Japan Earthquake

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@Bobby1 I have seen no evidence of radiation exposure symptoms anywhere, including Tokyo and Fukushima city. I have seen anecdotes nof nosebleeds and such, but no correlation to radiation exposure.
by RBeaner 6/17/2011 3:46:19 PM

markfm.. they must feel the importance to keep the water flowing, perhaps just based on the core (what's left of it and they don't really know) needs water and I
do believe it is leaking
by dean 6/17/2011 3:46:26 PM

Is there something particularly nasty about MOX, or just that in this case it's melted into a big lump, so the contact area of the cooling water just isn't enough to compensate for the heat generated? (it is generally dropping in temp, just really, really, slowly).
by Markfm 6/17/2011 3:47:57 PM

from my experience, when something needs cooling and has suspected leakage,, the feed and bleen rate is usually the loss rate and they just stay at that level to maintain a quantity over which is being cooled
by dean 6/17/2011 3:48:17 PM

@Veenie I saw some stories about the expanding of evac areas, is this current as far as what your referring to?
by lillymunster 6/17/2011 3:48:36 PM

Ahh, okay
by Markfm 6/17/2011 3:48:43 PM

@lilly wasn't it yesterday or day before where they said there was a 300 sq meter hole in the SFP
by dean 6/17/2011 3:48:52 PM

Nancy, for a quick news capture the JAIF EQ report is pretty good. It only covers NHK, but it does pick up a lot of stories.
by Markfm 6/17/2011 3:49:18 PM

@RBeaner Maybe you should start looking. The Japanese are now absorbing the dose which will lead to cancer and other conditions, it is patently false to say there are no immediate effects.
by Bobby1 6/17/2011 3:49:27 PM

@dean yes, DH stopped by and said the translation on Manichi was bad. It was something like a 3 sq meter hole. Somehow the translation messed the numbers.
by lillymunster 6/17/2011 3:49:52 PM

@Markfm is there a link to it in your daily pin up?
by lillymunster 6/17/2011 3:50:24 PM

@lillymunster 3 square centimeters was the corrected translation IIRC.
by RBeaner 6/17/2011 3:50:47 PM

Yes. www.jaif.or.jp It's 2/3 of the way down in the listing.
by Markfm 6/17/2011 3:51:12 PM

@Markfm was that supposed to go to the pdf?
by lillymunster 6/17/2011 3:54:18 PM

@Bobby1 Some people are undoubtably going to die as a result of this event. That is a foregone conclusion. It isn't good, it's reality. I do Not believe that anyone at this time shows any symptoms from radiation exposure. Including the guys with 6 or 700 mSv this year already. This whole thing is bad, but not immediate bad IMHO. I don't think the (very real) threat needs to be increased beyond the scientific documentation.
by RBeaner 6/17/2011 3:56:51 PM

Got it, bad link: www.jaif.or.jp
by Markfm 6/17/2011 3:57:11 PM

breakfast time.. be back
by dean 6/17/2011 3:57:47 PM

Tepco begins work to clean coolant water search.japantimes.co.jp
by Markfm 6/17/2011 3:58:36 PM

Some radioactive sludge to be buried search.japantimes.co.jp
by Markfm 6/17/2011 3:59:31 PM

@RBeaner Sorry that makes no sense. The damage is being done to bodies now which will lead to cancer. Maybe you think it's ok as long as people are not dropping dead in the streets.
by Bobby1 6/17/2011 4:01:49 PM

Full-scale operation of key water treatment system may be delayed mdn.mainichi.jp "the utility, known as TEPCO, will be forced to deal with the water leakage problem first, raising the possibility that full operation of the key facility to clean up contaminated water may be postponed until Saturday."
by Markfm 6/17/2011 4:01:51 PM

@Bobby1 Hows this look to you ""These radiation and radioactivity levels do not impose immediate danger, but exposure at these levels will increase the risk of illness for these people. Some analysis of radiation hazard, indicates significant health risk at these low levels. Anecdotal shows some indication of effects from low level radiation as far away as Tokyo."
by RBeaner 6/17/2011 4:02:45 PM

I'm not trying to summarize by fiat, just the generak sense of the board posters, including you Bobby1
by RBeaner 6/17/2011 4:07:09 PM

Off to update the site, back in a bit.
by lillymunster 6/17/2011 4:08:09 PM

@RBeaner Your statement implies there is no immediate danger from contamination. The contimanation risk is immediate, and people should be taking steps to reduce it. The statement seems misleading.
by Bobby1 6/17/2011 4:08:19 PM

I'm looking for some confirmation on this story: www.americancrisis.us
by Bobby1 6/17/2011 4:09:30 PM

@Bobby1 11. People outside the evacuation zone are still having to deal with elevated radiation and soil radioactivity levels in their daily lives. These radiation and radioactivity levels do not impose immediate danger, but exposure at these levels will increase the risk of illness for these people. Some analysis of radiation hazard, indicates significant health risk at these low levels. Anecdotal evidence shows some indication of effects from low level radiation as far away as Tokyo." Does that address it for you? Give me the words you think appropriate.
by RBeaner 6/17/2011 4:10:34 PM

@Bobby1 Your paper was detailed, but prehaps you should look at your comparisson data for last year at Eureka (said 53x normal). Last years data from radnet, not you, was bad and showed a significant decrease for jan-june of 2010. It only started in june of 09, but graph the whole period and you will see what I mean by bad comparisson data.
by RBeaner 6/17/2011 4:15:47 PM

@RBeaner The study was only as good as the EPA data was. I can't vouch for their measurements, in fact there is good reason to suspect that the 2011 readings were too low.
by Bobby1 6/17/2011 4:17:24 PM

@RBeaner What for you would represent immediate danger? An example?
by Bobby1 6/17/2011 4:18:18 PM

@bobby the sources sound good and Russia has been active in keeping the tepco farce alive so I think it worth seeing if we can find enough references to it .
by elainekirk 6/17/2011 4:19:38 PM

@Bobby1 I agree, you only had radnet data to analyse. But take a look at your outliers, 53x in Eureka? look at the past year on that one source on radnet, tell me if you believe that is in any way accurate?
by RBeaner 6/17/2011 4:20:36 PM

@RBeaner The Pacific Northwest has very low background radiation outside of the big cities, it is plausible. The same goes for Hawaii.
by Bobby1 6/17/2011 4:23:32 PM

@Bobby1 Immediate health risk? 500 mSv (otherwise known as 50 Rem). Thats a buttload of radiation. That is the threshold, as I believe it, for immediate effects. I am not the last voice on this, and I encourage other scientific study, but I have seen NO studies that show any physical effects (nosebleed, sore throat) at low doses of like 5 mSv.
by RBeaner 6/17/2011 4:26:08 PM

US Corps of Engineers still releasing 150k of water out of Gavins Point Dam today. Incoming water down just slightly but may be sign of slow down in river flows. Level in the reservoir down slightly. us.vocuspr.com

by lillymunster 6/17/2011 4:27:37 PM

@RBeaner ex-skf.blogspot.com
by Bobby1 6/17/2011 4:27:49 PM

by Edano via Www3.nhk.or.jp 6/17/2011 4:29:35 PM

@elainekirk There was no mention on the Russian board here translate.google.com
by Bobby1 6/17/2011 4:29:51 PM

@bobby as far as I can validate it the Russian FAA and rosatom are one and the same this is their website www.rosatom.ru
by elainekirk 6/17/2011 4:30:45 PM

skf on the unreliability of food safety: ex-skf.blogspot.com
by bo 6/17/2011 4:31:23 PM

@Bobby1 Well I can't seem to graph it, but just look at the numbers. You do your position a disservice when you inflate statistics. Although this did start from BAD RadNet data. oaspub.epa.gov
by RBeaner 6/17/2011 4:33:14 PM

@RBeaner @Bobby1 I've been following your debate. I came across the most recent daily update from WHOI expedition team off the coast of Fukushima-Daiichi NPP. It is very enlightening and relevant to your discussion. www.whoi.edu
by Pedro Jesus 6/17/2011 4:33:57 PM

@Bobby1 I don't believe there is a single case , Not one, of radiation induced sickness in Japan. I think, based on the studies, effects are far down the road.
by RBeaner 6/17/2011 4:37:44 PM