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@LM@ELaine, The people working with Hachiko Coalition are borderline crazy. They have been in the exclusion zone feeding and picking up animals for almost a month now. I am hoping they are fully suited when they go in. I was a bit shocked to see one of them post they went to the plant and picked up the dogs.
I know there was a group of veterinarians with some nuclear experience who went to Japan and briefed the vet association there on how to handle things related to all the radiation and animals so there has been some help. I worked as a vet tech in my much younger days and we had absolutely zero training related to radiation/chemical/biohazard disasters. I don't think any of the vets I worked with did either. Anything beyond disease outbreaks is just not taught.by lillymunster 6/5/2011 9:59:27 PM
They're going to need a few thousand more of these...
gallery.me.comby Rob in SF via Gallery.me 6/5/2011 10:02:49 PM
@Nancy Frankly..I'm not surprised given how much the world is downplaying the effects of radioactivity. Even when I worked in the lab there was a general malaise about it's use because it was part of the job..frankly, it was one of the reasons I left. I knew the dangers and chose not to overlook them. Even with protections there are risks and that should say something!by LM 6/5/2011 10:04:35 PM
Hi all. Just logging on - any significant events?by UKVal 6/5/2011 10:05:13 PM
@nancy I am speechless @ukval where to start ..by elainekirk 6/5/2011 10:06:06 PM
Gov't to OK incinerating, burying radioactive rubble in Fukushima
TOKYO, June 5, Kyodo
incinerate ? are they stupid ???by Edano 6/5/2011 10:07:06 PM- @Edano isn't incineration defeating the entire purpose? Maybe they mean some sort of scrubbed rad disposal plant processing?by lillymunster 6/5/2011 10:08:22 PM
Hello Everyone,by Christine - Minneapolis 6/5/2011 10:08:52 PM- Anyone know what happened to the TBS webcam? Thanks.by Christine - Minneapolis 6/5/2011 10:09:05 PM
- @lillymunster : there is only this one sentence.by Edano 6/5/2011 10:09:16 PM
- @lillymunster @Nancy
"The explosion happened on all floors of the building and there appeared to be more damage in the seaside corner closest to 3. All of the lower panels blew out. The ground floor attached garage blew out. Then there is the work deck destruction. Something in it all does not make sense."
Did you see this? Perhaps you had already gone? Any comment?
@Nancy @ All
A theory.
If you look at the report below, the (downwards) explosion in R2 caused the damage in R4, and probably further damaged R3, which had already blown by that time. The three reactors (R2, R3, R4) were likely connected underground, perhaps also by passages for humans. Not just sharing pipes. It is probably as much of a mess below ground as is visible above ground.
The force of the explosion coming up under R4 blew the bottom part of the building outwards and the top caved inwards.
Go to
www.gengikyo.jp
Download
Nuclear Power Stations' Response to the Off the Pacific Coast of Tohoku Earthquake
Scroll to page 4/27
March 15 (Tue)
06：10 An odd noise was heard from around suppression chamber at unit-2,
followed by a drop in the chamber's pressure, suggesting the
development of an abnormal event at the chamber.
06：14 Loud noise left holes in the walls at unit-4.
Smoke was rising from unit-3.
06：51 Confirmed conditions of 1F should be reported under Article 15 of the
Nuclear Emergency Preparedness Act. (around the station's main gate).
(Due to the radiation dose at the site's boundary exceeding the criteria
[500μSv/h])
06：56 The top of the reactor building of unit-4 appeared disfigured.
@jt I think you're right, but maybe it started in #3. The #2 and #4 explosions happened almost simultaneously, and the teppycam images indicate that something had happened in #3 also. The 6:00 AM image was just prior to the explosions. gyldengrisgaard.dk
by Bobby1 at 8:36 PMby jt 6/5/2011 10:11:05 PM - @elainekirk I hadn't even thought of it until this incident with the dogs at the plant and they mentioned taking them to an emergency vet clinic. One of the clinics I worked at operated as an acute care facility on the weekend. If something happened like a big nuke disaster in the US vet clinics would be at a loss on what to do until one of the teaching hospitals or a govt. agency provided some direction for managing patients and dealing with radiation contamination.by lillymunster 6/5/2011 10:11:17 PM
- @nancy no planning at all really is there ? look beneath the venneer of governments and all there is is woodworm dungby elainekirk 6/5/2011 10:15:09 PM
- well, i don't really see the problem with the animals. kill them or let them live.by Edano 6/5/2011 10:16:05 PM
- @jt No I had not seen that, must have been posted after I took off. I grabbed the site mentioned and willl go through timelines when I have some time tomorrow. This is the first I have heard of 4 having "some holes" at any time other than after the main fire/explosion.
I don't know about the theory of having the reactors connected at the basement level. Each was built at a different time but that doesn't preclude them from connecting them. I would assume that the lower levels would be isolated and not connected but from what we have seen logic did not prevail in how things were designed. I would have assumed as little connection as possible would be done to isolate disasters but well, look where we are. :-) Elaine found a mention of some sort of connecting walkway or emergency exit between 3-4 so who knows. It would be worth asking Ralph and Dean about when they show up. They might know more about plant design rules.by lillymunster 6/5/2011 10:17:33 PM - @Christine-Minneapolis. The weather has been bad for viewing, but here's the link..... www.youtube.comby LM 6/5/2011 10:18:18 PM
- @edano you have to add the human factor into the equation many will not walk away from an animal in needby elainekirk 6/5/2011 10:18:34 PM
- @elainekirk We knew how to handle contagious diseases and knew what to do if we had an outbreak to prevent spreading. Radiation, not even in theory.
I am still trawling for that pic I am determined to find itby lillymunster edited by elainekirk 6/5/2011 10:18:56 PM 
@Edano , they would have to build a special dust-proof plant for this process with vents and filters that scrub the radioactivity out. Such plants exist in the US to destroy highly toxic organic compounds at very high temps. There is one in Oak Ridge that caused a lot of anguish because people around got sick.by Peter Melzer 6/5/2011 10:20:13 PM- @lillymunster I think I recall seeing some of your floorplans with stairs going down from a low floor and the exit being towards another reactor. But I don't remember which ones. Will chase it too.by jt 6/5/2011 10:20:59 PM
- @Peter Melzer :) sounds like a good idea.by Edano 6/5/2011 10:21:55 PM
- @Edano Some people have an issue with animals left to suffer because they are starving, others because they feel there is a social obligation to animals we have domesticated. At a base level sick, dieing and contaminated animals are a public health issue especially if those problems move beyond the no mans land.
I look at it and see our dogs at home. We have Akitas and work with one of the rescue groups in the US so I probably see it as a bigger issue that others might. I know those dogs were someone's family dogs and they are probably worried and guilty feeling about leaving them.by lillymunster 6/5/2011 10:22:07 PM - @jt I have a link to an elevation drawing of the corner that blew out on 4. I will see if I can dig that back up. It might hold a clue.by lillymunster 6/5/2011 10:23:53 PM
- When's the radioactive-rubble bonfire scheduled? Gotta' get some megamarshmallows...by Rob in SF 6/5/2011 10:24:47 PM
To help with visualisations I came across these pics of a seawater strainer fron Fukushima Daini and thought they may help translate.google.com
by elainekirk 6/5/2011 10:26:24 PM
seawater strainer from fuku daini translate.google.com
by elainekirk 6/5/2011 10:27:00 PM- @lillymunster OK thanks.by jt 6/5/2011 10:28:02 PM
- @LM - thanks so much. I had a link before to the plant before, but now it links to their TV channel. I appreciate the reply and all of your postings.by Christine - Minneapolis 6/5/2011 10:33:02 PM
- @Christine You are most welcome!by LM 6/5/2011 10:33:40 PM
- @jt , as to the discussion about the blown out panels and the devastation to the lower part of the buildings, I think that was supposed to happen. The secondary containments are constructed as such that the force of a blowout from the bottom of the primary containment is funneled into that truck loading bay and blow out its panels in the hope that more radioactivity stays in the building that way. I am not kidding ya' : www.sumofallfears.comby Peter Melzer 6/5/2011 10:35:49 PM
- @Peter Melzer Thanks. That's interesting. So if any blast came from below, the bottom panels would go first?by jt 6/5/2011 10:40:10 PM
not recent 2006 Anybody know what this is? translate.google.com
by elainekirk 6/5/2011 10:44:59 PM- @jt , that is what I took home from that source. Even the idea is tossed up whether the bottom of the bulb should not be weakened to help the thrust discharge into the building's basement instead of blowing the cap off.by Peter Melzer 6/5/2011 10:52:32 PM
- @Peter Melzer That's even more interesting.by jt 6/5/2011 10:56:39 PM
- A bunch of workers with dehydration and heat stroke. They are thinking of maybe ordering some ice vests.... www3.nhk.or.jpby lillymunster 6/5/2011 10:59:04 PM
- @Nancy @LM posted the story of 2 workers being hospitalised due to heat exhaustion and tepco said they had advised them to wear gel vests although they hadnt provided them !!by elainekirk 6/5/2011 11:01:41 PM
lh3.googleusercontent.com
A real trip down memory lane who remembers this one ?by elainekirk via Lh3.googleusercontent 6/5/2011 11:02:23 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com
To show and tell, or not to show and tell. That was the question.
If you were the head of the GoJ on March 15th, would you reveal this image's information to a city of 25+million people ?
"All the government needed to do was to warm people in Tokyo and Kanto area that day to skip work and school. Shut the doors and windows and stay indoors.
When Hiroaki Koide of Kyoto University testified on May 23 in a government committee (Upper House, government oversight committee), the data he said he had been told by his superior not to publish was the data of radiation in Tokyo on March 15."
ex-skf.blogspot.comby Reed via 1.bp.blogspot 6/5/2011 11:07:41 PM
lh6.googleusercontent.com
You can see the problem with #4 sfp
1331 irradiated spent fuel rods including the ones removed for the maintenance work in Nov 2010
PLUS 204 unused unirradiated fuel rodsby elainekirk via Lh6.googleusercontent 6/5/2011 11:08:56 PM- @elainekirk Um why were unused rods in #4 sfp?by lillymunster 6/5/2011 11:10:40 PM
@All. On You Tube a man has captured many dual cam videos of the explosions. His works are under the name connectingdots1by Salu 6/5/2011 11:11:23 PM- @elainekirk I just saw that. Waiting to hear back from my contact in Japan.by lillymunster 6/5/2011 11:11:42 PM
- @nancy trips down memory lane but still no tunnel I will get to it it has to be somewhere kicking myself for clearing my maibox a couple of weeks back cos I think I sent you a copyby elainekirk 6/5/2011 11:15:38 PM
- Look at page 14 of this water issue PDF. It shows water flowing between 3-4. If water can move so could hydrogen. www.tepco.co.jpby lillymunster 6/5/2011 11:15:41 PM
- @elainekirk If you have any idea what it might have been with, approx date, email it was after etc. I might be able to dig it up. I have not deleted anything in my email
You wouldnrt have a chance your box must be bulging I will find itby lillymunster edited by elainekirk 6/5/2011 11:16:36 PM
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