Japan Earthquake

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@Edano well they can't fool the water. And that will eventually come back to haunt them.
by bo 6/14/2011 10:57:53 AM

@bo i know. www.has.vcu.edu
by Edano 6/14/2011 10:58:57 AM

@Edano sad but oh so true
by bo 6/14/2011 11:00:04 AM

Just a thought but has anyone noticed how info has dried up since Japan submitted its report to the IAEA?
by elainekirk 6/14/2011 11:10:42 AM

morning all!
by lillymunster 6/14/2011 11:19:07 AM

Hi lilly
by bo 6/14/2011 11:19:40 AM

morning all
by dean 6/14/2011 11:33:14 AM

G'morning dean
by bo 6/14/2011 11:33:58 AM

@Edano Your earlier comment about "blame the worker" for eating, the attached article says that, but the video has spokesman saying "our instructions to the workers at the time may not have been timely or thourough enough". That is TEPCO taking probable blame with no "blame it on the worker". Just trying to ensure accurate critisism:):)
by RBeaner 6/14/2011 11:36:37 AM

@Edano and that second one certainly looks like the worler forgot "He realized only afterward that he had forgotten to put on a filter in his face mask". Although proper monitoring would normally involve a cursory look over by well trained personnel before the lower trained workers go into conatminated areas. So partial supervisory or management lapse as well as worker error.
by RBeaner 6/14/2011 11:39:35 AM

Radioactive material in sludge at 16 prefectures
NHK has learned that 16 prefectures in Japan have detected radioactive material in sludge since the crisis began at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant in March.

NHK has found through interviews that at least 22 of Japan's 47 prefectures have been testing sludge for radioactive material. 16 of them, ranging from Hokkaido to Osaka, have actually detected radioactive substances.

The level of radioactive cesium was highest in Fukushima city, at 447,000 becquerels per kilogram. This was followed by Tokyo at 55,000 becquerels and Maebashi, north of Tokyo, at 42,800 becquerels.

Rain-soaked soil containing radioactive substances has turned into contaminated sludge and is being stored at waste treatment plants.

Maebashi has designated area around its waste treatment plant a radiation danger zone, after radiation levels at 2 storage sites for incinerated sludge exceeded the government set-safety level.

Japan has had no safety guidelines for contaminated sludge, which is a new problem.

Last month, the government decided on an emergency measure to incinerate and store sludge that's been found to contain 100,000 becquerels or more of radioactive materials.

But the measure applies only within Fukushima Prefecture, prompting other prefectures and municipalities to demand that the government quickly set guidelines on how to handle contaminated sludge.

Tuesday, June 14, 2011 19:13 +0900 (JST)
www3.nhk.or.jp
by estacion 6/14/2011 11:39:53 AM

There are 1.359 workers who have been at Fukushima since March who have not yet been tested for radiation exposure www3.nhk.or.jp
by elainekirk 6/14/2011 11:40:22 AM

that's amazing elaine.. wow
by dean 6/14/2011 11:41:34 AM

@estacion @dean I don't find it amazing, they are willing nuclear workers. I find it amazing that we aren't hearing about monitoring of children who left the area late or are near evac zone. After Chernobyl, it was found thyroid dose was not a big deal for adults, but was huge for the kids. The kids should be the priority, but they appear to be non-existent.
by RBeaner 6/14/2011 11:45:47 AM

The NHK ticker is saying the government has ordered Tepco to release 23 workers from duty at the plant who have been exposed internally to over 100milliservients of radiation
www3.nhk.or.jp
Is it worth asking why Tepco didnt release these men from duty automatically???
by elainekirk 6/14/2011 11:47:55 AM

@estacion What I find also amazing is that any IDIOT would think that incineration of relatively high radioactive material is an appropriate method of waste consolidation. These people are stupid, get an empty building and store the stuff till you can properly dispose of it as radioactive waste. Idiots drive me nuts.
by RBeaner 6/14/2011 11:47:55 AM

@elainekirk If their combined internal and external dose is not yet 250mSv, then technically they can still receive more exposure.
by RBeaner 6/14/2011 11:49:02 AM

@rbeaner there is lots of talk about the health of the children not only from the evac zone , talk of the nose bleeds starting spontaneously, the sore throats... the talk is coming from the parents though who are being ignored by government and media
by elainekirk 6/14/2011 11:50:52 AM

@elainekirk are you hearing this through twitter?
by bo 6/14/2011 11:51:20 AM

@bo yes
by elainekirk 6/14/2011 11:52:10 AM

www.fas.org interesting read on some recent looks at earthquake/seismic design for USA reactors and seismic safety.. would be a good one for the webby @ elaine
by dean 6/14/2011 11:52:15 AM

@dean ty
by elainekirk 6/14/2011 11:53:18 AM

@elainekirk I'm not big on the anecdotal symptoms without any data backing them up, but the thyroid is a huge issue for the youngest, and requires fast intervention to prevent thyroid cancer. Of course, thyroid cancer is curable in 90-95% of cases, it just requires drugs (with side affects) for the rest of your life.
by RBeaner 6/14/2011 11:54:11 AM

@RBeaner, what I meant was one would expect that in a country, especially with the history of aftermath of the war, would not be establishing every means to monitor the workers each day and for the children.. I'm deeply saddened that a gov't would allow children back into the zones for any reason, as you know younger individuals who are still going through significant growth are the most vunerable..
by dean 6/14/2011 11:55:46 AM

My latest Fuku roundup, FWIW bojack.org
by bojack54 6/14/2011 11:55:47 AM

ty bojack..
by dean 6/14/2011 11:56:21 AM

@RBeaner:
"Japan has had no safety guidelines for contaminated sludge, which is a new problem"
You know... they are to going to do more that once for sure.
by estacion 6/14/2011 11:56:52 AM

Talked to a contact in Japan last night. The issue of workers maxing out or having internal doses is becoming a major issue. One worker was removing building rubble from 3 exploding without heavy equipment so they could get the watering truck up to the building. Sounds like they may start having problems with available workers.
by lillymunster 6/14/2011 11:57:43 AM

@estacion But you don't need a guidline for contaminated sludge. Why re-create the wheel. You just apply existing rad waste rules to it. The plants may, I said MAY, require some rocket scientists, but radioactive garbage does not.
by RBeaner 6/14/2011 11:59:16 AM

If I may, how does this radioactive sludge get created? Is it from waste? From groundwater seepage?
by bo 6/14/2011 12:01:13 PM

@rbeaner I am lost for words . I am going to go get some fresh air
by elainekirk 6/14/2011 12:03:50 PM

@bo fallout falls on ground and contaminated rainwater, picks up street garbage and dirt and debris, flows into sewer. It possibly mixes with restaraunt crap and human crap and gets filtered and treated microbially before the water gets released and the gunk (sludge) gets normally burned and recycled into cement.
by RBeaner 6/14/2011 12:04:11 PM

@elainekirk bye for a while, would like to talk with you later:)
by RBeaner 6/14/2011 12:04:47 PM

hurry back elaine.. he he
by dean 6/14/2011 12:05:03 PM

They have some ice vests finally, not enough for everyone. Electrical workers are getting preference to use them.
They think they will be out of workers by the end of the year due to dosages. They are doing short shifts on rotation to try to lower exposure.
by lillymunster 6/14/2011 12:06:49 PM

bo, sludge is created in the nuclear facility through some auxiliary sytems, the sludge is then shipped to an off site facility which processes it for other uses. Some weeks ago they identified that some of the sludge which was susposed to be low enough to process had contamination in it.
by dean 6/14/2011 12:06:53 PM

@dean All this crap does get overwhelmingly depressing.
by RBeaner 6/14/2011 12:06:56 PM

@RBeaner, true it does, I have had so many times of tearing for it all, at times I've wanted to just forget it and go to my woodworking or riding, but, I decided I am in it to see what I can do locally and abroad through my contacts or trying my best to inform and help research and add to the wealth of knowledge here... some times we need to hang in there for each other also
by dean 6/14/2011 12:08:50 PM

@lilly.. how long ago was it that we were finding all of the protective equipment that could be used.. like the vortec cooling vests etc..
by dean 6/14/2011 12:10:05 PM

@dean That's not the stuff they are talking about. They are talking about regular sewage treatment plants. Not origionating at nuke plants. I just don't know if they have separate sewage for rainwater runoff vs "dirty" like human crappers. In the US, the EPA requires complete system separation, although a bumber of cities still have combined sewage systems and they get overwhelmed periodically and raw sewage is released to rivers and oceans.
by RBeaner 6/14/2011 12:10:30 PM

@dean vortec vests are not even on the agenda. TEPCO's line is "we are ordering them". Sounds like they got some in but still have not enough for everyone. I will check to see if they know if more are coming. The occupational office inspection is what arm twisted TEPCO into admitting all the worker dosages and to get off their butts about getting ice vests and the safe buildings with water etc.
by lillymunster 6/14/2011 12:12:05 PM

@dean the sludge that is mentioned in the article are produced by city sewage water treatment
by estacion 6/14/2011 12:12:11 PM

@dean Carbnr was writing something up, but some kind of fugue or scribblesquable about "publishing" occured and I don't know if anything was actually produced.
by RBeaner 6/14/2011 12:12:32 PM

Sorry, by "some" I meant ice vests. Need more coffee. :-)
by lillymunster 6/14/2011 12:12:33 PM

@RBeaner She decided she wanted to publish in a journal or print newspaper and got ticked off nobody had a media contact to do it for her. I don't have those kinds of contacts. I don't think she understands how media works in that respect.
by lillymunster 6/14/2011 12:13:43 PM