Japan Earthquake

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by radioguy 6/22/2011 5:33:34 PM

@Edano , yes. One should think in simple terms: a pinhole-collimated sodium iodide detector array mounted on a cherry picker truck that is driven around the building, take measurements at predetermined elevations and angles. Taking the absorption of the concrete and distance to rpv into account, they could develop a good idea where corium is.
by Peter Melzer 6/22/2011 5:33:43 PM

@Edano @Peter Melzer The question I always stick on is: is it realistic to think they haven't done any of this already? Probably another month or two before they deeply regret withholding the results of these explorations.
by radioguy 6/22/2011 5:36:15 PM

@Edano , I am a neuroanatomist by education. I used to work with such things earlier in my professional life. Though technology advanced a little, but not that much,;)
by Peter Melzer 6/22/2011 5:36:39 PM

Fort Calhoun had a foot-deep pool next to the reactor for spent fuel rods. The pool was so full in 2009 that they were sealing the fuel rods up in dry casks and sticking them in an on-site ‘mausoleum’.

This, of course, is why there is a no-fly zone around the plant — someone might realize that wherever the fuel casks and underground fuel pools are, they are NOT inside the condom. hawaiinewsdaily.com
by Majj 6/22/2011 5:37:21 PM

by Majj via Files.hawaiinewsdaily.s3.amazonaws 6/22/2011 5:37:55 PM

@Peter Melzer then you are the right one to make that patent :)
by Edano 6/22/2011 5:38:03 PM

@radioguy NPPD website still claims 2ft to go. Need to see if USGS or NWS has river gauge data updated to get a new reading.
by lillymunster 6/22/2011 5:38:04 PM

@nancy not looking good:(
by Elaine Kirk 6/22/2011 5:39:11 PM

@Majj This is so factually incorrect it boggles the mind. Underground fuel pools outside the plant? "and underground fuel pools are, they are NOT inside the condom. " Burnett has no clue what he is talking about.
by lillymunster 6/22/2011 5:39:14 PM

The thing that alwasy stuns me when I look at pictures like that is that the white tank there at the bottom is ON the banks of the river. Wow, that looks like a safe separation from one of your biggest potential hazards, hmm?
by radioguy 6/22/2011 5:40:03 PM

This one gets funny of the week though "Fort Calhoun had a foot-deep pool next to the reactor for spent fuel rods."
by lillymunster 6/22/2011 5:40:10 PM

@radioguy The set up they have is really dicey. People should not have to be on the edge of their seat for months hoping some big rubber bladder and some sand bags hold up. :-(
by lillymunster 6/22/2011 5:41:15 PM

@radioguy , I think they do a lot more than they lead us to believe. For example, I am certain they possess a precise idea of the source term for example. I also remember that nuclear engineers in the US used models of reactors and reactor parts to simulate the goings-on in the TMI reactor. I bet that dozens of engineers in Japan sweat over such models now to figure out what exactly is going on and what the best next step should be, at least I hope so.
by Peter Melzer 6/22/2011 5:41:34 PM

@Peter Melzer if tepco is willing to pay them ....
by Edano 6/22/2011 5:43:02 PM

how about this for consideration, transport the contents of the reactors to the upper ionosphere with precision nuclear bombing?
by dean 6/22/2011 5:44:56 PM

@dean good american idea. problem is, how to place the bomb below the reactors.
by Edano 6/22/2011 5:48:40 PM

@lillymunster aa foot deep heh cloud cuckoo land resident no doubt out to line his pocket?
by Elaine Kirk 6/22/2011 5:48:52 PM

@Edano , I assume that they do. If anything what we see is a fundamental failure of human organization. This tepco enterprise seems driven by group think which also permeates NISA and METI and other goj organizations in relationship with the industry. It looks like most decision makers went to same engineering school in Tokyo. They are taught by the guys who started the push into nuclear in the 50s and 60s. Over two to three generations, they were taught that the reactors were safe. Don't think that it is simple for them to concede defeat, even now.
by Peter Melzer 6/22/2011 5:50:11 PM

@dean The proposal for dumping nuclear fuel in space has been dropped by the scientific community due to the risk of an accident on take off. The space program record is too tainted with take off accidents to make it any safe to launch nuclear fuel in big quantities. The most they risk is very little quantities to power space probes. Also you can't detonate the nuclear fuel out in space because it is very hard to predict where the debris would fly to... we rely too much on satellites, we don't need more space debris up
there.
by Pedro Jesus 6/22/2011 5:51:45 PM

@Elaine Kirk I keep pointing out what a fraud this is and example after example of where he has things massively wrong, has no clue what he is talking about or is outright making things up.
Yet people keep posting his articles all over the place.
Someone who knows him who has contacted me about Fuku related things forwarded me that article yesterday with Burnett as a CC. I pointed out the first couple of obviously wrong statements and pointed out that OPPD has a consumer document easily found with a google search that explains exactly where everything and what it does at Calhoun. This guy has no interest in facts. He's just peddling panic.
by lillymunster 6/22/2011 5:52:47 PM

@Pedro Jesus : there is a global convention that prohibits space disposal.
by Edano 6/22/2011 5:53:17 PM

@lillymunster , I got the map working and as much as I can see the soccer field is about 30 meters, perhaps 100 feet, above sea level. In my mind that must be high enough for two tiers of ponds.
by Peter Melzer 6/22/2011 5:54:37 PM

@Peter Melzer Good point. I'm 37 and I grew up with the idea of nuclear power being a safe and clean solution. That's what I was taught in school and that's what they've been teaching at the universities around the world, even after the TMI and Chernobyl accidents. I think it's time to make a shift. I hope the Fukushima-Daiichi accident will be enough to prompt such a shift.
by Pedro Jesus 6/22/2011 5:55:11 PM

@Peter Melzer i agree. nuke power is dinosaur technology.
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by Edano edited by Edano 6/22/2011 5:56:10 PM

time for lunch.. will return . nice exchange..
by dean 6/22/2011 5:58:38 PM

@Edano With any luck that realization didn't come a bit too late... again.
by radioguy 6/22/2011 5:58:44 PM

@Edano It was drafted back in the time when some countries were considering the pros and cons of dumping nuclear waste out in space. I'm glad the world decided against it or we likely wouldn't be here now.
by Pedro Jesus 6/22/2011 5:58:48 PM

@Pedro Jesus @Edano, I deeply hope this will be a game changer. The more we uncover evidence that Fukushima was not just a tragic accident, but the consequence of human folly in planning and human failure in execution the better.
by Peter Melzer 6/22/2011 5:59:15 PM

Well, it's that time to pray for these poor people
TWC Breaking
Sirens now sounding in #Minot. Residents in evac. zones need to leave now! #flood
by Veenie 6/22/2011 5:59:22 PM

@veenie thanks for the heads up
by Elaine Kirk 6/22/2011 6:00:22 PM

@Pedro Jesus , think how many satellite launches fail. Just imagine if such launch would fail!
by Peter Melzer 6/22/2011 6:01:04 PM

well, shipping it right into the sun could still be a good idea.
by Edano 6/22/2011 6:02:57 PM

@Peter Melzer Ouch! Scary thoughts.
by Pedro Jesus 6/22/2011 6:03:08 PM

Minot officials had ordered a mandatory evacuation for up to 12,000 residents of the city, North Dakota's fourth largest, by 6 p.m. on Wednesday, but rising river waters were expected to top some levees by late morning.
"It's imminent," Dean Lenertz, a Minot Fire Department captain and spokesman, said of the sounding of emergency sirens to start the evacuation. www.postchronicle.com
by Elaine Kirk 6/22/2011 6:04:19 PM

Sorry I can't resist posting it :If the Titanic sank today, here's how the President, the media and Wall Street would spin it (satire)
(NaturalNews) What would all the world's experts and authorities say today if the Titanic were sinking but nobody was willing to admit it? The U.S. economy, after all, is sinking and taking on an unprecedented volume of water (i.e. debt), yet virtually no one is willing to admit the obvious fact that this ship is sinking. And much like with the Titanic, most "experts" continue to claim the U.S. economy is unsinkable, despite the obvious evidence that we might want to start heading for the life rafts.

So in the spirit of comedy -- which is, after all, what we are witnessing in Washington these days -- imagine The Titanic hitting an iceberg in 2011, followed by a string of experts all trying to spin the story their own way. Here's what they might say:

The White House Press Secretary: The iceberg was placed in the Atlantic ocean by Osama Bin Laden.

The chemist: That's not an iceberg. It's merely solid-state di-hydrogen oxide.

Al Gore: That iceberg wouldn't have even been there if the polar caps weren't melting.

The Congressman: Quick, let's pass a new law that says ships shall not sink.

President Obama: The Titanic isn't sinking. It's merely engaged in "aquatic action."

Former President Bush: Icebergs are weapons of mass destruction planted in the ocean by terrorists. We must avenge the iceberg terrorists!

The Pentagon: We will equalize the hole in one side of the ship by blowing a matching hole in the other side.

The TSA inspector: You're not allowed onto a lifeboat until we check your anus for explosives.

The Cancer Doctor: We can't fix the hole in the ship, but through the miracle of chemotherapy, we can make you suffer so much that you won't care.

The Wall Street investment banker: Don't worry, the Fed will bail out all the water we're taking on. The Titanic is too big to fail.

The teenage girl: Can I still text on my iPhone under water?

Congressman Weiner: Yes you can, and by the way, here's a very special "going away" message for you to remember me by.

Average Joe: Is the ship's buffet still open?

The FDA: We believe the ship is sinking because of an e.coli infection that spread from the galley.

The CDC: Everybody should get vaccinated before the ship sinks, just in case there's a shark-flu virus in the water.

The New Ager: There is no hole in the ship unless you believe there is a hole in the ship.

The Academic: I have published a paper that proves this ship is unsinkable. Would anyone like to read it? Please?

The Catholic priest: I think we should save all the children first. Which lifeboat are they on again?

The Journalist: The Titanic has a hole in its side, but official sources tell us it's only "aquatic action" and there's no cause for alarm. And we believe them.

The Federal Reserve: We have decided to dump more water onto the ship in the hope of making it float.

The Federal Government: Hey, these deck chairs look pretty nice. Let's rearrange them!

The Doctor: We need to order a couple dozen CT scans of the ship's null and bill them to Medicare before we have any idea at all what to do.

The Denialist: Stop talking about negative things. Stay focused on the positive and you won't need a life vest.

The Realist: This ship is going down, folks. You might want to think about taking action to keep yourself alive.

The Gullible Masses: Don't worry, this ship is unsinkable.

Even if it did sink, there are plenty of lifeboats.

Even if there aren't enough lifeboats, we all have life jackets.

Even if we don't have enough life jackets, the government will come save us.
by Majj 6/22/2011 6:04:23 PM

I don't know what the flood levels have been like up in Minot but they made the evacuation this morning pretty urgent.

@Majj - LOL :-)
by lillymunster 6/22/2011 6:05:04 PM

For those interested, LIVE coverage
www.msnbc.msn.com
by Veenie 6/22/2011 6:07:36 PM

@Majj the japanese gov speaker: the sinking does not pose an immediate threat to human health.
by Edano 6/22/2011 6:08:29 PM

@Edano Lol
by Majj 6/22/2011 6:09:11 PM

@Edano LOL
by Pedro Jesus 6/22/2011 6:15:22 PM

Whereabouts of 30 nuclear power plant subcontractors unknown: Health Ministry. The whereabouts of about 30 subcontractors who helped deal with the crisis at the crippled Fukushima No. 1 Nuclear Power Plant is unknown, the Ministry of Health, Labor and Welfare said on June 20. mdn.mainichi.jp
by Majj 6/22/2011 6:23:39 PM

They lied to us”: Radiation release comparable to Chernobyl — Total core meltdown in all 3 reactors — Worst industrial catastrophe in world history (CNN VIDEO). He says it will take 50-100 years to clean it up, clean up hasn't even started yet. dcoda.amplify.com
by Majj 6/22/2011 6:46:50 PM

@Majj Not wanting to defy Kaku's evaluation (I don't even have the credentials), I still believe (or hope) that AREVA's estimate of 10 years is more in accord with our current understanding of the Fukushima-Daiichi situation.
by Pedro Jesus 6/22/2011 7:00:08 PM