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@Peter Melzer Yes, not only an astoundingly inventive director, he never chose fluff as his subject matter.
by radioguy 6/5/2011 4:28:52 PM

@radioguy , exactly that is the hope. That is, the radioactivity will be washed out of the reactor buildings and concentrated in the filters.
by Peter Melzer 6/5/2011 4:29:37 PM

The date on that article is 8 April 2011, and it is the Sunday Telegraph. Therefore how much is true, how much is story? In evidence that there may be something more recently told, a Kyodo headline says 'GSDF member recounts fearing for life in blast at Fukushima nuke plant', but it is subscription: english.kyodonews.jp
by jt 6/5/2011 4:31:09 PM

@LM More independent corroboration of what we've known from other sources for a while now. I keep wondering how long this can go on before deniability is off the table. Now THERE'S a worthy betting pool.
by radioguy 6/5/2011 4:34:53 PM

@jt , if they lost six soldiers, that would not pass unnoticed. I remember pics of the little trucks. They were painted blue. Perhaps, the explosion squashed a couple, but the boys luckily were not in them.
by Peter Melzer 6/5/2011 4:35:37 PM

Is the press so assured of their control of info that they don't have the usual liar's fear of getting caught, or are they all just such servile stenographers that they've forgotten how to report?
by radioguy 6/5/2011 4:38:32 PM

@Radioguy You bet.. Last night estacion posted an independent youtube geiger reading from 65km outside the plant...at its highest it was reading 97 microsieverts/hr or 850 millisieverts/year. This was taken at a rain gutter. The deniability is off the table!
by LM 6/5/2011 4:39:06 PM

@Radioguy The British press don't seem let themselves get distracted by the facts. Not being a native, I am continually amazed by it.
by jt 6/5/2011 4:40:58 PM

Moot question, I guess, but at some point, that old forgotten corpse of the truth up on the roof is going to start stinking too badly to hide it any more, Then what? Have they thought of what that will do to their already tattered credibility or are they all just caught up in the prevailing Lemming Suicide Squad Death Dash?
by radioguy 6/5/2011 4:41:35 PM

@jt That's the US press in spades, or whatever the trump is these days,
by radioguy 6/5/2011 4:44:21 PM

Diamonds would be my guess.
by radioguy 6/5/2011 4:44:56 PM

it seems they finally found the source of the EHEC epidemia in europe: soybean sprouts.
by Edano 6/5/2011 4:48:23 PM

Tepco last night let nhk release a story saying they hadnt done the vent modification that would possibly have prevented #1 exploding now in 3 weeks time when iaea flounce onto the world stage they will say how #1 may not have exploded if the containment had been large enough to have allowed vent modifications
Hey presto - tepco have been honest with the public :puke:
the iaea give a prearranged cop out for the story
stand by for many more stories set up like this including possibly the GSDF men killed in the #3 blast who tepco didnt notify because they were not tepco employees
by elainekirk 6/5/2011 4:48:54 PM

@radioguy It reminds me of the Ministry of Truth in Orwell's "1984"... "Its purpose is to rewrite history and change the facts to fit Party doctrine for propaganda effect." en.wikipedia.org So much for the "free press".
by Bobby1 6/5/2011 4:51:36 PM

@LM hello, just passing through.. if you are in the US you should watch the NRC meetings... but don't plan on a good nites sleep.... if you really listen to what is asked and not answered... it give insite as to how much change is really needed in the NPP industries.... it starts with the regulatory boards, as any Company only follows and actually depends on the "codes and requirements" they establish. The ones I have been watching for the last several months have been quite enlighting.... You will want to pay attention to the answers that are "shelved" until behind closed doors... (they have a term, but I forget at the moment. take care
by fitter 6/5/2011 4:59:02 PM

@Bobby1 Prophetic words. He was just, as we all were, 25 years off in his timing. It's a problem with prophesy, which would be pretty vague by its nature anyway: there's nothing in it to give you a sense of scale. A huge event a long way off and a big event around the corner would look just about the same.

But for content, you can open that book on virtually any page and start reading, and by the end of the page you will have read something that's so eerily prescient it will give you the creeps.
by radioguy 6/5/2011 5:05:24 PM

@fitter Thanks...I really should!
by LM 6/5/2011 5:07:15 PM

It's almost like someone took one look at it and thought . o O (Oh my God, someone has written us a manual!)

But that's what you can get from someone with clear, insightful long-range thinking abilities (unlike the majority in governance these days, both Gov and corporate.)
by radioguy 6/5/2011 5:09:32 PM

@radioguy Orwell wrote that book in a drafty old house in Scotland. He got TB and it soon killed him. Basically he poured all his energy into 1984... Aldous Huxley was also prophetic, he was writing about how self-sufficient communities should be fueled by renewable energy in 1946.
by Bobby1 6/5/2011 5:14:04 PM

Can anybody tell me what radiation levels are iin Sendai in non techi i.e. low/medium/high take precations/carry on / evac
by elainekirk 6/5/2011 5:37:34 PM

@Bobby1 And that's starting to look like about the only roadmap that works right now.
by radioguy 6/5/2011 5:44:40 PM

Just a reminder because I happened on it again. How is the hydrogen gas supposed to creep from unit3 to unit4? : cryptome.org
by Peter Melzer via Cryptome.org 6/5/2011 5:48:33 PM

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@elainekirk Here's a pretty recent graph.
by radioguy 6/5/2011 5:50:26 PM

@Peter Melzer supposedly across the shared vent pipes. I find it really odd if this happened that 4 didn't blow when 3 did. There have been questions about other ways the two buildings were connected. There is a shared hallway or emergency exit of some type between the two buildings and any joint buildings or equipment. The whole thing with 4 still doesn't quite make sense. I think 4 had some other factor we are not being told that made it such a destructive explosion.
by lillymunster 6/5/2011 5:51:27 PM

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oops
by radioguy 6/5/2011 5:51:29 PM

thankyou @radioguy
by elainekirk 6/5/2011 5:56:13 PM

@lillymunster ,that is why I posed this rhetorical question. Unit 3 (right) exploded days earlier. The pipe is ruptured near it. Moreover, the distance between the buildings is quite large. I can't see it happening through the joint vent piping as Tepco suggests.
by Peter Melzer 6/5/2011 5:57:20 PM

@Peter Melzer You know, every time I look at that picture of the top of 4, i just can't stop wondering what the hell happened there.
by radioguy 6/5/2011 6:01:58 PM

Major new entry @ ex-skf.blogspot.com about maps of the Unit-3 blast plume, it went right to Tokyo. That blog is absolutely outstanding in its coverage.
by Ian 6/5/2011 6:03:10 PM

@Ian Yes, it's "above the fold" in my bookmarks too.
by radioguy 6/5/2011 6:15:35 PM

Geoff Nixon, CTV.ca News

The Japanese public is growing increasingly skeptical over Tokyo's handling of the Fukushima nuclear crisis, with noisy rumours about unused dosimeters becoming one of the latest points of contention with the government.

The continuing crisis has put the government under immense pressure and could yet lead to the resignation of Prime Minister Naoto Kan.

The government is also facing hard questions from a distrustful public, including those stemming from recent allegations that Tokyo failed to put into service tens of thousands of dosimeters donated by Western countries in the wake of the nuclear crisis. edmonton.ctv.ca
by Majj 6/5/2011 6:17:57 PM

@Majj THat reminded me of another question. What ever happened to those special radiation suits that were donated? There was a Florida company that donated a bunch of them. All I have seen workers in are tyvek. I thought those suits were for high risk work yet the workers entering the buildings are not wearing them.
by lillymunster 6/5/2011 6:20:00 PM

The tepco design flaws blame for hydrogen explosion story again this must be something iaea concentrated on and must be meant to concentrate the attention of public from the rest of the mess
TEPCO eyes design flaw in hydrogen explosion www.asahi.com
by elainekirk 6/5/2011 6:24:08 PM

@radioguy , exactly! I do not know how reliable journalism at the Telegraph is, but a "boom from the suppression well" sounds suspicious, considering the reactor was supposed to be shut down.
by Peter Melzer 6/5/2011 6:25:22 PM

@Elaine, I found one diesel generator house with the exhaust on top, quite different from my hobby horses: i1214.photobucket.com
by Peter Melzer via I1214.photobucket 6/5/2011 6:26:44 PM

@lillymunster "evaporation"

by Majj 6/5/2011 6:26:48 PM

@majj there is another story here - translate.google.com
Fukushima reference dose accumulated over fear, some out of evacuation areas
by elainekirk 6/5/2011 6:28:24 PM

@peter back in 5 I will go do screenshots
by elainekirk 6/5/2011 6:29:13 PM

That pre-dawn explosion at Unit 4 is the only one about which we have no information. That picture, with the bashed and caved in side of the building, and that extra, curved piece lying next to it is the one image in here that we simply can't explain.
by radioguy 6/5/2011 6:31:52 PM

@Peter Melzer Just a theory because yes, obviously the pipe was blown off of #3 prior to #4's demise. BUT: Knowing what I do know about hydro/gaseous release systems, to see those two connected to the same stack tells me that there ABSOLUTELY must be a check valve of some kind to prevent cross-flow. That being said, the explosion from #3 MORE THAN LIKELY also blew through that exhaust pipe (as indicated by the severance at the bldg of #3) BUT ALSO PROBABLY DAMAGED said unconfirmed check valve, creating no path for any hydrogen gas from the running-out-of-water SFP in #4 to escape through. From then on, it was only a matter of time until #4's bldg accumulated enough hydrogen gas to explode on its own.

Purely intuitional and intellectual speculation only, I have no facts to back this up with.
by Dennis Tucker Jr 6/5/2011 6:37:59 PM

@lillymunster March 16 2011 Radiation suits from South Florida sent to help
Rescue workers will receive protective suits made of Demron, a unique material manufactured in a Medley factory. After nuclear reactors following the earthquake and tsunami in Japan were damaged, DeMeo directed his Hong Kong distributors to send suits in stock to Japan. They are expected to arrive this weekend.

www.miamiherald.com
by Tenzing 6/5/2011 6:38:57 PM

@peter I have put some screenshots on organise are they the right pipe?
by elainekirk 6/5/2011 6:43:16 PM

@Dennis Tucker Jr I have not looked up hydrogen in detail but I assumed it wasn't heavy as in it wouldn't drop down to the lower floors due to its own properties. The explosion happened on all floors of the building and there appeared to be more damage in the seaside corner closest to 3. All of the lower panels blew out. The ground floor attached garage blew out. Then there is the work deck destruction. Something in it all does not make sense. There is a thought that #4 may have had welding tanks and also a vat of solvent due to the work being done. Those two things could have made the explosion or fire worse but something about this just all doesn't add up.
by lillymunster 6/5/2011 6:44:36 PM