Japan Earthquake

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@RBeaner I hadn't read that story, assumed it was just a repeat of the worker dosage stories going on. I linked to the blog related to the reporting of the steam event.
by lillymunster 6/14/2011 1:37:01 PM

@lillymunster Maybe I'm "mixing different issues on exposure". my bad
by RBeaner 6/14/2011 1:41:23 PM

They had a 5.9 10km depth off Fukushima 30 mins ago but no tsunami warning
by elainekirk 6/14/2011 1:41:43 PM

Children in Fukushima to get dosimeters www.globalpost.com
Ft. Calhoun NPP surrounded by water, flood height prediction raised by another 2 feet and water expected to be high for longer than some levees are built for. www.globalpost.com
by lillymunster 6/14/2011 1:45:18 PM

Yak, Ft. Calhoun story www.wowt.com
by lillymunster 6/14/2011 1:45:36 PM

It worries me giving children dosimeters this September for 3months
It doesnt make any kind of sense, why not asap? why only 3 months that will not give any legitimate data it will be autumn so children indoors more, it wont be in the growing season, there will be more winds dispersing airborne radiation and most important of all it will not show what children were exposed to in the first 6 months of the disaster nor their internal exposure
by elainekirk 6/14/2011 1:59:32 PM

QuakeAlert
DATE : 06/14/2011 15:06:55
REG. : off the east coast of Honshu, Japan
MAG. : 5.8
DEP. : 35.0 km
ID : 116910
quakes.globalincidentmap.com
by Edano edited by Edano 6/14/2011 2:01:10 PM

Morning all! Forgive me if this is redundant!.................Additional 23 workers exposed to high radiation
The health ministry says that another 23 workers at the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant may have been exposed internally to over 100 millisieverts of radiation.

The ministry on Tuesday told plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Company to immediately release the workers from duty.

The ministry said keeping the employees at the plant may push their exposure over the temporary-set limit of 250 millisieverts. The government relaxed the limit for plant workers from 100 millisieverts after the nuclear accident in March as an emergency measure.

The ministry also instructed TEPCO to have the 23 workers undergo medical exams. www3.nhk.or.jp
by LM 6/14/2011 2:04:25 PM

@Elaine I just read about the dosimeters...it's a human rights violation to subject these children not only to the incredibly high radiation levels but also the intense psychological stress. I can't imagine a child wearing a dosimeter 24 hrs a day wondering if they're going to be safe. It's terrifying!
by LM 6/14/2011 2:09:26 PM

@LM the international 'overseers' we all fund at great xpense are not even whispering, where is unicef? they have millions been donated to help but where is the help? and yes @LM it is a violation of their rights
by elainekirk 6/14/2011 2:15:29 PM

@Peter I pinned that :)
by elainekirk 6/14/2011 2:16:14 PM

@LM , it could be small piece of film. In my mind, just about everybody in japan should wear one.
by Peter Melzer 6/14/2011 2:16:16 PM

@elaine I agree completely..I can't believe we're not seeing outrage!
by LM 6/14/2011 2:17:07 PM

@elainekirk I worry about what these kids have already been exposed to, not what they will be exposed to in September. That also happens to be when they think they will have the tents on the reactors.
Thyroid disease in most cases can be treated but it doesn't make everything fine. The medications have side effects and many people with proper thyroid replacement will still have other health problems due to it. Thyroid replacement meds are not perfect either. They also don't mention stronium. If these kids are being exposed to that it is a much bigger deal than getting your thyroid removed.
by lillymunster 6/14/2011 2:22:22 PM

@Peter I'd want one too! It just speaks to the fact that the GoJ knows these kids shouldn't be living in that zone..when they're handing out dosimeters. The plant workers probably still don't all have one.
by LM 6/14/2011 2:23:49 PM

@Lilly Absolutely true!
by LM 6/14/2011 2:24:50 PM

@Peter Melzer : tyvm. isn't it strange that we dig deep into the (former) german nuke mafia while digging into kurion ?
by Edano 6/14/2011 2:25:23 PM

Japanese government compiled report on Fukushima nuclear accident: www.shimbun.denki.or.jp
by bo 6/14/2011 2:25:36 PM

And here is the report: www.kantei.go.jp
by bo 6/14/2011 2:25:55 PM

That is chapter 1. Don't know how to get to the top page, but if you keep increasing the chapter numbers in the url you get the next chapter. This report is in English, very strange.
by bo 6/14/2011 2:26:27 PM

If they had given the children protective iodine it would have shown commintment to their welfare but they ddnt
by elainekirk 6/14/2011 2:27:08 PM

@elainekirk I think my head just exploded. They didn't give those kids iodine? Did anyone in Japan get preventative iodine?
by lillymunster 6/14/2011 2:28:13 PM

@bo I noticed esterday that tepco released more english docs than Japanese - just standard releases but surely those are what the japanese need
by elainekirk 6/14/2011 2:28:30 PM

@lilly, the US troops helping from the bases here got iodine
by bo 6/14/2011 2:28:41 PM

@nancy I onl got confirmation that they werent given any nobody knew of any iodine being distributted full stop
by elainekirk 6/14/2011 2:29:43 PM

I agree that it would be good to track the doses for the kids with dosimeters, but as I said earlier, it reminds me of when the school districts in most large US cities distributed dog tags to school kids in 1950-51 so that they, or their charred remains, could be identified after a nuclear war. The subtext is inevitably: you are going to die.
by bo 6/14/2011 2:30:34 PM

@elainekirk Are you asking if Japan officials distributed iodine tablets among the population
?
by Pedro Jesus 6/14/2011 2:33:29 PM

@bo Thanks for the chapter link. The contents page is here: www.kantei.go.jp
by es 6/14/2011 2:34:00 PM

@es ty
by bo 6/14/2011 2:34:50 PM

@bo those dosimeters may be more than a placebo I worry that when parents say children are ill they are going to be told it wasnt the radiation because little Jimmy's dosimeter says he was in the safe limits
by elainekirk 6/14/2011 2:34:57 PM

@bo@lilly My understanding/impression was that a very limited number of people in the immediate vicinity of the plant got iodine but later than advised and not in any organised manner. I would like to know the details of what actually happened.
by Will 6/14/2011 2:35:03 PM

@bo , I believe this time it could be different. If everybody becomes a, how do you call them, hibakusha, the stigma disappears. Perhaps the Japanese leadership does not understand the dimension of this yet. But if they do not handle this crisis openly and effectively in terms of public health, nobody is going to buy Japanese products anymore.
by Peter Melzer 6/14/2011 2:36:11 PM

This mentions iodine going to evacuations centers. What if you didn't evacuate? No iodine for you? articles.latimes.com
by lillymunster 6/14/2011 2:37:04 PM

@Peter Melzer I agree. Doing things the right way was left behind decades ago. It would be better for people to understand the collective nature of the situation. And I agree that it would be good for everyone to understand that they have become hibakusha, it may alleviate some of the stigma and discrimination.
by bo 6/14/2011 2:37:52 PM

@elainekirk I remember, back at the Reuters blog time, that Japan officials had been distributing potassium iodide tablets to everyone, when there were the first hints of high levels of radiation reaching all the way to Tokyo. That was a long time ago, during the first week after the earthquake. So, if that was your question back there, yes there were potassium iodide tablets distributed among the population in different areas of Japan. I remember Kyodo News, Reuters and NHK reporting that.
by Pedro Jesus 6/14/2011 2:41:27 PM

Tokyo Electric Power Co. said Tuesday it will add a rooftop vent for seven reactors at Kashiwazaki-Kariwa plant in north-central Japan to prevent hydrogen explosions like what occurred at the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant in mid-March.

While those measures are taken, TEPCO will tentatively store equipment to cut a hole in roofs at Kashiwazaki and the Fukushima Dai-ni plant and take other safety steps at both sites.
www.washingtonpost.com
by lillymunster 6/14/2011 2:44:13 PM

140.000 evacuated in the first days that is 12th march they distributed 230.000 units iodine to evac centres on the 14th iodine needs to be taken every 24hrs !!!! and the first 3 days NO protection.
Children in Chiba have been exposed for a long time now, are there plans to give them iodine ? did they ever continue to distribute to the initial evac people when their supplies ran out after the fist dose
Iodine only protects for 24hrs it has to be taken continuously
by elainekirk 6/14/2011 2:44:24 PM

@Edano , well as a highly industrialized country with plenty expertise on chemical processes and heavily dependent on exports, I am not surprised. The university at Frankfurt has got excellent physics and chemistry departments. The region used to be home to the giant chemical conglomerate Hoechst AG. Plenty of inorganic chemistry brain power in the region. In my recollection, the pitfalls of reprocessing at the location Hanau became quite obvious quickly. The first fuel rods were manually reprocessed in hot cells. The techs sawed the rods apart with a hack saw and threw the content into a bubbling pot of acid (Alchem = alchemistry). Only that der Main just is no Atlantic Ocean or Irish Sea. The concerns about pollution ended the adventure prematurely. So the patent owners had to search for more fertile ground for their ideas elsewhere, that is France and the US.
by Peter Melzer 6/14/2011 2:49:16 PM

@peter you are scaring me.......carry on I need to know
by elainekirk 6/14/2011 2:51:24 PM

@nancy!!!!!!! they never did the work at KK then?????????? and they are not in prison??? WHY?
by elainekirk 6/14/2011 2:55:35 PM

@elainekirk , what more would you like to know?
by Peter Melzer 6/14/2011 2:55:51 PM

Found this snippet......................On March 16 Japanese authorities advised people living in a 20-km radius of the crippled plant to take iodine tablets five days after the catastrophic 9.0 magnitude earthquake and tsunami.

“Japanese authorities should have given out iodine tablets in a radius of 100-150 kilometers around the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant and done so right after the accident,” Castanier said.

“There is no major negative impact in iodine tablets so they should distribute them as widely as possible,” she said. www.chinapost.com.tw
by LM 6/14/2011 2:58:52 PM

@Peter Thanks for the links. I'll do some digging on those too. The more I dig the more interesting connections I find.
by Pedro Jesus 6/14/2011 3:00:16 PM

@elainekirk I think KK has the standard vent system like FUKU, we all saw how well that worked...
I think they are referring to smashing holes in the roof like they did at 5 &6. So now they are going to put in some sort of roof vent at KK. But doesn't that then defeat an aspect of the work floor containment? No mention if these vents will have any sort of air cleaning or be open/close or just a vent hole.
by lillymunster 6/14/2011 3:00:18 PM

Multiple embassies in Japan have started to pass out potassium iodide tablets as a precautionary measure. These tablets are being distributed in a 250km radius yet Japanese officials continue to claim that potassium iodide is only needed within the 20km evacuation zone.
The difference in opinion between the Japanese government and Foreign embassies is so huge that it seems impossible that Japan is not covering up the extent of this disaster.
theintelhub.com
by LM 6/14/2011 3:01:55 PM