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  • I knew a lot of those people when they were hippies with a little company before they grew and sold out to the agra-monsters.
    by bo 6/17/2011 3:05:33 PM

  • @lilly in the US heavily agricultural usually means animal feed. Except of course in California. There it is Big Agra.
    by bo 6/17/2011 3:06:34 PM

  • @bo lots of the production here is soybean and corn that mostly is not direct food products. It goes to animal feed, biofuel or heavily processed food products. We are seeing more produce grown and slow starts of local direct to consumer meat.
    by lillymunster 6/17/2011 3:08:02 PM

  • @lilly I grew up in the midwest, so I know just what you are talking about. I'm glad to see the local food movement gaining steam in the US, not just in the bay area. We need more of that here in Japan.
    by bo 6/17/2011 3:09:35 PM

  • I have a lot of connections in the California organic produce world. I am trying to find companies here to link them to, since I think that Japan needs much more organic produce.
    by bo 6/17/2011 3:13:04 PM

  • @bo It has grown up around here as Walmart took over and we lost grocery store options. The main food sources are Walmart and Hyvee and Hyvee is a very big agra retailer. As people get frustrated with lack of options they migrate over to coops and direct from producer products.
    by lillymunster 6/17/2011 3:13:36 PM

  • @lilly Walmart is now the largest retailer of organic food in the US.
    by bo 6/17/2011 3:14:23 PM

  • I live in a an agriculture area, as well. Local buying group for organics plus CSA have keep me out of the stores. Azure Standard is a great resource for US in many areas www.azurestandard.com
    by Mid Valley 6/17/2011 3:14:37 PM

  • Much of our local is not certified organic but use organic type standards and try to be open about their practices.
    by lillymunster 6/17/2011 3:16:01 PM

  • @lillymunster My wife came home yesterday with three packages of "organic" romaine lettuce. I started to complain, and she said it was buy one get two free, so it was alot cheaper. Thats really all I care about.. Price.
    by RBeaner 6/17/2011 3:18:10 PM

  • I love the bay area. The best known organic farms there don't even bother to certify anymore since everyone knows their names and the quality that they stand for.
    by bo 6/17/2011 3:18:39 PM

  • @bo I had a bag of organic potatoes, and they just dissolved when boiled, made a slurry, what a waste. I suppose the different products have different uses.
    by RBeaner 6/17/2011 3:20:43 PM

  • @RBeaner produce is produce. The key is that it is fresh and has been handled well. Being organic doesn't make things good when they haven't been kept in the right temp or are too old. That is one reason that the natural food movement is starting to focus on how far the food has to travel. Food begins to loose nutrients as soon as it is picked.
    by bo 6/17/2011 3:22:37 PM

  • News KESENNUMA, Japan (AP): Ships tossed ashore by Japan tsunami get rescued www.google.com
    by Mid Valley 6/17/2011 3:23:42 PM

  • @RBeaner Organic only means the use of chemicals. You can get unhealthy or low quality organic produce just like non organic. There are certain products where organic type practices matter more.
    by lillymunster 6/17/2011 3:23:49 PM

  • @bo I'm in CT (east coast US) and that Romaine (beautiful stuff, I might add) came from CA (US west coast). It was crisp an great, must have flown here I guess.
    by RBeaner 6/17/2011 3:24:46 PM

  • Senate hearing on nuclear www.thenation.com
    by lillymunster 6/17/2011 3:25:03 PM

  • @RBeaner it came on a truck for sure. Probably romaine hearts. They are very good at handing them at the packing house and getting them across the country fast. And they hold up better than an actual head of romaine, whose outer leaves will wither. But it is a tricky business to send fresh produce from west to east coasts. One glitch in the supply train, one problem with temp in the truck, and tens of thousands of dollars are gone. Then they look for somewhere to dump it. Often in a conventional grocery store that thinks "organic" means it is magically fresh.
    by bo 6/17/2011 3:28:55 PM

  • I hope organic means that they don't spread sewage sludge on their soil. Sludge from contaminated areas in the US like San Diego or Phoenix is being applied now to farmland all over the US. This is a huge issue.
    by Bobby1 6/17/2011 3:29:14 PM

  • @Bobby1 I was appalled to hear that. That sludge would have all sorts of bad things in it.
    by lillymunster 6/17/2011 3:30:32 PM

  • good morning all
    by dean 6/17/2011 3:30:46 PM

  • @Bobby1 well now thanks to the "National Organic Standards" they actually can use sewerage sludge. It was legislation backed by folks like Walmart to lower the bar. Different organic certifiers use different standards. Many are much higher than the NOS, but they are legally not allowed to tell you so. But according to the NOS, sewerage sludge is AOK in organics. My advice is to look for the CCOF certification. Best in the land.
    by bo 6/17/2011 3:31:15 PM

  • @dean good morning.
    by bo 6/17/2011 3:31:20 PM

  • @lillymunster It already has heavy metals, industrial chemicals, pharmaceuticals and endocrine disruptors.
    by Bobby1 6/17/2011 3:31:39 PM

  • For example, in Kentucky the state is a certifier. You pay $25 and you are certified, no inspections, no questions. This was done to try to help tobacco farmers convert to organics after the big tobacco settlement. The key to organics is to know who is certifying.
    by bo 6/17/2011 3:33:05 PM

  • @Bobby1 and then they wonder why we end up with illness outbreaks.
    by lillymunster 6/17/2011 3:33:14 PM

  • @lilly,,, nice post on the hearing.. I listened to the tail end of it and every one should try to pick it and the 90 day one up and listen to it to give perspective on some very important issues facing nuclear today in USA
    by dean 6/17/2011 3:33:23 PM

  • @bo Thanks, I will be looking for that certification. The sludge is going to make the food contamination problem much worse. And the grains will be fed to chickens, cows, pigs.
    by Bobby1 6/17/2011 3:33:50 PM

  • General Daiichi Situation Summary 6/17/11

    1. Reactors 1-3 all ~100% Fuel Meltdown. All 3 RPV's have holes in them at various levels allowing highly contaminated water to leak out to buildings. Suspected Corium leaks from all 3 RPV's to torus, supression chamber and even concrete basemat. Large amounts of water need to be continuosly added to keep the mess cool. Reactors 4, 5 and 6 no known (or expected) problems.

    2. Spent Fuel Pools
    #1 Hot. Water being added to keep cool
    #2 Cooling provided by newly installed heat exchanger system
    #3 Hot. Water being added to keep cool
    #4 Hot. Water being added to keep cool. Structural damage known and being reenforced.
    #5, 6 and Common no known current issues

    3. All reactor/Turbine buildings have large amounts of Highly Radioactive water in their basement areas.

    4. Highly radioactive water has been transferred to the waste storage building (not tank) as temporary storage. This water is leaking out and all the turbine buildings are suspected of leaking to the sea and or groundwater.

    5. The radioactive water is an enormous challenge. They estimate they currently are dealing with ~100,000 Tons of highly radioactive water in the buildings and temporary storage tanks. This tonnage increases every day. For perspective, the 136-meter-long, 46-meter-wide mega-float can store around 10,000 tons of water.Systems have now been put in place, and tested, to start treating this water. Their success will start to be seen in the next several days.

    6. The plant area is already plagued with a high (pre quake) ground water level.

    7. Reactor buildings all have extremely high radiation levels throughout, making stay/work times for humans very short inside.

    8. The site itself is highly contaminated and some areas have very high radiation levels associated with them. Some areas have been "plasticized" to render this radioactivity immobile, and this work continues.

    9. Several of the reactor buildings, spent fuel pools and yard areas continue to release radioactivity to the air, thereby adding additional radioactivity to the surrounding area and remaining population.

    10. An evacuation zone of 30 Kilometers has been established, most people have complied with evacuation. Some population centers beyond the 30Km have been directed to evacuate, compliance is somewhat less in these areas.

    11. People outside the evacuation zone are still having to deal with elevated radiation and soil radioactivity levels in their daily lives. These radiation and radioactivity levels do not impose immediate danger, but exposure at these levels will increase the risk of illness for these people.

    12. The people in and around the affected area are suffering, both mentally and physically, from the dislocation, fears and exposure to this Unprecedented (3 plants at INES 7) nuclear disaster.

    In closing, I haven't spoken of the massive tsunami and earthquake that occurred, and all the resultant victims and survivors, it is not out of a lack of compassion or empathy. My heart bleeds for these people, but that is a natural dissaster, the People of Japan know how to deal with it and will. Daiichi is a man made disaster that only required severe adverse nature to start the ball rolling.
    by RBeaner 6/17/2011 3:35:46 PM

  • @dean Still trying to get the NRC meeting on Fuku on the website. I saw something in passing that Sen. Markeley has his nuclear safety bill moving and it has a senate bill number now. That would be worth finding out and following.
    by lillymunster 6/17/2011 3:36:29 PM

  • www.nema.ne.gov @all. this is a good link to RADIOLOGICAL EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLAN FOR NUCLEAR POWER PLANT INCIDENTS and you can click on each of 4 levels for detail on what it takes to get to each level and what happens
    by dean 6/17/2011 3:38:26 PM

  • good work lilly
    by dean 6/17/2011 3:38:47 PM

  • @lillymunster not much has changed on staus since 6/2, but any comments or changes are welcome, and then prehaps replace the 6/2 post
    by RBeaner 6/17/2011 3:38:56 PM

  • c-span will probaby re-air it and I was trying to fnid the next time so I could see it
    by dean 6/17/2011 3:39:11 PM

  • @RBeaner thanks, will grab the new one and post it to the group web in a few minutes.
    by lillymunster 6/17/2011 3:39:33 PM

  • 17 June vs. 16 June plant parameters. #1 temps up 1/2 degree, 3 out of 4 still below 100C, CAMS back down after yesterday's spike in CAMS DW B reading. #2 pretty much flat on all values, 3 of 4 temps still over 100C. #3 also pretty much flat, temps 145 - 163C.
    by Markfm 6/17/2011 3:39:57 PM

  • @dean I downloaded it to put it on but the file was too big so have to download a lower resolution. The NRC website makes a direct embed into the website complicated.
    by lillymunster 6/17/2011 3:40:18 PM

  • If anyone has any news stories from the last 24 hrs they see as significant can you let me know, I will add them as a short news roundup on the site.
    by lillymunster 6/17/2011 3:40:48 PM

  • 3 just seems ugly, with those consistent high temperatures.
    by Markfm 6/17/2011 3:40:51 PM

  • @Markfm thoughts on why it isn't cooling like the others?
    by lillymunster 6/17/2011 3:41:25 PM

  • well done @ RBeaner
    by dean 6/17/2011 3:41:55 PM

  • The News roundup needs to state "I think" that new hot spots will be added to evacuation parameter.."still waiting on GoJ for that
    by Veenie 6/17/2011 3:42:10 PM

  • @RBeaner 11. People outside the evacuation zone are still having to deal with elevated radiation and soil radioactivity levels in their daily lives. These radiation and radioactivity levels do not impose immediate danger, but exposure at these levels will increase the risk of illness for these people. <--- nonsense, there are radiation exposure symptoms being reported all the way to Tokyo.
    by Bobby1 6/17/2011 3:42:14 PM

  • NHK stories in today’s JAIF Earthquake Report: (Fukushima NPP Site) ●New road map focuses on worker health ●Leak source identified at Fukushima Daiichi pant ●TEPCO account of first 5 days ●Leaking water may delay decontamination ●Radioactive water still threatens to overflow ●TEPCO: Opening door of No.2 reactor is safe (Other news) ●Compensation proposed for nuclear evacuees ●Fukushima City expands radiation checks ●Yokohama checks school lunches for radiation ●Govt sets policy to handle radiation sludge
    by Markfm 6/17/2011 3:42:52 PM

  • Beats me on #3. They've been pushing in 11 to 12 cubic meters of water per hour for a long time. Either that beast is leaking like a sieve or something bad has happened in the core, some kind of big mass that the water just isn't able to cool. Dean would likely have better insight.
    by Markfm 6/17/2011 3:44:11 PM

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