Japan Earthquake

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i think we have to adapt to japanese thinking and read between the lines. when tepco reports radiation in groundwater (on april 2), it means that they are aware of the fact that corium has melted down. they only mention the facts in a side sentence, but they will not tell the full meaning. 2 months later they reveal more, but still stay vague, by saying "may", or "could be". we have to learn to read the signs. i am sure next week they will admit, that "corium may have settled in the groundwater reservoir" on beginning of april.
by Edano 5/25/2011 6:21:52 PM

@all bblater
by fitter 5/25/2011 6:22:37 PM

@MarkFM, thanks for the stat post, been waiting on them. Per stats, looks like #1, the corium is sitting in the SC, which the pressure just went to level outside air pressure, have to watch the DW readings now. Pressure is still high in the RPV (and climbing), not sure ALL the rods have melted there as they had stated.
#3 looks like the corium is in the DW, which just went to outside air pressure, start looking at the groundwater readings on that one ?
by wtm 5/25/2011 6:22:45 PM

@Fitter, TY bye !
by wtm 5/25/2011 6:23:03 PM

tepco stating that they need to months to "analyze" the data, is ridiculous. they always knew it, they said it (in their way), but the world does not understand their language.
by Edano 5/25/2011 6:24:58 PM

@Edano, not sure TEPCO understands their language ??? LOL
by wtm 5/25/2011 6:25:45 PM

@fitter if your still here, yes you can save to a thumb drive. Might be an easy solution.
by Nancy 5/25/2011 6:27:43 PM

@fitter Groundwater can be a relative term, all i
by RBeaner 5/25/2011 6:30:41 PM

@Nancy, ran into the same problem yesterday, started to get popups while looking here, stating that it couldn't store stuff, checked and found that my hard drive was completely max'ed out. Had to start deleting stuff !! Amazing all the not important stuff you save on your computer.
by wtm 5/25/2011 6:31:27 PM

I'm saying is, it's anissue, that should be follo0wed\
by RBeaner 5/25/2011 6:32:05 PM

@Nancy, what ever happened to Jo, or JoJo ?? he made that chart that tracked all the stats on the reactors. He just disappeared ?
by wtm 5/25/2011 6:33:30 PM

@wtm I have pages and pages of web addresses for things found just on things here. That reminds me I need to buy and external HD when I hit town again. :-)
by Nancy 5/25/2011 6:34:16 PM

@wtm He went on vacation and nobody has seen him since. I don't know his email address or if anyone on the group was conversing with him that has a way to contact him.
by Nancy 5/25/2011 6:35:01 PM

@RBeaner, somewhere there was some pics and a story (couldn't locate it where they said it was) that showed water seepage out from the cliff below the plant into the ocean. That would indicate that the groundwater aquifer has gotten leakage from the reactors. I guess it is better to drain into the ocean rather than into the drinking aquifer towards the mainland ?
by wtm 5/25/2011 6:36:50 PM

24 May 6:00 vs. 25 May 6:00. #1 RPV pressure still trending up slowly, RPV temps pretty stable at 115/97C, DW and SC temps/pressures stable, SC B CAMS all the way up to 204 Sv/hr. #2 pressures and temps stable (RPV over 100C), SC B CAMS all the way down to 19.6 Sv/hr (about time for a new surge to over 100 Sv/hr, IMO). #3 temps up a bit, RPV at 110/107C, DW RPV bellows up 11 to 140C, CAMS stable/slow decrease.
by Markfm 5/25/2011 6:36:52 PM

@Nancy, see if your cpu will do a SATA (serial hard drive), the older format PATA ( are hard to find now) Also Seagate has had BIG problems with their drives crashing, stay away from them. Get a Western Digital drive if you can. Now have into the 1TB range pretty cheap !
by wtm 5/25/2011 6:39:18 PM

Net, 1 is showing radioactive hot, 2 is best behaved right now (until the next rad spike), 3 getting temp hot again. I'd personally like to know what is driving
those high DW RPV Bellows readings on 3.
by Markfm 5/25/2011 6:39:52 PM

@MarkFM, glad somebody is tracking those, TY !
by wtm 5/25/2011 6:40:20 PM

Personal curiosity, wonder how things are going.
by Markfm 5/25/2011 6:40:54 PM

@MarkFm, the corium is leaving the building !!!
by wtm 5/25/2011 6:41:04 PM

@wtm noticed a post regarding hard drive thats what mine was doing... is it a virus or just i have to much crap on it
by fitter 5/25/2011 6:41:07 PM

@Fitter, do you know what type drive you have and who made it ?
by wtm 5/25/2011 6:41:42 PM

@wtm its a hp mimi the one doing it..were do i look for the info
by fitter 5/25/2011 6:42:44 PM

Let me ask you this, Since NO ONE trust's TEPCO and since GoJ has always backed them..
Would you trust anything at all that is being said ?

One tough job: selling Fukushima
Travel industry on the ropes, faces long hard path to recovery
search.japantimes.co.jp
by Veenie 5/25/2011 6:42:59 PM

@wtm I had a Seagate crash on me, and I hadn't backed up my system properly, so I lost data on the project I was working on. It was less than a year old.
by Bobby1 5/25/2011 6:43:12 PM

@wtm @Nancy Jo and JoJo were separate entities. Jo (Jocelyn Meyer aka Jo L'Indien ) went on vacation and has not been heard from since, and it was JoJo who was updating the reactor charts until disappearing around the time of the last update.
by es 5/25/2011 6:43:29 PM

@wtm at lunch, but if you see dean will you ask him "how they handle the thermal expansion on a reator" think about it ??? steel at ambient temp (during outage/manufacture) is going to be one demention.... if you increase the temp.. the steel has to expand???
by fitter 5/25/2011 6:45:31 PM

@All, Seagate has had a drive problem on ALL it's 7200.11 drives the last 3 years. They will crash unexpectedly, and start doing write/read errors when they get hot. They do not seem to want to fix the problem. I went through 5 drives of theirs before I found the posted info on the problem. There is a class action suit in the making against the company. Instead of fixing the problem, Seagate decided to buy out drive maker Hitachi instead. Best stable drives on the market right now are the Western Digital drives.
by wtm 5/25/2011 6:45:50 PM

@wtm @wtm did you see my post on ake dean please?
by fitter 5/25/2011 6:47:01 PM

@fitter, Yes !
by wtm 5/25/2011 6:47:19 PM

NHK items carried in today's JAIF Earthquake Report: (Fukushima NPP site) ●Radioactive water transfer halted at Fukushima ●TEPCO: reactor damage includes holes ●High levels of cesium detected above No.1 reactor ●No.1 reactor vessel damaged 18 hrs after quake ●NISA wants measures to stop seawater contamination ●Meltdowns also at No.2 and No.3 reactors (Other News) ●IAEA team briefed on Fukushima Daiichi accident ●Kan arrives in Paris for G8 summit ●IAEA to compile Fukushima accident report ●Cattle moved out of evacuation area ●Govt concerned over nuke crisis impact on economy
by Markfm 5/25/2011 6:48:04 PM

@fitter, If I am not here when he returns, hopefully somebody will pop him your question. TY
by wtm 5/25/2011 6:48:06 PM

@wtm support question maid me wonder??? pipes have to grow/move inconjunction with vessel
by fitter 5/25/2011 6:51:33 PM

@fitter, check on your CPU, "Start", "Settings","Control panel", Administrative tools", "Computer Management","Disk Management", that will then show you what your Hard Drive looks like and how much space is used and unused. Make sure you have at least 10% unused. If not, better started looking to replace it with a bigger one.
by wtm 5/25/2011 6:52:01 PM

@wtm it said i had zero.. and froze up the other day... then i did something that i don't know but lost my favorites from all these pages
by fitter 5/25/2011 6:53:28 PM

The NHK articles cover a lot of ground. "damage to its reactors may have caused holes inside them of up to 10 centimeters across." "TEPCO detected 360 becquerels of cesium-134 per cubic meter above the No.1 reactor, where most of the fuel rods are believed to have melted. The amount is 18 times the allowable limit for the plant's perimeter. The firm also discovered 7.5 times the limit of cesium-134 above the No.4 reactor, which has no fuel in its core. The substance is believed to have come from the fuel storage pool and the neighboring No.3 reactor." "the containment vessel of the No.1 reactor may have been damaged about 18 hours after the March 11th earthquake"
by Markfm 5/25/2011 6:53:39 PM

@fitter That is a really good question. I remember the hubby talking about one of the spy planes the AF used that purposely had loose panels on it so when it got hot due to speed, air etc it would seal back up? So how do you deal with heat expansion in a BWR without things either leaking or breaking with fluctuations?
by Nancy 5/25/2011 6:53:50 PM

@fitter, that's what got me to thinking if there is anything in the support structure to stop the RPV from swaying back and forth during a quake ??? I didn't see anything on the pics that I have seen ? Looks like it is just sitting there on the CV, with it's weight expected to hold things intact ?
by wtm 5/25/2011 6:54:01 PM

That was the SR-71, it leaked like a sieve until airborne.
by Markfm edited by Markfm 5/25/2011 6:54:23 PM

@fitter, looks like it is time to get a bigger hard drive ??? What area are you in ?
by wtm 5/25/2011 6:55:56 PM

@wtm I found some mentions of shock absorbers on the stand the RPV sits in. They were vertical and didn't seem to really be capable of any major lateralc dampening. I have not found anything outlining lateral framework to hold the RPV or if the metal reactor well was more than superficial connection between the RPV and the outer containment.
by Nancy edited by elainekirk 5/25/2011 6:56:09 PM