been transferred. Full capacity was expected to be reached in three days.

    The "megafloat," a huge floating structure that arrived at the nuclear plant May 21, has a capacity of about 10,000 tons, but can only store water with relatively low radioactivity levels.

    To avoid the continual accumulation of water, the team at Fukushima is trying to put in place a purification system that would allow them to clean water pumped into the reactors and reuse it. However, that facility is not expected to be completed until mid-June.

    Extra makeshift storage tanks for the radioactive water are expected to be installed in July at the earliest.
    by Veenie 5/25/2011 5:26:47 AM

  • NOTICE the vast difference in TONNAGE compared to Article below.
    by Veenie 5/25/2011 5:27:56 AM

  • TBS zooming like crazy...
    by bojack54 5/25/2011 6:19:40 AM

  • OK, I finally found a setup that works for the Googledocs spreadsheet of the reactor data. I added a new sheet at the beginning that grabs all the latest numbers from the TEPCO CSV data releases. This is for linking purposes, as all fields will always have the same locations, but I ran out of steam before I could label them all. If anyone wants to look at importing the numbers into gauges or whatever, the other sheets in the workbook have all the historical data for each reactor and the labels (partially in Japanese still) so you can compare to see what the fields are. This sheet is not meant to be pretty, just functional, but we may try to actually label it all so it means something. Here's the link: spreadsheets.google.com
    by radioguy 5/25/2011 6:51:21 AM

  • This is the ship passing very quickly, then within seconds live cam went offline. Just another day at Reactorville

    by deb 5/25/2011 7:12:49 AM

  • Hi to all. Here some new links from France. In Le Monde "Fukushima does not undermine the nuclear," the boss of EDF said. In 2020, EDF must be the first electrician world, capable of get the growth where it is, he says. "For organic growth, we are aiming 200 gigawatts (GW) of capacity: 50% nuclear, 25% in the thermal (gas, coal) and 25% in hydro and other renewables" Waouh! 100 GW in nuclear plants around the word! www.lemonde.fr A press release from ASN (french Nuclear Safetu Authority): japon.asn.fr A link from IRSN (french Institute for radioprotection and nuclear safety) about "Radiological management of territories contaminated as a result of the accident Fukushima": www.irsn.fr The pdf report: "Rating the 66th day of the projected external doses for people living in the area of Northwest fallout of the nuclear accident in Fukushima" in french with maps and comparison chart of accidents from Chernobyl and Fukushima in terms of deposits, rates, and populations affected and surfaces. In french: www.irsn.fr The last week link to Le Monde about "Shy transparency about the consequences of the accident in Fukushima" is now full access: in english with google translate translate.google.fr Have a nice day (very dry in France and probably a lot of problems to cool the reactors this summer...)
    by Olivier 5/25/2011 7:30:43 AM

  • Here's a report that Tepco attributes cesium at Unit 4 to the fuel pool of Unit 3, which is a concession that U3 SFP contents were ejected : www.youtube.com
    by Ian 5/25/2011 7:43:39 AM

  • In searching for research on containment integrity (especially of secondary containment) under dynamic loading of gas explosions, this is the most important paper I've found to date, with details on that failure parameters of containments in wide use. They know containments aren't infallible : "Containment Integrity Research at Sandia National Laboratories" (pdf) : info.publicintelligence.net
    by Ian 5/25/2011 7:58:29 AM

  • Has anyone found a listing of Mark I reactors worldwide? I've found the listing of Mark I's in the US alone, but plugging away on google can't find any others outside the US. But do find a statement in media reports that there are 32 Mark I's worldwide. Given 23 are in the US, that's 9 outside the US. I'm interested in finding any other Mark I secondary containments (solid concrete walls all the way to the roof) like Fukushima Units 3 and 4 had.
    by Ian 5/25/2011 8:05:38 AM

  • @Ian en.wikipedia.org sort by cont. ver.
    by Jocke_Jensen 5/25/2011 8:19:06 AM

  • Gutten morgan everyone! Unworkable internet in my hotel, so finally back briefly
    in a cafe.
    by bo 5/25/2011 8:47:49 AM

  • Hi Bo! How is the conference going?
    by Angie 5/25/2011 8:48:38 AM

  • Hi Angie, the one in Warsaw is done, and was fine. This one begins tomorrow. It is on Hiroshima and Auschwitz.
    by bo 5/25/2011 8:53:33 AM

  • @bo "It is on Hiroshima and Auschwitz." How festive...
    by Rob in SF 5/25/2011 8:54:26 AM

  • @bo 2 very difficult subjects!
    by Angie 5/25/2011 8:54:35 AM

  • Yes, very festive. I agree entirely Angie. They get grouped together by people who haven't studies either. Except for the large number of dead and the similar time period, they are completely opposite events and really can't be compared. But hey, they paid my plane ticket, so who am I to complain!
    by bo 5/25/2011 8:56:26 AM

  • What Price the Fukushima Meltdown? Comparing Chernobyl and Fukushima japanfocus.org
    by bo 5/25/2011 9:00:06 AM

  • Hi @bo and @all
    by hudebnik 5/25/2011 9:01:07 AM

  • I didn't know that the GOJ issues a statement comparing Fukushima to Chernobyl as Selden and Perry cite. Hey @hudebnik
    by bo 5/25/2011 9:01:31 AM

  • Good ol' RT: Japan should have made core meltdown public – Russian minister rt.com
    by bo 5/25/2011 9:04:24 AM

  • For me Fuku has been about an INES 9 since the explosions, the reactors had to have melted down.
    by hudebnik 5/25/2011 9:05:51 AM

  • @bo Sorry My dad rang.....he is doing the family tree! lol! Well if your plane ticket was paid that is fantastic.......Yes I really do not see how they go together.......Except they were done in war times....@Hudebnik Hello!
    by Angie 5/25/2011 9:05:53 AM

  • Hi @angie
    by hudebnik 5/25/2011 9:06:14 AM

  • Chunks of nuclear fuel appear to have entered drywell, causing damage: AP — Related to recent 192 Sievert/hour measurement in Reactor No. 1? enenews.com
    by bo 5/25/2011 9:06:34 AM

  • I read the GoJ 'comparison' as 'it's not as bad as because' rather than 'they are similar'
    by hudebnik 5/25/2011 9:07:19 AM

  • @hudebnik I agree, but it seems like they also try to lowball Chernobyl so that when they say Fukushima is lower it helps them. Also, remember, they issued this at a time when they themselves knew that three reactors had melted.
    by bo 5/25/2011 9:08:32 AM

  • I know in one of the reports they had kept saying it was only 10% of the radiation that Chernobyl released.....wonder if that has changed yet?
    by Angie 5/25/2011 9:08:44 AM

  • @Angie radiation released into the sea doesn't count!
    by bo 5/25/2011 9:09:41 AM

  • @bo lol So I keep reading!
    by Angie 5/25/2011 9:10:15 AM

  • From Time magazine: Fortunately, it appears for now we have dodged that bullet, and the not-great-but-not-apocalyptic news du jour is that the meltdowns at Nos. 2 and 3 are not as bad as what occurred at No. 1. [...]
    by bo 5/25/2011 9:10:21 AM

  • @bo - drywell rads overnight 24/25th May are up to 215Sv/hr (yes SV) and never below 200Sv/hr www.tepco.co.jp
    by hudebnik 5/25/2011 9:11:00 AM

  • @Angie its like when Marge asks grown up Lisa if she is still a virgin before her wedding and she says, "Well, there was Milhouse." And Marge (playing TEPCO) says, "Milhouse doen't count."
    by bo 5/25/2011 9:11:25 AM

  • @bo - I wish I believed that but in time I think they will be as bad if slightly different
    by hudebnik 5/25/2011 9:11:48 AM

  • @bo *sigh* Humans will never learn! We make mistakes and then just down play them.......we are a stupid race at times! roflmao your last post!
    by Angie 5/25/2011 9:12:18 AM

  • @hudebnik so would you say that corium is exiting containment? Plus, I agree with your statement that they will likely turn out to be. It is just amazing to here Time call three meltdowns news du jour
    by bo 5/25/2011 9:12:39 AM

  • @@bo - that is certainly something I didn't expect. It now means that NO multiple reactor site anywhere can be considered safe.
    by hudebnik 5/25/2011 9:13:37 AM

  • Was the other meltdowns at other plants down played like this? TMI and Chernobyl?
    by Angie 5/25/2011 9:14:11 AM

  • Especially if the reactors are Mk1 BWRs - I think there is a very strong case for closing them all down immediately - worldwide
    by hudebnik 5/25/2011 9:14:25 AM

  • @Angie they have always been downplayed as the events unfold.
    by bo 5/25/2011 9:15:16 AM

  • @bo - we can't tell for certain if the corium is still in the containments, my feeling is that it probably is, as at TMI. Whether it stays there will depend on the concrete and whether the water being poured in is providing enough cooling (for the next 25+ years
    by hudebnik 5/25/2011 9:16:19 AM

  • @bo Thanks! I was too young for the others.............. I wasnt sure how they were covered.
    by Angie 5/25/2011 9:16:30 AM

  • The reason Chernobyl became public (the russians didn't reveal it) was because the radiation plume (very high rads) was detected over Scandinavia about 3 days after the bang, and from the Cs etc in it and the concentrations they knew it had to be a serious nuclear accident.
    by hudebnik 5/25/2011 9:19:13 AM

  • @hudebnik WOW! So it seems we still havent learnt anything!
    by Angie 5/25/2011 9:20:31 AM

  • TMI became public quite fast because the operators had to recommend evacuations after they knew they had lost it and the US media ran with it, as you would
    by hudebnik 5/25/2011 9:20:48 AM

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