Japan Earthquake

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@Pedro Jesus goodnight and thanks
by bo 6/14/2011 4:19:55 AM

nite Pedro
by Bobby1 6/14/2011 4:22:49 AM

@Bobby1 "Well done!" on Beta Radiation study...must say Good Night!
by smoss 6/14/2011 4:22:51 AM

@Bobby, the travel of radiation is a concern to me. They said to expect Tsunami debris to be washing up on the oregon coast over the next year.
by Lurking 6/14/2011 4:24:40 AM

@wrshpr there has always been millennialism (to use another Eurocentric word!) and plenty of people have walked around like there is no tomorrow. The key difference is that their behavior was based in faith and beliefs rather than in physical dangers. Personally I can't imagine anyway the planet can support the current human population let alone having it double. And in the crunches ahead I am sure that class and other issues will spell out those who suffer most and least. I am hopeful that even though we have already created an unsustainable population of our species that whatever the sustainable number down the line is, it will be able to hold the wisdom and the better aspects of what we have become.
by bo 6/14/2011 4:24:46 AM

@smoss good night
by bo 6/14/2011 4:24:54 AM

does anyone know what happened to NILU?
by janellekay 6/14/2011 4:27:09 AM

@Lurking The radiation in the atmosphere has already contaminated Pacific fish to some degree, well in advance of the relatively slow-moving sea plume. But yeah the main event starts next year.
by Bobby1 6/14/2011 4:27:16 AM

I read an article in opednews today that suggested that NILU has redirected its atmospheric quality findings to a new website called Zardoz, do any of you think this is legitimate?
by janellekay 6/14/2011 4:27:21 AM

good nite all! :)
by janellekay 6/14/2011 4:27:23 AM

@janellekay good night
by bo 6/14/2011 4:28:25 AM

@janellekay I'm not sure that the atmospheric models had it right even before they shut down.
by Bobby1 6/14/2011 4:29:10 AM

The Fukushima city office in Fukushima Prefecture said Tuesday it will give dosimeters to all children attending preschools as well as elementary and junior high schools in the city amid growing concerns over exposure to radiation from the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant nearby.
According to the municipal office, it will hand out the gauges for three months from September to about 34,000 children as part of its efforts to ensure their health, while it will collect data once a month and examine the results in cooperation with medical institutions. It will also distribute the gauges to parents with children under three years old at the request of the parents www.japantoday.com
by Majj 6/14/2011 5:11:27 AM

@Majj during the Cold War, school children in many US cities were issued dog tags in their schools. The purpose was to identify them after a nuclear war, and the dog tags were "blast and heat" resistant so that their bodies could be identified if they were killed. These school kids are receiving the same message: we think you might die. Just horrible.
by bo 6/14/2011 5:14:09 AM

@bo :-((((((((((((((((((((((((
by Majj 6/14/2011 5:16:36 AM

as hard as I try , I never find a GOOD NEWS. I now the truth , but Is so difficult to accept....
by Majj 6/14/2011 5:19:45 AM

A quick question regarding air filtration systems in airliner cabins. If an aircraft is flying domestic routes around Japan what sort of contamination might they have flown through and what might the consequences be for cabin air filtration systems? I remember aircraft arriving from Japan being checked for radiation in a number of foreign countries. Also there have been various discussions on filtration systems for air and water, some I seem to recall on this board. Home water filter systems have been recommended, for example by the British embassy in Tokyo, but some people have expressed concern over such filters getting overwhelmed and dumping what they have filtered into the water. Anyway, I am wondering how issues of contamination and filtering might apply to aircraft, particularly domestic aircraft that have been flying in Japan over the last 3 months. I have read that while air is recirculated in cabins (50%?) this is combined with outside air too. Any thoughts anyone?
by Will 6/14/2011 6:51:19 AM

@Will I wish I knew this. I'd be interested in any informed reply as well!
by bo 6/14/2011 7:10:39 AM

@Will It appears the recirculated air is well filtered, but the outside incoming contribution is unfiltered. "About half of the air exiting the cabin is exhausted from the airplane through one or more outflow valves in the lower lobe, which also controls the cabin pressure. The other half is drawn by fans through High Efficiency Particulate Air (HEPA) filters under the cabin floor, and then is mixed with the outside air coming in from the engine compressors." www.boeing.com
by RBeaner 6/14/2011 7:15:16 AM

@RBeaner at least they are using HEPA filters. They should be using them on the air intake from outside as well.
by bo 6/14/2011 7:17:23 AM

@bo why, it's just outside air. They Should be routed around things like volcanic ash clouds, oil fires and nuclear disasters.
by RBeaner 6/14/2011 7:20:22 AM

@RBeaner yes yes, nothing to see here, move along. It's just outside air.
by bo 6/14/2011 7:23:30 AM

@RBeaner Thanks for the link. I hope they are maintaining those filters properly. Are they designed for radioactive particles too? As for the outside air, could they actually route domestic aircraft around the contamination from a nuclear disaster. I would have thought a significant bit of Japanese airspace would potentially be contaminated. As for volcanic ash, it shut down huge parts of European airspace last year.
by Will 6/14/2011 7:25:54 AM

Morning/evening @all
by hudebnik 6/14/2011 7:31:04 AM

Additional 23 workers exposed to high radiations
The health ministry says that another 23 workers at the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant may have been exposed internally to over 100 millisieverts of radiation.
The ministry on Tuesday told plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Company to immediately release the workers from duty.
The ministry said keeping the employees at the plant may push their exposure over the temporary-set limit of 250 millisieverts. The government relaxed the limit for plant workers from 100 millisieverts after the nuclear accident in March as an emergency measure.
The ministry also instructed TEPCO to have the 23 workers undergo medical exams.
TEPCO previously announced that 2 employees were exposed to over 600 millisieverts. On Monday, the firm said that 6 more workers were thought to have been exposed to up to about 500 millisieverts.
TEPCO is screening about 3,700 workers at the plant for exposure. The tests for about 600 have not been completed.
The ministry is urging the firm to finish the tests by June 20th and submit the results.
Tuesday, June 14, 2011 13:37 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp
by hudebnik 6/14/2011 7:31:49 AM

@hudebnik welcome
by bo 6/14/2011 7:33:20 AM

Hi @bo - note 'exposed internally'
by hudebnik 6/14/2011 7:34:04 AM

Nuclear plant safety standards rendered useless by quake.BY TOMOOKI YASUDA STAFF WRITER
2011/06/14
The government is being pressured to just throw out its safety standards for nuclear power plants and go back to the drawing board, in light of the March 11 Great East Japan Earthquake and tsunami that crippled the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant.
Therefore, openings of new plants that are currently under construction or in the planning stages are expected to be drastically delayed.
In mid-May, Nuclear Safety Commission chairman Haruki Madarame said that the government would review current safety standards that state that it is not necessary to consider situations in which all sources of electricity are lost at a plant.
"Honestly speaking, it was found at this time that the safety standards have defects. They are apparently wrong," he said.
www.asahi.com *** It is a long article, worth reading in full. Too long to post all of it.
by hudebnik 6/14/2011 7:38:44 AM

When I flew to Europe last month, notice the little jag the plane does to avoid Fukushima. Hope we had HEPA filters installed!
by bo 6/14/2011 7:52:17 AM

@bo: From AustralianCannonball post you've pinned:
"As you can see on 3 - 21 there is no reading, that is the day Kashiwa was hit with the fallout/radiation cloud, it was so high they didn't post it and the next day the sensors read as you see starting with the big 0.72. Now using Chernobyl as a model, when the air was 0.30 people were getting sick, when the air was 0.50 it was a ghost town."

It seems to me a little bit heavy. :)
by estacion 6/14/2011 8:14:57 AM

@all g'morning
by elainekirk 6/14/2011 8:19:20 AM

@estacion I have removed the pinned item until clarified :)
by elainekirk 6/14/2011 8:20:26 AM

@elainekirk good morning and thanks.
by bo 6/14/2011 8:20:51 AM

@bo @all I am now going to go put the kettle on and make toast :)
by elainekirk 6/14/2011 8:22:05 AM

G'morning elaine. I'm sure there is a mistake, 0.3 or 0.5 microSv are not good, but not to worry about. :)
by estacion 6/14/2011 8:24:21 AM

@majj @bo waiting until september is for what reason ? to hand dosimeters to children]=
by elainekirk 6/14/2011 8:31:16 AM

@estacion ty
by elainekirk 6/14/2011 8:33:46 AM

@bo According to the municipal office, it will hand out the gauges for three months from September to about 34,000 children as part of its efforts to ensure their health
by elainekirk 6/14/2011 8:39:10 AM

@elainekirk it could be that the Japanese schoolyear takes a big break from Aug to Oct. So maybe if they need to take three months to complete the program they may have to wait for school to begin again after Sept. It may take them that long to round up the dosimeters!
by bo 6/14/2011 8:39:51 AM

@bo Interesting photo from when you flew to Europe! Thanks. Hope I haven't started you worrying about HEPA filters!
by Will 6/14/2011 8:41:46 AM

For those who are interested:

In this morning's press conference with Yukio Edano, at the timecode of 8:40 - 10:00 minutes (approximately) there is question from NHK about the Italian decision on nuclear power. Germany and Switzerland, are also mentioned in a follow up question.

NOTE: this is a simultaneous English translation of what is actually being said at the press conference. It is not a voiceover or a summary written after the press conference especially for you. If you are not used to listening to simultaneous translation, you may find that you need to give it more attention, at least initially, to understand.

[I make this comment because yesterday there were complaints that people could not understand.]

nettv.gov-online.go.jp

2011/06/14

Press Conference by the Chief Cabinet Secretary (June 14th, 2011, at 9:46)
by jt 6/14/2011 8:42:45 AM

@Will I am planning to buy one for the house, was already obsessing!
by bo 6/14/2011 8:42:58 AM

@bo - special sticky mats would be a good start
by hudebnik 6/14/2011 8:44:48 AM

@bo I believe that many countries could source /manufacture dosimeters that were reliable and I even think that a shift of workers would do unpaid overtime to get dosimeters out to Japans children this goes beyond incompetence the parents are worried they should be given the tools they need to protect their children
by elainekirk 6/14/2011 8:45:03 AM