
I knew a lot of those people when they were hippies with a little company before they grew and sold out to the agra-monsters.
by bo 6/17/2011 3:05:33 PM

@lilly in the US heavily agricultural usually means animal feed. Except of course in California. There it is Big Agra.
by bo 6/17/2011 3:06:34 PM

@bo lots of the production here is soybean and corn that mostly is not direct food products. It goes to animal feed, biofuel or heavily processed food products. We are seeing more produce grown and slow starts of local direct to consumer meat.
by lillymunster 6/17/2011 3:08:02 PM

@lilly I grew up in the midwest, so I know just what you are talking about. I'm glad to see the local food movement gaining steam in the US, not just in the bay area. We need more of that here in Japan.
by bo 6/17/2011 3:09:35 PM

I have a lot of connections in the California organic produce world. I am trying to find companies here to link them to, since I think that Japan needs much more organic produce.
by bo 6/17/2011 3:13:04 PM

@bo It has grown up around here as Walmart took over and we lost grocery store options. The main food sources are Walmart and Hyvee and Hyvee is a very big agra retailer. As people get frustrated with lack of options they migrate over to coops and direct from producer products.
by lillymunster 6/17/2011 3:13:36 PM

@lilly Walmart is now the largest retailer of organic food in the US.
by bo 6/17/2011 3:14:23 PM

Much of our local is not certified organic but use organic type standards and try to be open about their practices.
by lillymunster 6/17/2011 3:16:01 PM

I love the bay area. The best known organic farms there don't even bother to certify anymore since everyone knows their names and the quality that they stand for.
by bo 6/17/2011 3:18:39 PM

@RBeaner produce is produce. The key is that it is fresh and has been handled well. Being organic doesn't make things good when they haven't been kept in the right temp or are too old. That is one reason that the natural food movement is starting to focus on how far the food has to travel. Food begins to loose nutrients as soon as it is picked.
by bo 6/17/2011 3:22:37 PM

@RBeaner Organic only means the use of chemicals. You can get unhealthy or low quality organic produce just like non organic. There are certain products where organic type practices matter more.
by lillymunster 6/17/2011 3:23:49 PM

Senate hearing on nuclear
www.thenation.comby lillymunster 6/17/2011 3:25:03 PM

@RBeaner it came on a truck for sure. Probably romaine hearts. They are very good at handing them at the packing house and getting them across the country fast. And they hold up better than an actual head of romaine, whose outer leaves will wither. But it is a tricky business to send fresh produce from west to east coasts. One glitch in the supply train, one problem with temp in the truck, and tens of thousands of dollars are gone. Then they look for somewhere to dump it. Often in a conventional grocery store that thinks "organic" means it is magically fresh.
by bo 6/17/2011 3:28:55 PM

@Bobby1 I was appalled to hear that. That sludge would have all sorts of bad things in it.
by lillymunster 6/17/2011 3:30:32 PM

good morning all
by dean 6/17/2011 3:30:46 PM

@Bobby1 well now thanks to the "National Organic Standards" they actually can use sewerage sludge. It was legislation backed by folks like Walmart to lower the bar. Different organic certifiers use different standards. Many are much higher than the NOS, but they are legally not allowed to tell you so. But according to the NOS, sewerage sludge is AOK in organics. My advice is to look for the CCOF certification. Best in the land.
by bo 6/17/2011 3:31:15 PM

@dean good morning.
by bo 6/17/2011 3:31:20 PM

For example, in Kentucky the state is a certifier. You pay $25 and you are certified, no inspections, no questions. This was done to try to help tobacco farmers convert to organics after the big tobacco settlement. The key to organics is to know who is certifying.
by bo 6/17/2011 3:33:05 PM

@Bobby1 and then they wonder why we end up with illness outbreaks.
by lillymunster 6/17/2011 3:33:14 PM

@lilly,,, nice post on the hearing.. I listened to the tail end of it and every one should try to pick it and the 90 day one up and listen to it to give perspective on some very important issues facing nuclear today in USA
by dean 6/17/2011 3:33:23 PM

@dean Still trying to get the NRC meeting on Fuku on the website. I saw something in passing that Sen. Markeley has his nuclear safety bill moving and it has a senate bill number now. That would be worth finding out and following.
by lillymunster 6/17/2011 3:36:29 PM

www.nema.ne.gov @all. this is a good link to RADIOLOGICAL EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLAN FOR NUCLEAR POWER PLANT INCIDENTS and you can click on each of 4 levels for detail on what it takes to get to each level and what happens
by dean 6/17/2011 3:38:26 PM

good work lilly
by dean 6/17/2011 3:38:47 PM

c-span will probaby re-air it and I was trying to fnid the next time so I could see it
by dean 6/17/2011 3:39:11 PM

@RBeaner thanks, will grab the new one and post it to the group web in a few minutes.
by lillymunster 6/17/2011 3:39:33 PM

@dean I downloaded it to put it on but the file was too big so have to download a lower resolution. The NRC website makes a direct embed into the website complicated.
by lillymunster 6/17/2011 3:40:18 PM

If anyone has any news stories from the last 24 hrs they see as significant can you let me know, I will add them as a short news roundup on the site.
by lillymunster 6/17/2011 3:40:48 PM

@Markfm thoughts on why it isn't cooling like the others?
by lillymunster 6/17/2011 3:41:25 PM

well done @ RBeaner
by dean 6/17/2011 3:41:55 PM