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good one @bo, you know to me at least not wanting to panic the public over some issue is a symptom of a failure in nuclear power industry, both gov't and utilities, of educating the public on an ongoing basis... all of which done right would remove the necessity of the gov't, nuclear regulators etc to misquote severity, block use of negative words etc..

by dean 6/15/2011 2:14:28 PM

　NGO Netherlands and Belgium has recently published a list of the world's financial institutions investing in loans to companies that manufacture cluster bombs. From Japan, Daiwa Investment Trust, Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group, Mizuho Bank, Nomura, has been included in the list of Sumitomo Trust's five institutions. translate.google.com
by elainekirk 6/15/2011 2:15:07 PM

yw lilly
by dean 6/15/2011 2:15:24 PM

elaine is a pro at finding things.. like so many here.. nice one elaine.. "cluster bombs".. yikes
by dean 6/15/2011 2:16:26 PM

@dean ty. In my mind I have this fantasy scenario in which the nuclear plant operators go to the local community to assure them of the safety of the plant down the road, and conclude by saying, "And if by some chance there is an accident, we promise you, the people living nearby the plant, that we won't tell you anything about it because we don't want you to panic. That is our promise to you."
by bo 6/15/2011 2:19:19 PM

@bo that rings a bell...oh yes it just happened @bo that link to the reporting is very good
by elainekirk 6/15/2011 2:20:35 PM

@lillymunster Yes, I know that. The FAA initiated the flight restrictions over the Nebraska power plant on June 06, 2011 'UNTILL FURTHER NOTICE'. This is current ongoing info.. tfr.faa.gov
by MaryW 6/15/2011 2:23:23 PM

sadly but probably real @bo
by dean 6/15/2011 2:29:18 PM

@bo At least that would be honest! @elainekirk No it didn't just happen - they missed out that last bit, instead claiming we'd be kept fully informed.
by es 6/15/2011 2:33:50 PM

@bo LOL. That sounds about right. TEPCO had a big PR campaign at one point. I think it was when they were trying to get local approval to run MOX in the reactor. They did a big public plant tour thing to let people see how safe it was.
by lillymunster 6/15/2011 2:34:04 PM

I was a bit stunned by all of the hostility here towards the foreign press back in March, and also towards foreigners who left Tokyo. It was really intense. Besides the fact that someone else leaving doesn't affect you, so why be angry at them? And it was clear that the information we were receiving then was incomplete and that the situation was not under control. It was almost like if anyone on the plane believed it was impossible to fly then the whole plane would plummet like a stone, so there had to be a rigorous enforcement of everyone's belief that we could fly.
by bo 6/15/2011 2:35:32 PM

Sorry for the mixed metaphors.
by bo 6/15/2011 2:36:04 PM

of the 21 2011 NRC preliminary notifications (PN), 13 were due to some issue related to electrical power, 6 of those loss of offsite power, 3 for electrical fires, the remaining due to some internal electrical issue. I didn't go back to 2010 but, this is an indicator of more emphasis on re-evaluation of electrical power distribution to utilities and the need to ensure other robust power sources for near and long term needs.. that by the way are the same quality level and the reactor system and robust enough to withstand 1.5 times max EQ AND OTHER natural phenomina
by dean 6/15/2011 2:36:48 PM

I wrote up the claims and the facts around Ft. Calhoun,documented with links to original sources. www.houseoffoust.com

I found nothing to back up what the Hawaii Daily article claimed.
by lillymunster 6/15/2011 2:38:56 PM

good points @bo, also another point that I have seen, in my career in nuclear operations and engineering I remember telling the people who worked for me that their highest standards would be based on my lowest standards for operation... if I maintained the very highest standards they usually followed along and incorporated them into their work. I haven't seen high standards from gov't, TEPCO, ministry etc. or at least standards that lend the message to workers that.. well if the bosses are going to be that
way .. why should we ..
by dean 6/15/2011 2:40:56 PM

bravo lilly.. very well written, are you looking for a job.. lol
by dean 6/15/2011 2:43:20 PM

Yes @lilly, well done
by bo 6/15/2011 2:46:16 PM

www.ferc.gov @lilly .. some good information on the NRC Enforcement Process.. with some figures.. they do have severity levels in the enforcement side..
by dean 6/15/2011 2:48:48 PM

@nancy great write up
by elainekirk 6/15/2011 2:51:07 PM

@dean A job at what? :-)
by lillymunster 6/15/2011 2:51:54 PM

@nancy, nice report. One item (if you can find it, I couldn.t when surry was down) is what one of those levels actually will cause them to Use the 10 mile alarm system... I contacted surry and got a very generic e-mail directing me to the Nc site???
by fitter 6/15/2011 2:52:31 PM

@all it's tatami time for me. Catch you all in the bright nuclear morning.
by bo 6/15/2011 2:55:50 PM

@fitter It looks like site emergency would cause sirens to sound they are vague at when they would tell people to evacuate or shelter in place. It looks like they could call an evacuation when they have a site emergency or a general emergency. They direct people to listen to local media for instructions.
docs.google.com
by lillymunster 6/15/2011 2:57:07 PM

@nancy that should read "NCR" site

by fitter 6/15/2011 2:57:30 PM

In today's Le Monde "The rejection of nuclear power in Italy, another blow for the French industry. EDF was planning to built in partnership with Enel, four EPRs in Peninsula"
by Olivier 6/15/2011 2:58:50 PM

@lillymunster YES... shelter in place, but what level of "emergency" quantifies... Oh shit!! I guess just the last level, personaly i would like to make my own discesion as to "prepare to leave.. if you have a problem.. we do it all the time here for hurricanes....
by fitter 6/15/2011 3:00:51 PM

see ya bo
by dean 6/15/2011 3:02:21 PM

@fitter I wouldn't be sticking around if they got to "site event". :-)
by lillymunster 6/15/2011 3:04:11 PM

@lilly.. if I were still enmeshed in nuclear work I could definately use someone like you.. or elaine.. both excellent
by dean 6/15/2011 3:04:22 PM

@dean Thanks. :-)
by lillymunster 6/15/2011 3:04:39 PM

@dean Speaking of nuclear safety culture... blogs.seattleweekly.com
by bojack54 6/15/2011 3:04:50 PM

Morning all! Having my coffee and checking out your posts I stumbled upon the NRC daily event reports..Very interesting..Here are today's 'events'...It makes you wonder about all the things we're not told! www.nrc.gov
by LM 6/15/2011 3:05:11 PM

@LM yes, reading the event reports at NRC will give you nightmares.
by lillymunster 6/15/2011 3:05:51 PM

@Lilly It sure will. This scribble community has really opened my eyes. I'm grateful to all of you!
by LM 6/15/2011 3:07:21 PM

@lillymunster neither would i ....MY point exactly... in flood you know somehting is happing... equipment faluire NO... untill site event.... then too late to leave
by fitter 6/15/2011 3:08:41 PM

@lillymunster It really is a scary thing reading them.. I had to quite I'm 8 miles (they say 5.4) split the diffrnce??
by fitter 6/15/2011 3:10:00 PM

@bojack.. well.. the DOE is a whole other story and the DNFSB is a tuff overside committee..
by dean 6/15/2011 3:15:22 PM

gm LM
by dean 6/15/2011 3:15:53 PM

Morning Dean!
by LM 6/15/2011 3:19:50 PM

@lillymunster I liked your report at 'houseoffoust.com'. Just a suggestion?:) include the status notification facts from U.S.NRC's preliminary notification reports for June 2011 where they declare the 'notification of unusual event' and the 'alert' www.nrc.gov
by MaryW 6/15/2011 3:34:31 PM

enertech.cwfc.com link associated with main steam system safety features like the let down valves, safety valves and one mentioned in one of the reports that LM posted... ATMOSPHERIC STEAM DUMP VALVE..
by dean 6/15/2011 3:34:38 PM

U.S. Says Fukushima Plant’s Spent-Fuel Pool Wasn’t Empty
A pool with radioactive fuel rods at Japan’s crippled Fukushima Dai-Ichi plant unit 4 probably didn’t lose all its cooling water early in the crisis, the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission said. www.bloomberg.com
by Panserbjorne9 6/15/2011 3:35:53 PM

69 people suffer food poisoning symptoms at shelter in Fukushima
FUKUSHIMA -- Sixty-nine people at a shelter set up in Fukushima Prefecture after the Great East Japan Earthquake came down with symptoms of food poisoning earlier this month after eating food provided by a support group, it has been learned. mdn.mainichi.jp
by Panserbjorne9 6/15/2011 3:38:19 PM

U.S. nuclear task force finds gaps in regulations
There are gaps in regulations and guidelines aimed at keeping U.S. nuclear plants safe during catastrophes, a task force examining U.S. nuclear power safety said on Wednesday.
Senior staff at the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission outlined regulatory issues identified so far in their review of Japan's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear disaster, an examination that could lead to costly new rules for the 104 U.S. reactors as well as new plants in the works. www.abs-cbnnews.com
by Panserbjorne9 6/15/2011 3:39:45 PM