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  • Japan Plant Starts Treating Radioactive Water Tepco also said its roadmap for bringing the facility to a safe condition and stopping all radiation releases is proceeding as planned.
    In releasing its latest update to the plan, Mr. Muto said the company was still confident it could meet its target of achieving a "cold shutdown" of the three most damaged reactors on schedule, which would mean by early 2012. online.wsj.com
    by majj 6/17/2011 5:41:19 PM

  • @majj wsj are lagging i hear it started leaking again
    by elainekirk 6/17/2011 5:42:05 PM

  • can copy ;- 0
    and past only , for now
    by majj 6/17/2011 5:42:21 PM

  • Good paper on the debate and divide over radiation risks to health hnn.us
    by lillymunster 6/17/2011 5:43:09 PM

  • @nancy have you read jo's link below
    by elainekirk 6/17/2011 5:44:44 PM

  • www.popsci.com for a good read on ionizing radiation damange to the body. I look at it as what is the minimum ionizing radiation that the body can update and still maintain the capability for the body to repair damage and that seems to be the hold even level that is some times published,, ie" minimum exposure for people in USA.. and as we know by now.. the younger children or unborns are the worst affected because they are still growning and cells are splitting etc and become more vunerable.
    by dean 6/17/2011 5:44:57 PM

  • in addition they deal with probabilities and statistical numbers for contracting cancers but can't accurately predict x number of extra radiation will result in x numbers of cancer... they do know from experience the affects of higher levels of accute doses,, causing definate signs of sickness, vomitting, etc and more pronounced cellular breakdown etc.
    by dean 6/17/2011 5:48:46 PM

  • time for my VA appointment.. be back later.. nice nice day ..
    by dean 6/17/2011 5:48:58 PM

  • @dean later
    by elainekirk 6/17/2011 5:50:21 PM

  • Elaine, no idea on what the pipes may mean. Salt water is not something you want to get into the main vessel, but from reading the Kyodo story I cannot really picture where the water has gone.
    by Markfm 6/17/2011 5:53:25 PM

  • @mark so need more info then, I will keep an eye on the tweets
    by elainekirk 6/17/2011 5:58:25 PM

  • Something that may compound confusion on the health impacts from Chernobyl. Many of the workers and people from the area that contracted cancer were denied any compensation or benefits under the claim that they did not know for sure that their exposure caused the cancer and it could have been something else that caused it. So if a study took the official numbers based on those receiving compensation the numbers would be very off. We may see the same thing in Japan where people with claims get brushed off in order to avoid paying compensation. So where the sample of people is coming from may matter.
    by lillymunster 6/17/2011 6:04:42 PM

  • I think it's going to be interesting to watch the weaving of the "You can't be sure it's Fukushima. We learned at that same time that cell phones are carcinogenic" storyline. As if learning of it was the beginning of the effect. But they'll try to smear that distinction.
    by radioguy 6/17/2011 6:25:46 PM

  • Tepco getting millions in loans fron life insurance companies some of which are major tepco shareholders translate.google.com so that to my mind casts doubt on whether any health effects will be properly documented
    by elainekirk 6/17/2011 6:29:06 PM

  • It's just maddening to watch them failing to even tell people in the areas around Fukushima that they should thoroughly wash their garden vegetables, because that would admit it's serious. That's saving face (and a myth) at the expense of peoples health and lives. Pregnant women and those with small children should "think of leaving"?
    by radioguy 6/17/2011 6:30:24 PM

  • @radioguy it is all liability evasion plain and simple if we dont make them evac we dont have to pay and they must have decided it is cheaper to treat the health conditions
    by elainekirk 6/17/2011 6:40:01 PM

  • @elainekirk Also another problem is not all the people who are told to evacuate actually comply, for one reason or the other. In the USA and some European countries officials would probably force evacuation at gun point but in Japan it's a totally different culture.
    by Pedro Jesus 6/17/2011 6:49:42 PM

  • @pedro I fully understand that but would they make the same decision if they were informed ? I think I can only accept that somebody has made a choice if they have made the decision based on full information.
    by elainekirk 6/17/2011 6:52:05 PM

  • @elainekirk If someone decides to evacuate will they have any assistance? Can they go to a shelter? Will they get any compensation or help with their basic needs? Will they get relocation assistance? "Ya might wanna leave" without any support would be insane. Not everyone has the resources to up and relocate.
    by lillymunster 6/17/2011 6:54:10 PM

  • @Pedro Jesus @elainekirk If it were just TEPCO. I'd go with "If we suggest they leave and they don't, then they chose the consequences and we're off the hook". GoJ is harder to figure it as a liability issue.
    by radioguy 6/17/2011 6:55:19 PM

  • I will have to find out @nancy but the last batch got offered space on a floor at a designated evac centre , nothing else that I know of
    by elainekirk 6/17/2011 6:56:32 PM

  • OK... there's only one thing for it. A plate of BBQ and free Mumbo Gumbo in the park. Dance it out a bit. Sometimes you just need to let it go for a while. I'm out for the day.
    by radioguy 6/17/2011 7:00:18 PM

  • @radioguy it is tepco they are in charge so to speak the accident is their responsibility in law although the law is going to be changed soon on iaea recs because too late in the day it is realised that tepco dictating the disaster response is baaad in the extreme
    by elainekirk 6/17/2011 7:00:57 PM

  • @radioguy tepco could advise the goj to force an evac but if they didnt and goj did it then I dont know how those people would claim any compensation which is probably why it is just an advisory you cannot force people to give everything up and get no support
    by elainekirk 6/17/2011 7:03:17 PM

  • @elainekirk It's that way with virtually every corporate-managed disaster. CYA crisis management at its worst. This could all have been plotted from the beginning like some bad TV movie. (Which, btw, we've not seen. Odd, given that the coed abduction du jour is in a movie within a month.)
    by radioguy 6/17/2011 7:03:42 PM

  • @elainekirk I must disagree. The Government is legally responsible for Public Health and also for enforcing nuclear regulations and inspections on nuclear facilities. The GoJ and TEPCO are going to have to share responsibility on the outcome of this accident.
    by Pedro Jesus 6/17/2011 7:06:04 PM

  • @radioguy they couldnt make a movie without tepco's cooperation it would be litigation hell , has the oil disaster brought to you by bp been muted for the movies I think that would not happen for the same reasons
    by elainekirk 6/17/2011 7:06:45 PM

  • @pedro I think the nuclear compensation act was passed into law in 63 I will check but goj do not share liability unless it is an extrodinary natural disaster and this wasnt, tepco applied for it to be recognised as such but were turned down
    by elainekirk 6/17/2011 7:08:48 PM

  • @Pedro Jesus I think in this case your right about liability. Due to the over cozy relationship and how the govt. oversight didn't really do the job I think there will be lawsuits against the govt. You really never know who will win though.

    @Radioguy, a couple of people have noticed conflicts between the TEPCO cam and the TBS cam. There are images of the crane moving around on TBS and it will be somewhere it should be in plain view of the TEPCO cam but nobody sees it on TEPCO. I have noticed video that looks oddly familiar during the day. It makes me wonder if they are pulling a BP and rerunning footage.
    by lillymunster 6/17/2011 7:12:25 PM

  • TEPCO is also considering adoption of a full face mask covering the corresponding glasses.Food restriction, and also to check the mounting depth of education and the need for protection.(Eisuke Sasaki) www.asahi.com
    that tepco decide if the workers are adquately protected is beyond belief but within the law
    by elainekirk 6/17/2011 7:22:03 PM

  • @elainekirk Shows a complete lack of moral and ethical obligation towards their workers. It is beyond me, why no third party watchdog is monitoring TEPCO, the GoJ is responsible to do that and continiously fail to meet that
    by Veenie 6/17/2011 7:28:26 PM

  • www.oecd-nea.org
    Act on Compensation for Nuclear Damage
    by elainekirk 6/17/2011 7:33:32 PM

  • @veenie they also leave responsibility for the safety training of contracted workers to the contracters - liability dontcha know
    by elainekirk 6/17/2011 7:37:02 PM

  • tepco has said to the media that they are not responsible for contractor employees on site. Anyone but the core TEPCO staff is a contractor of some sort. So anyone who gets ill, injured or dies is going to be on the contractor's insurance or legal liability. I have to wonder if these small contractors know this?
    by lillymunster 6/17/2011 7:39:31 PM

  • @lillymunster Dispickable furjough tactics by TEPO..anything to avoid direct responsibility.
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    by Veenie 6/17/2011 7:47:09 PM

  • @elainekirk What do you mean, "this wasn't an extraordinary natural disaster"? A 9.0 earthquake followed by a massive tsunami must prefigure "a grave natural disaster of an exceptional character". If not, what is? A 2-mile-wide asteroid falling on top of a NPP? Anyway, I seriously doubt any decision has been made since this is a case for the courts to decide, not the Government.
    by Pedro Jesus 6/17/2011 7:47:52 PM

  • From France (with google translate): A lot of green tea from Japan that contains twice as much cesium as the maximum permissible level was intercepted at the airport of Roissy in Paris, and must be destroyed, announced Friday, June 17, the direction of consumption (DGCCRF ) in a statement.

    This is a lot of 162 kg of dried leaves from Shizuoka Prefecture (Central).
    This is the first time that radioactive products are detected in France as part of the controls put in place following the accident in Fukushima.

    Laboratory testing revealed contamination with cesium in 1038 Bq / kg, exceeding the maximum permissible level set at European level, which is 500 Bq / kg for this type of product, says the DGCCRF.

    The product has been quarantined and will be subject to destruction by a specialist.
    DGCCRF decided to "establish a systematic monitoring of all plants from the same Japanese prefecture" and "will enter the European Commission to add the prefecture of Shizuoka prefecture to the list for which EU rules impose a control systematically from Japan. "
    by Olivier 6/17/2011 7:48:36 PM

  • I reasd this AM, that Food shipment was halted due to Cesium 4x level in two types of fish..did that make the rounds yet?
    by Veenie 6/17/2011 7:50:44 PM

  • Also from France: The Minister for Industry, Eric Besson, seems to have lost his nerve when recording the issuance of Capital M6 entitled "Living and eating green: the new scramble for green solutions." According to Le Figaro, the minister invited to speak on the issue of nuclear power in France, left the board after ten minutes, when was released the testimony of a former subcontractor for the safety in nuclear power plants.
    "The minister got up. He removed his microphone and threw it on the table and said: 'Come on, I leave you. I'm out. ****". Guy Lagache When asked what he was doing, the minister replied: "I bar". (sorry but google translate doesnot know all the french insults). In french with the video: bigbrowser.blog.lemonde.fr
    by Olivier 6/17/2011 7:54:07 PM

  • @Veenie first I have heard
    by lillymunster 6/17/2011 7:55:38 PM

  • IAEA: Japan did not heed global standards, recommendations

    Jun 17, 2011, 18:49 GMT

    Vienna - Japan did not implement several nuclear safety principles and recommendations of the International Atomic Energy Agency, according to an IAEA report drawn up by international experts.

    The full report that was obtained by the German Press Agency dpa Friday exposes further how Japan's authorities fell short in preparing for nuclear accidents such as the one in Fukushima, following the previously publicized summary of the document.

    For example, the experts described how the IAEA's fundamental principle of building several layers of defences against outside threats had not been adequately applied.

    Although measures to protect against tsunamis were stepped up after 2002, they were insufficient, the report said.

    'Moreover, those additional protective measures were not reviewed and approved by the regulatory authority,' it said.

    'Severe accident management provisions were not adequate to cope with multiple plant failures,' the experts said in the report that was based on their visit in late May to Fukushima, where several of the reactors still have not been brought under control.

    The IAEA-appointed independent experts also faulted Japanese authorities for instructing people in the vicinity of the Fukushima power plant to stay indoors, which they said was not in keeping with international norms.

    The report also made clear that the Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency still lacks independence and that there is some overlap with another body, the Nuclear Safety Commission, even though the IAEA already pointed out these problems in 2007.

    Japan handled the nuclear disaster well, given the circumstances, the report said. 'Nevertheless the system of nuclear emergency preparedness appears to be complicated in its structure and organization,' it said.
    by Veenie 6/17/2011 7:56:38 PM

  • The Daily Yomiuri
    Shipments of 2 species of fish from a river in Fukushima Prefecture have been halted due to radioactive cesium more than 4x legal limits.
    by Veenie 6/17/2011 8:02:04 PM

  • @veenie great find I have two other docs the iaea released I posted a few hrs ago i will go find them
    by elainekirk 6/17/2011 8:02:47 PM

  • 2 IAEA Fukushima docs have been de-restricted

    IAEA Activities in Response to the
    Fukushima Accident
    www.iaea.org


    Technical cooperation project in support of a
    marine benchmark study on the possible impact
    of the Fukushima radioactive releases in the
    Asia-Pacific Region
    www.iaea.org
    by elainekirk 6/17/2011 8:04:33 PM

  • I think that the IAEA articles are a warning shot for the GE statenment
    by Veenie 6/17/2011 8:10:51 PM

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