Japan Earthquake

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@nls ah, okay :) what's on in holland towards nukes ?
by Edano 6/23/2011 8:55:34 PM

@Edano we have one running, and some want it closed but the government wants another one built. They just keep very quiet about it these days.
by nls 6/23/2011 8:59:23 PM

@Edano and dutch economy is greased by shell oil, and they think nuclear is a good idea.
by nls 6/23/2011 9:02:46 PM

Did a web site stats check today. SimplyInfo had about 700 views on 6-15 and is averaging over 500 a day. We seem to get peaks when something of interest happens or we get mentioned somewhere. I checked globally (that grabs the group website and my photo site together) about half of the sites that send people to either web site are from Japan. So that interest from in Japan is certainly there.
by lillymunster 6/23/2011 9:04:33 PM

@nls : i can imagine, shell rules holland.
by Edano 6/23/2011 9:04:46 PM

@All, Especially Elaine! Great work finding that fissure to bad ole unit 1! I know you thought I was beating a dead horse on that, and on unit 1 (which I do believe is chugging, or something like that). I'm up to my a@@ in alligators on the home front. But please keep an eye on unit 5 and 6 basement water. If they admit it continues to rise, look for more fissures, as they have 'plugged up all the leaking service pipes and tunnels'. Also, look at the graph on #6'pics\unit6spftempjun232011.png[/IMG]
by marierich via I1207.photobucket 6/23/2011 9:05:52 PM

this pic is in the report to the goj from tepco
by elainekirk 6/23/2011 9:14:57 PM

but this one a few seconds later isnt www.kantei.go.jp if the defences had been better built..
by elainekirk 6/23/2011 9:16:28 PM

@marierich Wow good find. 6's SFP should not have a reason to fluctuate. That is supposedly all fine and running on normal systems.
by lillymunster 6/23/2011 9:20:52 PM

5&6 are fluctuating because they dont have the power so they share cool one cool the other cool one cool the other cool....
by elainekirk 6/23/2011 9:22:33 PM

@marierich marie you were here at the begining do you remember what dean said about #6 when i found that plutonium
by elainekirk 6/23/2011 9:25:39 PM

by marierich via I1207.photobucket 6/23/2011 9:27:03 PM

@elainekirk I'm sorry Elaine, Refresh my old brain?
by marierich 6/23/2011 9:27:57 PM

@elainekirk in that second picture the seawall is completely destroyed
But imo no seawall would have stopped this - the plant should have been built 20 m higher
(or better still, not at all)
by nls 6/23/2011 9:29:15 PM

spreadsheets.google.com
Here's a sheet with both. You can see them beating against each other. The big spike was before they changed out that cooling pump.
by RadioGuy 6/23/2011 9:29:23 PM

it's a chart.
by RadioGuy 6/23/2011 9:29:33 PM

@marie there were oddities being noticed things didnt add up wasnt it supposed to be in shut down or something and the temps didnt match ACH I just know that dean said that #6 could theoretically and only assumptively be used for producing ach I dunno
by elainekirk 6/23/2011 9:30:50 PM

@elainekirk As you know by now- I'm no scientist! LOL But sometimes things ring a bell. I don't like that they have stopped referencing the water in 5/6 basements, after talking about it about ten days ago. When tepco goes mute, it scares me. @radioguy I defer to your greater familiarity . And, btw, I posted your excellent work on my fb page. I am proud to have watched you all work.
by marierich 6/23/2011 9:41:07 PM

@marierich Oh, don't get me wrong. I've been suspicious of the lack of attention to 5 & 6 all along, so when the pump was going ans we were looking, our reaction was the same as yours. I can't remember who found the bit about the shared cooling, but it panned out and fits the data.
by RadioGuy 6/23/2011 9:52:25 PM

OK last one then I will be quiet the inflowed water is at what is/was banking I don't understand can anyone explain pls www.tepco.co.jp
by elainekirk 6/23/2011 9:52:54 PM

@marierich R6 is the only BWR-5 on the site, and higher wattage, hence the higher idling temperature.
by RadioGuy 6/23/2011 9:53:55 PM

Something I wonder about in that document: R4,5 & 6 listed as down for Periodic Inspection. We know R4 was a ctually for shroud replacement, so these are not precise documents, but look at R5 and 6. Cold shutdown since March 20th???
by RadioGuy 6/23/2011 9:58:34 PM

@RadioGuy interesting.
by Elaine Kirk 6/23/2011 9:59:50 PM

Unit 5 is full loaded with fuel, and was under pressure test during earthquake
by xxx 6/23/2011 10:06:35 PM

@xxx thank you :)
by elainekirk 6/23/2011 10:07:04 PM

would that fracture explain the constant gunk spraying on the front of #1 if there is radiation seeping up through the gap twixt building and ground?
by Elaine Kirk 6/23/2011 10:15:07 PM

From Chapter 4, pp 31 of TEPCO's report to the Japanese Govt [ www.kantei.go.jp ]:
Unit 5 reactor: Undergoing a periodic inspection (disconnection from the grid on January 2, 2011; RPV pressure tests under way; and the RPV head put in place)
Unit 6 reactor: Undergoing a periodic inspection (disconnection from the grid on August 13, 2010 and the RPV head put in place)
by es 6/23/2011 10:26:56 PM

The same chapter in that report (p.102) also informs us that in Unit 6, "The spent fuel pool and the reactor were alternately cooled by switching the RHR system interchangeably" (Note: RHR=Residual Heat Remover).
by es 6/23/2011 10:30:17 PM

@es they have only 1 of 6 cooling systems working, so they switch it.
by Edano 6/23/2011 10:32:34 PM

@es do we know what fuel is in 5 & 6 reactors
by Elaine Kirk 6/23/2011 10:33:00 PM

@Elaine Kirk I haven't seen anything on that, just the numbers of assemblies. Unit 5 SFP does have 48 new fuel rods stored there though, and Unit 6 SFP has 64 new ones.
by es 6/23/2011 10:36:22 PM

@Edano Yes, the cooling seems to be switched between the Unit 6 reactor and Unit 6 SFP. I haven't found anything suggesting that power is being switched between #5 and #6.
by es 6/23/2011 10:42:31 PM

The 'fissure' image looks like it's made with some aerial/mobile version of a Leica-Geosystems Scanstation...
Webpage - www.leica-geosystems.us
Image - hds.leica-geosystems.com
by Rob in SF via Hds.leica-geosystems 6/23/2011 10:46:18 PM

@es helpful ? www.nisa.meti.go.jp
by Edano 6/23/2011 10:52:21 PM

Thanks Edano.
by es 6/23/2011 10:55:34 PM

i don't know if this is useful, it is the unit 1 earthquake log. maybe anyone can read it. upload.wikimedia.org
by Edano via Upload.wikimedia.org 6/23/2011 10:58:15 PM

Week 24 of the CDC death figures have come in. Deaths in 16 US Pacific coast cities were studied.
1,745 more people died in these cities since Fukushima than in the corresponding period in 2010. This is an increase of 7.7%, and is statistically significant.
But deaths from pneumonia and influenza had also increased over last year, even before Fuku. I made an ultraconservative assumption that Fuku had no part in deaths from these diseases.
1,537 more people died who did not have these diseases. This is only marginally significant.
The increase in death rate attributable to Fuku is 5.2%. 1,068 deaths are attributable to Fuku in these cities.
by Bobby1 6/23/2011 11:06:57 PM

@Edano Thanks again. Well I'm guessing the red text is the bad stuff. Did the reactor water level drop almost 3m in that first minute (C004)? I wonder what the control rod entry means. What sense do you make of it, if any?
by es 6/23/2011 11:17:39 PM

Actions taken for the cracks on hafnium control rods of Unit-6 www2.jnes.go.jp
by Elaine Kirk 6/23/2011 11:20:31 PM

back for awhile...
by dean 6/23/2011 11:21:26 PM

@Dean, if you have a few minutes check out that report from 1 Edano just posted. What would that overflow on the control rod system mean? Looked concerning. If I am reading that right did the water level drop to around 500 rather than being at an 800 level?
by lillymunster 6/23/2011 11:22:53 PM

@dean can you figure out the #1 earthquake log below ? what do the entries mean ? water level dropped in the second minute after quake ?
by Edano 6/23/2011 11:23:21 PM